The street racing legislation is illegal.
09-15-2008 | 06:45 PM
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The street racing legislation is illegal.
THE BOOK IS - ABUSE OF POWER
Despite the fact that I wrote the book, I think all those people who have bought and read the book so far will agree that it's an awesome book and that you guys need it.
I did a book signing at Coles in Scarborough Town Centre last weekend and from there the book is kind of taking on a life of its own. We all need this book to take on a life of its own because the book has the power to change the law for the better. But you guys need to read it to see how and why.
The other people who need to see the book are the MPPs of course and in due time that'll happen.
The Ontario government broke the law to enact the law.
They did not follow all the steps required to make the law official so the law is not really a law. That would be Section 172 of the Highway Traffic Act.
In creating this law the government did quite a number of unsavoury and illegal things.
The obvious one of course was denying the right to remain innocent until proven guilty. That is a right guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
It is legal for a province to set aside a guaranteed right. But it has to be done in a certain way to be legal and it is not easy to do. In fact, since the Charter came into force in 1982, it has only been done twice.
The province did not fulfill its obligations under the terms of the clause.
That of course can be disputed in court and at some point it will be.
However, to bring the legislation to a vote, my belief is that the Ontario Legislature was given inaccurate, incomplete information in a deceptive manner. In other words the law was enacted fraudulently and Ontario MPPs were duped.
In addition, when the police started seizing cars and extorting money, they initially used the Civil Remedies Act. Since that is federal legislation, they had no authority to change the wording of the Act. It had to be used the way it was.
None of the incidents where the cars were seized met the conditions of that Act. Therefore I believe the cars were stolen by the police and monies extorted illegally. That is almost certainly why the Civil Remedies Act was set aside and the amendments to Section 172 were rushed into law. It was a panic situation driven by the enormous liability that would ensue should any of the defendants realize that their own government had committed major criminal code offences against them. But since they followed that mistake with others, the government's potential liability has grown rather than shrunk.
In addition, to create the street racing legislation, new meanings were invented for the words racing and stunt.
These new meanings were used to entrap the general public. The intent was not to catch real street racers. Entrapment is illegal. It's generally used as a defence against police drug busts and usually unsuccessful. But this is a case where the police are entrapping the general public using misleading, deceptive and vague terminology.
That is bad enough. But by using this dirty trick, the government set a precedent where it can arbitrarily change the meanings of words and thus the intent of all Ontario legislation can be altered at will without public support by using fictitious support material that bears no relationship to the facts.
That means the street racing legislation destablizes all of Ontario's legislation. We have lost nearly one thousand years of legislative progress without a whimper. You are now guilty until proven guilty.
Regardless of the court verdict and due to the roadside penalties, every person stopped pays a heavy price regardless of innocence.
This law is the yellow brick road to racial discrimination on a grand scale.
You do not even have to be charged to lose your car, your license and a huge pile of money. If the cop doesn't like you, you are done with no recourse.
You have to wonder what is going on when the towing industry is known to have been infiltrated by organized crime and the police are tightly tied to them in a variety of ways that spell huge profits for towing companies. The opportunities for something, something are pretty obvious.
You can PM me if you want a copy of my book on the subject so you can see how to defend against your own government which in my opinion has evolved into an organized criminal gang.
This is happening folks. It's real and it's wrong.
You guys may not have seen your selves as defenders of the democratic process, but now you're on the front lines and your cars and your financial futures are on the line too.
While you may say that you are not going to break this law, the chances of that are near zero, the law is that broad. You can be nailed for suspicion. You don't have to be moving even. You fight this or eventually you may be kissing your cars goodbye.
Don't think for a moment that the police have to charge you with an actual offence that's on the books. They frequently dream up charges that don't exist. It's up to you to defend yourselves. It costs a lot of money to defend.
When you are done, unless you are well off, you will have to sell your vehicle to pay your legal expenses - even if you won
Despite the fact that I wrote the book, I think all those people who have bought and read the book so far will agree that it's an awesome book and that you guys need it.
