I just don't undertand the whole anti-cop thing on this board. Alot of you talk a tough game here, but how many of you call the officer who pulls you over a pig to his face? if you do you're much braver than I (and much dumber). Lets see how greatful you guys are when your car gets broken into/stolen, or your house is bugularized, and you need them then.

Busting the cops balls for doing their job (regardless of your opinion of the job) is just plain useless and juvenile. The laws are there, obey them and stop crying when you get busted.

I'm a firm beliver in profiling as it is the most effective manner in which to find offenders for various criminal acts. You all whine about it because it puts a damper on your fun, but would probably encourage it if it was used to combat the recent spate of gang shootings in Toronto.

People also seem to be saying that pretty much all their attention should be focussed on the gang shootings and not street racing, does this extend to other non-violent crimes where no one is hurt? Again the example of unoccupied home invasions, car thefts/break-ins.

I've gotten a couple of tickets in the past, was always polite. Never got a break on the road but when it came time in court they had their notes with them and cut me some slack there as I was polite when approaching them there. I never once blamed the officers for ticketing me, HTA violations are of an absolute liability nature, meaning its all your own damn fault.

I was talking recently with a friend who is not a fan of the street racing scene but is a racing fan. He said he'd never run on the street, just not worth it, the police hassles and the uncontrolled danger factor. He drives the hour or so to Cayuga pays his cash. They let him warm up his tires properly, stage properly for a good launch, and at the end gets a time-slip to back up his claims.

Does the order to appear state the violation was for speeding at 160km/h in a 100 zone? The officer could have felt that your driving was in a wreckless or dangerous manner and cited you for that offence as opposed to the actual speeding violation.

Not at all.

Gang violence, shootings, and unoccupied home invasions, etc all involve damage to persons or property.

No one is suggesting that traffic enforcement be discontinued. Obviously there is a need for some kind of control. However, we should be focusing most of our resources where they are needed most - not on enforcement of regulations that police officers themselves do not follow.

you you ing piece of .

i'm not even gonna read the rest of that .

You are talking about us not being able to come to cops and tell them they are pigs, you ing fascist piece of , why dont you come to a meet, better yet, come to bathurst and steeles, say it to my face, I bet i'll change your mind about profiling you fascist .

where are you from, were you born here chubby ? i want to know. Lets see if i can profile you bitch. my parents and grandparents fought and died so pigs like you wouldnt exist, yours did too you ungreatful piece of .

If that's the case, then why is there a project erase and why are the majority of the drivers that get pulled over usually driving a somewhat "modified" car? I usually see minivans and SUVs speeding and i have yet to see a minivan being pulled over. i think a 4000lb minivan speeding is a lot more dangerous than a 2 door 1500lb honda civic getting into an accident.

I see both side of the story Chubby.. and I"m not sayin it's easy to be a cop either..( I personally would rather be a garbagemen then to deal with the stress of being a cop ) but to be honest.. where were they when my parents got their house broken into?? Umm showed up next day.. ya thanx.. if there was any evidence.. its gone now..( specially with 4 kids in the house @ that time )

Where were they when my car was broken into and destroyed ( on blocks they took my OEM rims for god sake too) cause I left it @ work overnite cause I decided not to drive home cause I went drinkin after work ( caught on shitty security camera from work but not enough detail), called the cops, they asked wat was taken I told them them everything including the wheels and you know what they said to me? "Come down to the station" Umm.. hello.. if my in car ( didn't swear but was polite on the phone ) wasn't raped naked I could GET DOWN TO THE STATION dumb ass.. they didn't send a cruiser or cops over cause they said they were too busy.. well.. off to lunch with a friend in his car, and guess wat cop was just @ the corner McDonald.. I asked him if he can take a report cause I Can't get to the station, and if he's on-duty. Yes, he's on duty piggin out on fries and coffee.. and he said no.. he's on a call.. WTF ???? AT macdonalds calling wat? a burger with your fries.. I got mouthy as I left cause it was B.S. so the cop left, I drive back to work.. well guess wat he's sittin @ a parkin lot 4 driveway down from my work.. explain that

So if that's the case, what do i do if i'm black? Do I have to start acting white, change the way i speak, the way i act, and change my skin colour so that i will not get profiled?

hes a fascist piece of , i dont give a what he says he has no ing credibility, motheer.

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Thanks for serving and protecting the community. :)

go to the cops and tell them they are pigs, what do I give a what you do, I'm just saying that its not the brightest of ideas.

Profile is effective, if a disproportionate number of crimes are committed by a group of people disproportionate to their numbers in the community that requires attention. Not only addressing through the legal system, but also root causes need to be addressed.

Look at the current situation in new york and London, where to be politically correct they have to conduct their random searches of people by a numbering system. I.e. check every 5th person. They are spending their time counting people and searching someones 80 year old grandmother as opposed to targetting the group that is predominantly comittee the crimes. Obviously not all people of certain groups are guilty of the offences but you do need to narrow it down. There are calls from New York city councellors to allow to use profiling for better alignment of resources.

