^^ He's a fiilthy pig.. And they question why I have no respect for pigs... Because pigs like him deserve to have my foot shoved so far up his ass that he will have to get it sergically removed. I'm not taking from this Pig.. .No way man, fuk that ..

I have. I've seen the other too, but then again, I don't know whether they may be going to a call or not at the time. I also have no way of knowing if that call gets cancelled because another cruiser got there first, so I don't automatically think the worst if that blown red light is then followed up by a turn into the coffee shop a minute or two later.


So what if it is? The RIDE program is specifically designed to show the public that the police are serious about impaired driving. You do realize that RIDE programs pull in only a small percentage of all impaired driving arrests? The rest are nabbed by regular patrols, often when they pull someone over for rolling through a stop sign, or for speeding, or for aggressive driving. So why spend all that money on RIDE checkpoints pulling over almost 1/4 million cars in Toronto each year, yet only nailing a couple of hundred drivers?

RIDE programs are more about raising awareness than actually catching offenders. ERASE is also about raising awareness, awareness of unsafe driving, unsafe vehicle condition, and unsafe or illegal vehicle mods. ERASE is a direct response to a huge increase in complaints about aggressive driving behaviour, usually involving modified cars.

By the way, traffic enforcement consumed only 6% of the Toronto Police operating budget in 2004. Toronto spends more on community policing and foot patrols than on traffic enforcement.

Gee, another tough-talking keyboard keyboard warrior who has mommy and daddy bail him out when he screws up. Brings a smile to my face it does.

Yeah tahts wut i thought bitch, you are to to fuken tell me what divison you are, because you know i will show... So how bout you shut the fuk up you ass muther fuker.. Dont you have better things to do? Don't you have a husband to fuk in the ass? And learn how to re read your posts... You typed keyboard twice... Then again tis okay... You probably didn't even graduate from highschool, so your stupidity is a given. :loser:

That sounds about right for Toronto. It's outside the city in Durham and Peel regions and all the OPP territory that Traffic becomes a high priority. There doesn't seem to be anything else for them to do.

You need to relax man. How long do you think you'll last attacking a cop??? You need to grow up.

And then do what? Beat down the doors and take on a whole station full of cops?

Sure you will! Talk about the mouth that roared. :retard:

Maybe you should take a time out and go cry in your pillow. Your mommy will wash it out in the morning for you.

I will come over there and bitch the fuk outa you you piece of .. You are full of you donut eating sac of ... You are a disgrace to the police force man.. Im suprised you havent been shot yet... Oh wait, they only keep you on the desk jobs.

^^^^^^^^ Biggest retard on this boarddddddddd.

i cant believe ur still driving!!!!!!!!1

havent u blown ur hyundai up yet??? tard thats 17 and thinks he knows ....haaaaaaaaaaahahhahaha, ur HILARIOUS!!!!!

^^^You must be gldwngr's buddy. Welcome! Anything constructive to say???

YAY the boards infested with pigs..


As for the new pig.. What happened they took you off duty and shoved you behind the desk to help out ur fellow pig because your ticket quota wasnt met for last month?

neither have you. therefore your stupidity is also a given.

go away. you're not a tough guy.
you're not even a man.
hell you're too stupid to even keep up your end of an arguement with a halfway thoughtful sentence. all you can do is try to insult someone over the 'net. you're just like the idiots whose empty heads lead to them fighting instead of talking.


you can hate cops all you want, but i'd really pay to see you say all of that to a cops face.... hell i'd pay to see you say that to your mother's face. she'd probably kick your ass even worse.


anyways stop polluting this post with your useless drivel. start a new cop hater post if you want.

^^^ :appl:

Eh,

I was fine on this board, minding my own business and actually contributing to this thread and trying to help this guy out, before this cop start ripping on me for no fuken reason.. That pisses me off, a person ripping on me on a board... So if im a fuken idiot, then this cop is one 2... Hes aruging on the net and brought in a friend to help him out... Once he stops, im finished with this thread.

Be the bigger man and give it up first. You really look like an ass hat.

I haven't brought in anyone to help me out. That's just another figment of your misimagination.

There, hes stopped with is comments and now it looks like mine are stopping...

Well dude now back to your ticket... Sorry for kinda messing up your whole thread here, but yeah.... If you were summoned to court, its def not a trial at the begin... Im going to tell you go with xcopper... If they dont win, then well yeah they pay for everything... See what is like 500 bucks or more and it saves you a criminal record if they want to place something heavy on you.

You don't have any idea at all of what you're talking about.

He's being ordered to appear on a charge for speeding in excess of 50 kmph, for which there is no out-of-court set fine. The judge decides what he gets on conviction but even at that the most he faces is a fine of up to $9.75 for each km over the limit, plus court costs, plus victim surcharge, plus possible 1 year license suspension, plus 6 demerit points, plus whatever insurance surcharge will apply afterwards.