I did a book signing at Coles in Scarborough Town Centre last weekend and from there the book is kind of taking on a life of its own. We all need this book to take on a life of its own because the book has the power to change the law for the better. But you guys need to read it to see how and why.
The other people who need to see the book are the MPPs of course and in due time that'll happen.
The Ontario government broke the law to enact the law.
They did not follow all the steps required to make the law official so the law is not really a law. That would be Section 172 of the Highway Traffic Act.
In creating this law the government did quite a number of unsavoury and illegal things.
The obvious one of course was denying the right to remain innocent until proven guilty. That is a right guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
It is legal for a province to set aside a guaranteed right. But it has to be done in a certain way to be legal and it is not easy to do. In fact, since the Charter came into force in 1982, it has only been done twice.
The province did not fulfill its obligations under the terms of the clause.
That of course can be disputed in court and at some point it will be.
However, to bring the legislation to a vote, my belief is that the Ontario Legislature was given inaccurate, incomplete information in a deceptive manner. In other words the law was enacted fraudulently and Ontario MPPs were duped.
In addition, when the police started seizing cars and extorting money, they initially used the Civil Remedies Act. Since that is federal legislation, they had no authority to change the wording of the Act. It had to be used the way it was.
None of the incidents where the cars were seized met the conditions of that Act. Therefore I believe the cars were stolen by the police and monies extorted illegally. That is almost certainly why the Civil Remedies Act was set aside and the amendments to Section 172 were rushed into law. It was a panic situation driven by the enormous liability that would ensue should any of the defendants realize that their own government had committed major criminal code offences against them. But since they followed that mistake with others, the government's potential liability has grown rather than shrunk.
In addition, to create the street racing legislation, new meanings were invented for the words racing and stunt.
These new meanings were used to entrap the general public. The intent was not to catch real street racers. Entrapment is illegal. It's generally used as a defence against police drug busts and usually unsuccessful. But this is a case where the police are entrapping the general public using misleading, deceptive and vague terminology.
That is bad enough. But by using this dirty trick, the government set a precedent where it can arbitrarily change the meanings of words and thus the intent of all Ontario legislation can be altered at will without public support by using fictitious support material that bears no relationship to the facts.
That means the street racing legislation destablizes all of Ontario's legislation. We have lost nearly one thousand years of legislative progress without a whimper. You are now guilty until proven guilty.
Regardless of the court verdict and due to the roadside penalties, every person stopped pays a heavy price regardless of innocence.
This law is the yellow brick road to racial discrimination on a grand scale.
You do not even have to be charged to lose your car, your license and a huge pile of money. If the cop doesn't like you, you are done with no recourse.
You have to wonder what is going on when the towing industry is known to have been infiltrated by organized crime and the police are tightly tied to them in a variety of ways that spell huge profits for towing companies. The opportunities for something, something are pretty obvious.
You can PM me if you want a copy of my book on the subject so you can see how to defend against your own government which in my opinion has evolved into an organized criminal gang.
This is happening folks. It's real and it's wrong.
You guys may not have seen your selves as defenders of the democratic process, but now you're on the front lines and your cars and your financial futures are on the line too.
While you may say that you are not going to break this law, the chances of that are near zero, the law is that broad. You can be nailed for suspicion. You don't have to be moving even. You fight this or eventually you may be kissing your cars goodbye.
Don't think for a moment that the police have to charge you with an actual offence that's on the books. They frequently dream up charges that don't exist. It's up to you to defend yourselves. It costs a lot of money to defend.
When you are done, unless you are well off, you will have to sell your vehicle to pay your legal expenses - even if you won
09-16-2008 | 08:12 AM
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The only way I can see for this to be stopped is for the public to be educated about what has happened and the only way that will take place is if people like yourselves buy the book.
Yes people do beat the rap in court. But since the impoundment etc. has already happened, as far as the police are concerned, they have a 100% conviction rate.
Yes people do beat the rap in court. But since the impoundment etc. has already happened, as far as the police are concerned, they have a 100% conviction rate.