You all talk about streamlining resources and targetting them towards where they're needed.

Take the gang violence, you going to look at mothers pushing baby strollers when they're not the demographic that is running around shooting each other?

As for where I was born and grew up, Toronto, along the Jane and Finch corridor, born at Jane and Finch hospital. My parents, born here too, grandparents and great grandparents too.

How about you? Do you really need to relegate to name calling and threats of violence, are your language skills that weak that you cannot convey your point across without those crutches of stupidity?

I try to write my posts with some semblance of civility despite the fact that my view(s) may not be popular.

did I hit a nerve with you or something?

hippie

You keep saying that police don't follow the same regs, but based on what evidence? How many cops have you personally followed to check on their personal driving habits?

You keep also sayng "focusing resources where they are needed most", but do you even know how much police resources go into traffic enforcement? And again, I ask, what level do you think is appropriate?

Since when is being black illegal?

Chubby C.... You are a moron... What may your background be? I think you just need to shut up in general.. Listen to you.... Now you sound even more like a moron.. Why are you on this board? Don't you have something else to do. :stroke:

Why are you on the board? Shouldn't you be working a second job at McDonalds to pay for your speeding ticket and insurance increase?

Oh, I forgot - your mommy and daddy pay the bills for your misdeeds.

As an example, I have never, in all my years of driving, witnessed a police officer STOP at a stop sign when there was no traffic to stop them. Slow down, yes. Roll through, most definitely. But NEVER stop. There are many many more examples, which I'm sure the folks on this forum could provide.

As for resources, the ERASE program is specifically intended to show the public that significant police resources are being directed towards eliminating the issue. Perhaps you could provide us with some hard allocation statistics that would dispel this view?

I think we hit another nerve here. :stroke:

Now who is making assumptions....?

Actually gldwngr's right. check out the "won't be getting my own car till..." thread. Although ginolicious does say he wanted to fight it, and they paid it behind his back.

Oooops, my bad.

It's all good. I've said it before and I'll say it again this thread rocks. 11 pages now! :appl: :appl: :laugh: :thumbsup

WOOHOO!!! Lets keep it going! :la:

Wow...look what I missed while I was at work! First off, I know that many people on this board are really passionate about their beliefs when it comes to police. I am as well. I've met with many cops over the years and I have to say that most are really out there doing their job. Sure some of them abuse their powers to get through a red lights or speed for no reason. Power corrupts the weak. I've have a few speeding tickets and I've always been kind and polite to the officers who've pulled me over. I knew that I had done wrong and there was no reason to be a jerk about it. I even passed an officer hiding in his cruiser behind a bush up near Mosport just waiting for a guy like me. As soon as I saw him pull out behind me I pulled over. There was no reason to make him chase me. He appreciated that and dropped a 40 over ticket to a 15 over ticket on the spot. He also told me that I should take it to court anyways.

It's things like that that make you realize that all anyone wants is a little respect. Nobody is going to get a straight answer out of our cop buddies on this board if you call them pigs or whatever.

I have however been treated like a criminal on several occasions by the boys in blue. Because of that I do not respect the police force as a whole. They are essentially a publicly funded gang who always look out for their own. Their access to illegal weapons and drugs give the weak minded and financially strapped officers an easy way to make some extra cash. I went to school with a guy who sold drugs exclusively obtained through a 'source' within the peel police.

Besides that it seem like gldwngr is a good guy. As long as the insults stop I'm sure he could have something constructive to say.

I'm a moron because you disagree with me?

Thats original, what mommy and daddy weren't around to write a decent and coherent response for you so you resorted to a simpleton's statement?

Also read my previous post and I state my background is Canadian.

I was going out to meets while you were still riding your BMX there sunshine.

And the reason I'm on this board is because threads like this give me a laugh when I have 10 minutes to kill. As well as the fact that the for sale and tech threads are invaluable resources.

holy ... 11pgs last time i was here it was 1...

its the funniest thread I've ever read, its fun to egg these guys on

Perhaps you are right. But his labelling us as killers is wrong IMHO

You? egg me on? Dont be silly... :hah:

but its all in good fun, can't take this stuff to seriously

No, you are right. But the bottom line of this thread is someone got a nasty ticket and needs to fix it or do something about it. That is serious stuff unfortunately.

true enough it did get a little off topic.
Best bet would be to at least go for some consultations with Points/X-Copper and a real traffic lawyer

The only problem is is car. From his name I'm guessing it's a turbo Supra. The first thing they're going to look at is the car, and if it's a sports car, they're not going to be lenient.

first of all, all of you that are bashing the guy(s) that might be cops.

there is no need. you all "hate" cops, all of them, yet you want the cops to treat you with respect, and to not profile you. why are you profiling them?