There is no "criminal record" to get, and in absence of an accident and ongoing investigation thereof, there is nothing "heavy" that they will add to this one over and above the speeding charge that has already been laid. If they were going to go heavy, the charges would already have been laid, either for careless (HTA) or dangerous (Criminal Code) driving.

If you don't know, don't make up fairy tales.

But hes not going to get ne charges on hurting people because he didnt... You cant just make that fine appear out of no where... Also I was talking about dangerous driving under the criminal code when i was referring to "heavy" charges.

Go back and read my post again. Get someone to help you this time.

I guess i didnt totally understand it.. Im sorry I guess it was a little complex for a 17 year old brain to comprehend during summer... Please don't start your remarks again.. But in this case, im going to come out ontop, and not retailate and be the bigger man in this case.

lol this is hilarious. I cant believe this thread actually made 17 pages lol. gldwngr, tell me what station you are from and your badge number, i am going to get my mommy to complain about you. :)

Oh man...that is not what the victim surcharge is for. :laugh:

He's 17, give him a break.

Just when I thought pornosaur was the biggest retard on this board (and I'm sure he feels the same about me), Ginolicious comes along and totally out-retards anyone else I've ever talked to on here.

Ginolicious, if I buy you a happy meal at McDonald's (I'll even buy you the toy, YAY!), and then drive you to the police station (11 division) will you repeat everything you've said in this thread to the Policeman sitting at the front desk?

Finally something constructive from you.. after your 30 replies to the thread....
Thank you

What exactly is this victim surcharge?

It's a surcharge that is 15% percent of what your fine is. Say your fine is $200. With the victim surcharge you'll end up paying a total of $230. Supposedly it goes to programs that help victims of crime and their families.

Damn, that isnt good... But i dont see how the courts can do that when you didnt affect anyone.. But if u did, then i could understand.

I gather from your posts that you surely are an idiot.

The Victim Fine Surcharge is applied regardless. You obviously have no idea how set fines work.

Arpus Obrut,

If you're ok with a 49 over charge, I'd strongly suggest you take the following steps on your own prior to involving an agent (Pointts, X-Copper, etc):

1) Go to the courthouse and ask for a disclosure form at the provincial offences desk. Fill out the form and hand it back to the clerk. You'll usually get the officers notes and any other information they would use at trial in the mail.

2) Attend the hearing on the date specified on your summons (yellow notice).

The hearing process differs from courthouse to courthouse, but there will be an opportunity to speak with the prosecutor. Discussions with the prosecutor are usually in his/her office, with only you and the prosecutor present. In your case, all you're asking for is an 11km drop in the speed. You will agree to plead guilty to 149kph in a 100kph zone. If the prosecutor agrees, you'll go before the judge to formally plead guilty to the reduced charge.

If the proscutor refuses to reduce the speed, you'll go before the judge and enter a plea of not guilty. At that point, you can involve Pointts or X-Copper and let them take the matter to trial. With your clean record however, the prosecutor shouldn't have a problem reducing the speed to 49 over.


If you involve X-Copper or Pointts right away, they will take exactly the same steps, and will strongly advise you to plead guilty to the 49 over charge. By taking the initial steps on your own, you are saving yourself the $600-900 these agents charge to handle cases like yours.

Wow, thanks a lot!
A few questions though:
1) Is it possible to negotiate with the prosecutor to possibly drop it to 29 over?

2) If i get an agent or a lawyer for the trial, what are the chances of them completly getting me off? Would there be a lawyer that would "guarantee" this kind of win?

3) I heard that if i reschedule the trial date, the chances of the police officer not showing up greatly increase. Is this true?

4) Finally, if the police officer wont show up on the trial date, would i still have to pay the agent/lawyer?

Thanks

finally the bitching has stopped (not that I was a huge help before).

gldwngr - I appreciate your reply to my question. unfortunately everyone here has been the victim of profiling, and pretty much everyone here has dealt with one of the 'bad apples' to which you speak of. i believe that the police force unfortunately has considerably more bad apples than many other professions.

but, even though ive spent so much time trashing cops - i gotta give some cops credit. just yesterday when i went to get gas i was walking to go inside and pay and an officer waited a considerable amount of time (longer than any regular person would have waited) and held the door for me. thats pretty cool - and made me rethink some of the 'profiling' of the police force i have participated in on this post.

i think everyone rags on cops because they are supposed to be someone that we all look up to. fourty years ago everyone loved cops, and they were almost treated like celebrities. but now everyone seems to have been 'touched' by a police officer that was having a bad day, or was on an ego trip. and I have more than enough stories to back that up.

but we all must admit that it was pretty cool actually being able to go toe to toe with gldwngr and demand that he come up with statistics... and then be able to read his replies and find out how funds are allocated.