09-16-2008 | 12:58 PM
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Rep Power: 731 The only way I can see for this to be stopped is for the public to be educated about what has happened and the only way that will take place is if people like yourselves buy the book.
Yes people do beat the rap in court. But since the impoundment etc. has already happened, as far as the police are concerned, they have a 100% conviction rate.
Yes people do beat the rap in court. But since the impoundment etc. has already happened, as far as the police are concerned, they have a 100% conviction rate.
The general public that think this law is justified are the ones that need to be educated on the subject that this law is a violation of out charter of rights and freedoms.
You should be informing the media of this book. They may have been part of the problem on this law, but they love controversial topics.
09-16-2008 | 01:13 PM
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The media will be involved. In fact the media is already involved. A couple of us have been interviewed for a Global TV show - One Year Later.
But the best people to inform the public are car enthusiasts. We are all being targeted. Do you roll over and hope someone else carries your load or do you do your share?
The only way this law is going to be changed is when as you said, the general public understands what happened. This is an opportunity for car guys to show they are not the bad guys they have been made out to be. The book gives you all the ammunition you need to make our case.
This is your opportunity to step up and be counted. It's your opportunity to become a real member of the community and participate on an issue you care deeply about. If this issue doesn't move car guys to participate, then they deserve whatever they get.
You buy the book, read it and then contact your MPP. Either by phone, e-mail or snail mail. It all counts. It's all public pressure. Public pressure is what motivates politicians to change bad laws. They don't like that kind of pressure and will generally do what it takes to be seen on the right side of controversial issues. Once this issue starts to unravel, I promise you things will happen. But not if everyone doesn't get on it and make it happen.
The thing is though, you won't be able to talk intelligently without the book unless you do the months of thinking and research I did.
Trust me, this is no get rich quick scheme. I did this over a period of eight months with no income of any sort. This book will never make up for that kind of commitment and sacrifice. It hasn't been fun and it's ugly now. But when you see something is wrong - totally wrong and you can fix it, that is your duty. I've done mine. I'm still doing mine. I hope you will help me help you all.
And no, I was not charged with any offence under this act.
But the best people to inform the public are car enthusiasts. We are all being targeted. Do you roll over and hope someone else carries your load or do you do your share?
The only way this law is going to be changed is when as you said, the general public understands what happened. This is an opportunity for car guys to show they are not the bad guys they have been made out to be. The book gives you all the ammunition you need to make our case.
This is your opportunity to step up and be counted. It's your opportunity to become a real member of the community and participate on an issue you care deeply about. If this issue doesn't move car guys to participate, then they deserve whatever they get.
You buy the book, read it and then contact your MPP. Either by phone, e-mail or snail mail. It all counts. It's all public pressure. Public pressure is what motivates politicians to change bad laws. They don't like that kind of pressure and will generally do what it takes to be seen on the right side of controversial issues. Once this issue starts to unravel, I promise you things will happen. But not if everyone doesn't get on it and make it happen.
The thing is though, you won't be able to talk intelligently without the book unless you do the months of thinking and research I did.
Trust me, this is no get rich quick scheme. I did this over a period of eight months with no income of any sort. This book will never make up for that kind of commitment and sacrifice. It hasn't been fun and it's ugly now. But when you see something is wrong - totally wrong and you can fix it, that is your duty. I've done mine. I'm still doing mine. I hope you will help me help you all.
And no, I was not charged with any offence under this act.
09-18-2008 | 01:18 PM
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Rep Power: 731 The media will be involved. In fact the media is already involved. A couple of us have been interviewed for a Global TV show - One Year Later.
But the best people to inform the public are car enthusiasts. We are all being targeted. Do you roll over and hope someone else carries your load or do you do your share?
The only way this law is going to be changed is when as you said, the general public understands what happened. This is an opportunity for car guys to show they are not the bad guys they have been made out to be. The book gives you all the ammunition you need to make our case.
This is your opportunity to step up and be counted. It's your opportunity to become a real member of the community and participate on an issue you care deeply about. If this issue doesn't move car guys to participate, then they deserve whatever they get.
