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Exactly!
Just a couple of weeks ago i was waiting on a red light, a cop car gets to the lane near me, popps the siren, goes through the red light, turns the siren off, and 50 meters later pulls into the Tim Hortons (while im still waiting at the red light). I guess a sudden urge for sweets makes them exemptions from the HTA.

you're a fool - everyone knows that police are somewhat obliged to offer 'professional courtesy' to fellow police officers and the family of police officers when dealing with HTA offences.

on two seperate occasions I have been with different people who have received this 'professional courtesy'. One was a court official (guard) and the second was the son of a well known police officer.

you are so full of when you say that the pig was probably driving with the flow of traffic in the 'right lane'. in fools book it down the left lane and weave around you when you aren't going their preferred speed.

a funny story about how pigs are as much (or more) of a danger than the average driver - I was stuck in traffic on Black Creek heading towards 400 N. After half-a-in-hour I finally get up to the scene of the accident. An arrogant, ignorant pig rearended a van FULL FORCE. ed up both vehicles. Now tell me Mr. Pig - was it the officer's cautious driving at the speed of surrounding traffic in the right lane that got him into that accident? NO, it was his 'above-the-law' cowboy attitude trying to get past everyone as quickly as possible ... with magically NO LIGHTS ON. And c'mon, you can't try and tell me he was trying to not alert the perps in a fully marked police car in broad daylight on Black Creek.

buddy - you know how crooked 'you're kind' is. YES speeding is wrong, but unless I see flashing lights and hear a siren there is NO excuse for an officer doing it.

you -heads believe you're above the law.

Perhaps you could find an article that is relevant to 2005, these articles are 4 and 5 years old respectively.
Times change and we should too......well at least the gas prices have :mad:

If you get stopped on the 400/401 or QEW, you must be really standing out from the crowd.....if you would consider that there probably is a MINIMUM of 100,000 vehicles go by in one day, and the officer works maybe 12hours, so now you have 50,000 vehicles.....and that officer stops maybe 30 vehicles for offences, (in between helping broken down vehicles, accidents, doughnut eating etc..) 50,000 divide by 30 = 0.06% of driver's are stopped by an officer.................

So 0.06% of vehicles are stopped your DRIVING must really have to stand out from the others to be noticed this much......

Even if there is a blitz/speed trap of 30 officers (which I've never seen) ....50,000 divide by 30 is now a big whopping 1.8% ..........so ones DRIVING would still be standing out to be stopped. (still based on ONLY 100,00 vehicles) probably a lot lower percent with more vehicles
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Back to start....go to scheduled appearance on your summons, ask to speak to the prosecutor and resolve same, the prosecutor probably will entertain a plea to a lower speed (49over). You have then saved paying a paralegal (POINTTS etc) and also reduced the offence as well. Reminder that most paralegals consider a win if points or the fine is reduced.

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Another good comment someone made is the lack of driving skill. There is very very very very few drivers who have actually completed a proper intense driving course. The driving schools just teach basics of driving. So there are only a handful of drivers who have the extra training, such as police, ambulance and actual race car drivers from a track. So very few of us have the experience, knowledge or skill to drive the ever constant growing of the auto industry. The vehicles have developed a whole lot, but driver training has not kept up

The per capita murder rate in the GTA is the lowest of all major Canadian urban areas, and also the lowest of all North American cities.

Most murders occur in the home or in the workplace, are not premediated, and involve spouses, relations, or close friends. Most of the rest are gang related, often retaliation killings. There are very few stranger on stranger killings in Toronto other than the gang-on-gang hits.

How should we protect against spontaneous crime in the home or workplace? Shall we station cops inside every home?

Taking out the gangs sounds like an easy solution, but how shall we start? Just what is a gang? Every group of kids hanging out on a street corner? If so, the answer is obvious - arrest and search every kid hanging out on a street corner with otehr kids. Easy, right?

Street racers do not "intentionally go out to intentionally kill someone", so you say, but neither do drunk drivers. Should we lay off on drunk drivers too? People still die either way, whether by drunk driving or street racing. In fact, more people in the GTA die from auto crashes than by murder, so maybe we should move those cops off homicide and into traffic duties.

how about you be a smart little pig and find us the information on deaths due to drunk driving. while your at it send over the deaths due to street racing - and please have at least a semi-logical explanation for how that was a 'street racing' accident and not just a regular speeder hitting a in pole.

the men in blue have lost the respect of the general public cause you have proved how crooked you are. I was pulled over 17 times in 18 months and only received 2 tickets... let alone the fact that one was completely dropped and the second was reduced. so whats your explanation for wasting half an hour of my time? are you serving and protecting?