we sat around with our friendly neighbourhood cop on the weekend helping him do radar. when we asked him how much over he pulls people for he said 30-40. he is reasonable... he pulls over the idiots that stand out from the crowd. but you know what... he doesnt profile, he doesnt nail you for anythjing you dont deserve... he just does his job. most cops out there do the same.

now seriously you could learn a thing or two from the "board cops" but hey, you would rather bash them.... they might have even helped you out if you had been nice about it.

who cares if you see a cop doing 150. i guarantee if he is in a civilian car he will get nailed. again our friendly cop was telling us how he travels the 400, and wouldnt dare go over 125ish. he says the opp wouldnt cut him a break, and he wouldnt expect one either... however he would obviously cut a "friend" a break if the infraction was minor... but for a major infraction he would be obligated to charge him. its his job, and he could lose it for letting him go.

as far as the supra guy's situation.

take a plea. if you argue your charge you will be admitting guilt of travelling in excess of 50km over the limit (remember you are under oath and must tell the truth). i assume are charged with careless driving. a 49over speeding charge will be much better.

either way, write down everything from that night.. temperature, time, road conditions, weather conditions, visibility, the other vehicles around you, their relative speeds, the faster car's description, its relative speed.. everything you can remember.
once you have received the officers notes try to see if thereis anything he may have missed, or made up.

The thread did get a little bit off topic, but it was kinda funny.

gldwngr wouldnt seem like that bad of a guy unless he started calling people idiots and fools in his first reply to this thread.

I wasnt driving the Supra, i was driving friend's corolla that cant possibly do 160. (as stated in my original post)

Ive asked around a few people i know and they said that a good lawyer could get me off 100% clean. I wonder what would he say in court to convince the judge.

Could someone tell me more about the hearing process? How exactly does it work since the time i enter the court building? I've never been in court in my life.

Thanks again to all those with helpful replies!

Oh dont piss up the wrong tree donut eating sac of ! Don't piss me off bitch. You are pissing up the wrong tree. Actually , im quite wealthy from what I do... I work for my and no not at McD's or Timmies... If i did, i would be spitting in ur and u would have arrested my ass by now for it. I actually make 12 bucks an hour, so shut ur fuken ugly ass face... Dont you have a life other than to sit your chubby ass on the computer and try to spot where we are... Shut the fuk up. I actually earn my and make 12 bucks an hour, so watch what you say... If you dont know what the fuk your talking about, shut the fuk up... Like in this case.

as far as I know for traffic tickets not sure about for orders to appear.
You show up, check in and then prior to the start of the trials, the traffic crown is going to call for anyone who has business in a particular court room to basically line up. The crown then speaks to each person and usually will tell them what they'll offer, here you can try to negotiate them down. They may also let you know if the officer who charged you has checked in yet, always good to ask, as by talking to the officer you may get him to agree to further reductions, and I've seen officers even talk people through the whole process, explaining what will happen, they can be pretty decent.
Hopefully all goes well for you

remember if it is a charge of dangerous driving, the speed is almost irrelevant. the fact that you "were" travelling at a high rate of speed could be enough on its own to justify a conviction if it is deemed unsafe for conditions without any other circumstances.

if it a speeding charge, again the actual speed is irrelevant in finding guilt. the speed is only a factor for sentencing. ie: you are convicted of speeding regardless of if you are travelling at 105 or 205. the penalty would be different though. so if you admit to travelling at 140+ you will be convicted of speeding, however there may be a discrepancy in the officers notes to what you were actually travelling at. which is why you should note eveything about the night.

you should have actually (everyone should) wrote notes at the scene, or immediately afterwards though.

and no offence but so what if goldwinger calls people idiots for breaking the law and getting caught. its true, its obvious that the chance of getting caught is there... and cops are rpetty easy to spot on the hwy if youre paying attention...

Twelve bucks an hour? You have really struck the jackpot, haven't you? I am SOOO impressed. Such wealth!

Just imagine how far you can make that twelve bucks an hour stretch, especially if your mommy and daddy are paying all your bills for you.

Um, one question though. If you are SOOOO rolling in wealth, AND leaching off the parents, then why are you moaning that you can no longer afford to get your own car because of the insurance repercussions of that ticket that they paid for you?

Because faggot... I dont want my own car right now... What divison do you work for? I want to come over there and beat your fuken face in right now. Arent you suppose to be off work Pig? Why are you still online?

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And thats why you are a pig.. Most likely picked on as a kid.

On the summons to court notice that i got, it says that i "Commited the offence of speeding 160kmh in a 100kmh zone". Doesnt say anything about dangerous or careless driving.. So is it up for the judge to decide?

Also someone mentioned that this first date thats on the paper is just a perliminary hearing and NOT a trial. Whats the point of this? Am i even going to see the judge?

This i HIGHLY doubt... Seeing how the officer that pulled me over was a COMPLETE DICK.


GinoLicious, just let it go man. Trust me, your bitching at him wont make him feel any worse, it'll prob make him smile instead.