You buy the book, read it and then contact your MPP. Either by phone, e-mail or snail mail. It all counts. It's all public pressure. Public pressure is what motivates politicians to change bad laws. They don't like that kind of pressure and will generally do what it takes to be seen on the right side of controversial issues. Once this issue starts to unravel, I promise you things will happen. But not if everyone doesn't get on it and make it happen.
The thing is though, you won't be able to talk intelligently without the book unless you do the months of thinking and research I did.
Trust me, this is no get rich quick scheme. I did this over a period of eight months with no income of any sort. This book will never make up for that kind of commitment and sacrifice. It hasn't been fun and it's ugly now. But when you see something is wrong - totally wrong and you can fix it, that is your duty. I've done mine. I'm still doing mine. I hope you will help me help you all.
And no, I was not charged with any offence under this act.
But the best people to inform the public are car enthusiasts. We are all being targeted. Do you roll over and hope someone else carries your load or do you do your share?
The only way this law is going to be changed is when as you said, the general public understands what happened. This is an opportunity for car guys to show they are not the bad guys they have been made out to be. The book gives you all the ammunition you need to make our case.
This is your opportunity to step up and be counted. It's your opportunity to become a real member of the community and participate on an issue you care deeply about. If this issue doesn't move car guys to participate, then they deserve whatever they get.
You buy the book, read it and then contact your MPP. Either by phone, e-mail or snail mail. It all counts. It's all public pressure. Public pressure is what motivates politicians to change bad laws. They don't like that kind of pressure and will generally do what it takes to be seen on the right side of controversial issues. Once this issue starts to unravel, I promise you things will happen. But not if everyone doesn't get on it and make it happen.
The thing is though, you won't be able to talk intelligently without the book unless you do the months of thinking and research I did.
Trust me, this is no get rich quick scheme. I did this over a period of eight months with no income of any sort. This book will never make up for that kind of commitment and sacrifice. It hasn't been fun and it's ugly now. But when you see something is wrong - totally wrong and you can fix it, that is your duty. I've done mine. I'm still doing mine. I hope you will help me help you all.
And no, I was not charged with any offence under this act.
You are preaching to the quire here.
You are also calling us stupid saying we can't talk intelligently with out your book. Thanks for that
Many car enthusiasts have written their MPs intelligently regarding this bill before and after it became law.
Got us nowhere so far.
Most of us know that this is a violation of our charter of rights and freedoms and most of us know that you don't have to be a street racer or going 50 km over to be charged under it.
Its the everyday driver that needs to be educated on this. Joe public that thinks the law is fine because street racing is illegal and you shouldn't be going 50 over.
Really you shouldn't be, but they think this is just a problem for street racers and a lot of them think that street racers cars should be taken away permanently.
Thats why I say get out in the media to promote your book and inform Joe public about it.
Telling car enthusiasts on a car based message forum might sell some books, and it may be helpful to some that have been charged under this law, but until Joe public gets an understanding of this law, it will remain a popular law in their eyes.
And if you really do have some good useful tips on what to write to our MPs that no one has thought of, then why not offer those tips for free?
I think its great that you wrote a book on it, and I may give it a read, but as I said, you are promoting it to the wrong people.
09-18-2008 | 02:47 PM
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Sorry, no offence. I do tend to get carried away which is how I came to write the book. I'll take your advice:
Right now I'm looking for candidates to be interviewed for an upcoming TV special on the subject. This special looks like it's going to take the street racer's side of the story or at least present it fairly. If you have been charged and feel you have been dealt with unfairly or illegally, please PM me.
Right now I'm looking for candidates to be interviewed for an upcoming TV special on the subject. This special looks like it's going to take the street racer's side of the story or at least present it fairly. If you have been charged and feel you have been dealt with unfairly or illegally, please PM me.
09-18-2008 | 04:49 PM
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I would suggest instead of interviewing a street racer, you interview people who have been charged with this law who were not street racing or going 50 over.
The guy in the garbage truck would be a good start.
There are many who have been charged and had their licence suspended and car impounded for what used to be considered a minor infraction and then had the charges dropped or reduced, but still had to pay the impound fees.