I also have a buddy, mark, who's part of the toronto ... etf... or whatever its called (maybe gldwngr can help me out on the name) its like the emergency task force or something. he was called in when that lady was taken hostage downtown last winter... and he is basically part of our version of swat. he sits around most of the day being paid to work out and push a few papers... which originally made me bitter at how our tax money is allocated. but one night i was over for dinner with my wife and mark wasn't home yet and we were talkin to his fiance nicole... who said EVERY time he is even 10 mins late she gets worried sick... because he is literally puttin his life on the line everytime he answers a call.

now the only reason why i said this is because we might all be pissed at those shitty cops that give us a hard time... but SO FEW of us have bothered to give repsec to the few decent ones.

just my 2 cents.

1) This is possible. But because of the size of the speed drop here, it's probably not very likely. You only need an 11km drop to bring it down to 49 over. You would need a 31km drop to bring it to 29 over. See what the prosecutor says. If he asks you what you'd like, be very polite and respectful and ask for 29 over. If he agrees, that would certainly be ideal.

2) This mostly depends on the information you get back from your disclosure request. If the officer documented everything correctly, and can show that the radar unit used was properly calibrated, your chances aren't good here. X-Copper offers a guarantee on some cases, but they reserve the right to determine which cases the guarantee is offered on. Typically they wouldn't offer it on a case like yours.

3) While this is possible, it is not likely. When rescheduling trial dates, the clerks would typically try to select a date when the officer is available.

4) If you hire an agent/lawyer to handle the case, and the officer does not show up at trial, the agent/lawyer must still attend the trial on your behalf. As a result, you must still pay the agent/lawyer.

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FINALLY some real STATS................APPLES to APPLES
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HOMICIDE

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/statistics.php

HOMICIDE: 57 deaths per year average (98-03) from all types of homicide in Toronto.

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VEHICLE FATALITIES

http://www.toronto.ca/transportation..._fatal-jan.pdf

VEHICLE FATALS: 80 deaths per year average (1995-2004)

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With this all in mind now, it would shows that crime deaths are in fact lower than vehicle related deaths.

Another good information site

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/modul...rder=0&thold=0

if that doesn't work just go to http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/

This link shows that Toronto Police have started the installation of in-car cameras. It will only be in a select few cars at the start and to be merged into others over time.

No actualy i have no clue because i dont pay attention to them and have never been fined, other than a minor speeding ticket. Sorry fellaz, im not that wreckless in driving and know all the laws and fines.

i have gotten in a similar situation before. 170/100 zone, got a summons to court. i was looking at $800 and 6pts if convicted, possible licence suspension. paid $600 to laywer who (did absolutely nothing!) got the ticket down to 150/100 and 6 pts W/O suspension and $600 fine.

now i know that this was total bs! i couldn've gone to court just like him and if i tried a little, probably could've talked to the prosecutor and got it down to 149/100 (which is a minor offense).

advice to you:
1. DON'T get a laywer. they're a waste of money and don't know anything beyond basic common sense. you can do the same thing for free. you only get a laywer if you crashed and killed somebody or did 240/100 and looking at serious charges... which you are not atm.

2. first of all, read this: http://www.magma.ca/~fyst
This site is for ppl like.. well, all of us! :) It'll tell you exactly what to do. First of all, change the court date. This will minimize the chances of the cop coming (= automatic ticket dismissal). This will also give you a little more time (the later you have to deal w/ it the better, right?) If possible, try to move the second court date again. Think of excuses like sick, work, school, or my grandma in siberia needs an operation. Then come to the 3rd court date. Before that, way before, you have to request "disclosure". If they fail to provide it, it gives you leverage in court. Come to court well dressed, clean, shaven. Look your 100%. I've seen ppl come to court in wife beaters. Wife beater and a mullet = no leverage in court. Before the actual court, your best bet is to make a "plea bargain" w/ the prosecutor. Go talk to him/her BEFORE the court, explain your case. Try to agree on 140-149 in 100 (make sure it's <49 over, otherwise major ticket). At the end of the sentense, whatever it is, politely ask the judge for an extension to pay. You can ask up to 6 months to pay. Then pay $10/month, then at the end of the extension fax a form asking for 6 months more. It took me 2 yrs to pay that ticket like that.

Good luck.

If you choose to go this route, be sure to note the difference between a hearing and a trial.

Changing the date for your hearing will accomplish nothing. The officer is not required to attend the hearing. After the hearing, if you choose to plead not guilty and take the matter to trial, you will be given a trial date. The trial date is the one that vasilli is suggesting you change once it's assigned.

I think you can do this... Try to plea bargain w/ the prosecutor and if if fails, during the trial request to adjourn the court date because you want to seek legal help. But don't take my word for it, get a second opinion.

And one more thing, about those "we win or it's free" things. Nothing is free. There's always a small print. Don't waste your time and take my word for it. Or ask others. If they "guarantee" it, that means the case is so easy even a baby can win it. Anything more difficult is not guaranteed. And keep in mind that "win" is open to interpretation. Result? You get ed by both, x-coppers AND the court.