Let joe public know about those people.
Get the car enthusiasts side of things too. Guys who have been pulled over for merely driving a modified car down the street.
Be sure to interview some people that have been pulled over and charged for minor MTO and MOE infractions out side of the track where they were going to race legally.
You can get the "street racers" side of things too, but people will not listen to them with an open mind. Street racing is frowned on by the general public and street racers charged under this law will get no sympathy.
The guy in the garbage truck would be a good start.
There are many who have been charged and had their licence suspended and car impounded for what used to be considered a minor infraction and then had the charges dropped or reduced, but still had to pay the impound fees.
Let joe public know about those people.
Get the car enthusiasts side of things too. Guys who have been pulled over for merely driving a modified car down the street.
Be sure to interview some people that have been pulled over and charged for minor MTO and MOE infractions out side of the track where they were going to race legally.
You can get the "street racers" side of things too, but people will not listen to them with an open mind. Street racing is frowned on by the general public and street racers charged under this law will get no sympathy.
09-18-2008 | 05:17 PM
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So far that's been harder to do than you might think so far. I have one person who is willing to do it and he is no street racer. He was charged with stunt driving for changing lanes more often than the cop thought was "appropriate". Turned out he was targeting the driver.
There isn't a lot of time to get these people to come forward either.
People whose case hasn't yet been heard might be afraid of jeopardizing their cases and that's understandable.
But if anyone knows of people who have been charged and are willing the camera is ready to roll.
There isn't a lot of time to get these people to come forward either.
People whose case hasn't yet been heard might be afraid of jeopardizing their cases and that's understandable.
But if anyone knows of people who have been charged and are willing the camera is ready to roll.
09-19-2008 | 03:54 PM
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Rep Power: 731 So far that's been harder to do than you might think so far. I have one person who is willing to do it and he is no street racer. He was charged with stunt driving for changing lanes more often than the cop thought was "appropriate". Turned out he was targeting the driver.
There isn't a lot of time to get these people to come forward either.
People whose case hasn't yet been heard might be afraid of jeopardizing their cases and that's understandable.
But if anyone knows of people who have been charged and are willing the camera is ready to roll.
There isn't a lot of time to get these people to come forward either.
People whose case hasn't yet been heard might be afraid of jeopardizing their cases and that's understandable.
But if anyone knows of people who have been charged and are willing the camera is ready to roll.
Whats your time frame?
09-20-2008 | 10:06 PM
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It's good to know other people are out there ing the word. I thought I was alone I realized all this going down as soon as they passed the "stunting law". Wow I never thought to write a book I printed all the info off my computer(haven't needed it yet LOL).
09-21-2008 | 10:12 AM
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The book is only available by mail at the moment. You can e-mail me and I'll send you a form to fill out that you e-mail back. Then snail mail me a cheque or money order. My experience is that most people are honest.
The price is $25.00 - not the previously posted $20.00 I had to raise the price due to the book signing at Coles.
I'm going to see if I can do a book signing in Brampton and another in Barrie. In the next month. If it works out, I'll post it here.
The time frame for being on the up coming TV show - 'One Year Later' if you were charged with street racing is this Tuesday. E-mail me if you are interested. I've been told this program will air on October 1. At this point I don't know whether it's part of the news cast or a stand alone special. There's a lot of material been contributed so far but by the time the editors get done with it, the piece will of course be seriously trimmed down from the time it took to assemble the information.
The price is $25.00 - not the previously posted $20.00 I had to raise the price due to the book signing at Coles.
I'm going to see if I can do a book signing in Brampton and another in Barrie. In the next month. If it works out, I'll post it here.
The time frame for being on the up coming TV show - 'One Year Later' if you were charged with street racing is this Tuesday. E-mail me if you are interested. I've been told this program will air on October 1. At this point I don't know whether it's part of the news cast or a stand alone special. There's a lot of material been contributed so far but by the time the editors get done with it, the piece will of course be seriously trimmed down from the time it took to assemble the information.
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