I love how all cruisers have 'DEEDS SPEAK' on the in side of them. HEY PIG, DEEDS SPEAK - prove to us that we should respect your blue ass and do something worthwhile.

All this being said - I do know a few cops, and I know of one in specific that BUSTS HIS ASS upholding the law. But BS HTA PIGS don't count!

gldwngr, I'm curious - would you have us believe that you have never operated a motor vehicle in Ontario within the 10-20kmph "forgiveness" range you refer to above.

First off let me say this: I do respect the police. I was in the Canadian Forces so we aren't too far apart on certain issues. I have friends who are cops, hell my Uncle's son is a cop. He talks to me about certain things he sees in the force so please dont lie to me about anything the police may or may not do. IMHO Project Erase is nothing more than a publicity stunt to detract from the huge black eye the Toronto Police have suffered from at the hands of a few members who I pray have been dealt with. So you say 40 people is acceptable? Tell that to the families involved and see how they take it. And 40 in one year is more than 29 over a few years. How do we prosecute gangs? The same way they went after biker gangs, anti gang laws. It is right there in black and white so dont play dumb on that issue. You know who the players are. You can do it, question is... will you?

Site of interest

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/new...stat050505.htm
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clip-out-from above website

In 2003, more than 200 people died in drunk driving collisions. More than 500 others were seriously hurt.
In nine out of 10 drinking and driving deaths, the drinking driver was a man.
Most impaired drivers involved in collisions are between 19 and 24 years old.
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Found another web-site
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/saf...hp2_02.htm#2.1

quick overview of above for 2002
157,981 collisions in Ontario with 873 fatals, 84,192 injuries
total 53.8% of collisions result in injury of some kind

Just some insight into some stats, sorry unable to find 2004 stats...but it's government, can't expect them to move to fast

"Since the beginning of July alone, the Toronto area has witnessed 18 shootings, most in broad daylight or in full public view."

That's from a Toronto Star article from August 5, and doesn't include the 5 or so shootings over the weekend including 3 just last night (2 were fatal). Let's also keep in mind that this is GTA only - does not include numbers from other jurisdictions in Ontario.

During the launch of project ERASE, police were quick to state that a whopping 29 deaths directly attributable to street racing have occurred in Ontario since 1999. Rounded up, that's 5 deaths a year.

Statistics clearly show where we should be allocating police resources, and it isn't in traffic services.

http://www.i9.photobucket.com/albums...05/roflmao.gif I think gldwngr = BANNED
later: or not.

Project ERASE is effectively driven by York, Peel and OPP police, and those regions don't have much of a "black eye" to try and deflect. Toronto police play an absolutely minimal role in it.

The 29 over a few years is known street racing deaths. There are also a lot of unexplained single vehicle crashes in which high speed was involved, and for which there are vague accounts of possible racing activity involved, but not enough firm evidence by which to lay the blame on racing. Still, if 40 murders on one hand is too many in your eyes, but 29 street racing deaths is "ok", then at what point should we become concerned by innocent people dying needlessly?

So yes, by all means work to stop murders, which according to per capita murder rates is being done quite effectively in the GTA as compared to other jurisdictions, and ALSO go after the other causes of wrongful death, such as innocents being mowed down by drunk drivers and street racers.

Or are you saying that death by street racing is ok?

29 deaths over 6 years.

40 deaths in 8 months.

Be a smart boy and do the math gldwngr. No deaths are ok. But when we're talking about resource allocation, the bigger problem logically should be getting more attention.

Are you saying that those street racing deaths should be ignored?

Are you saying that street racing should be ignored until murders no longer occur on our streets?

In any case, do you have any idea of how resources are actually allocated by police departments? Do you really think that traffic takes more police resources than that allocated to street crime?

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Let's compare apples to apples here............ someone please find

40 deaths by what? gun? knife? strangalation etc.....

For fairness on both side here..........
.............. total murders by all means is 40 in 8 months?
.............total deaths by vehicles is what in 8 months?

After someone finds these stats and for the same size area can we compare for EQUAL discussion as the current situation is not comparing the same items what so ever (all murders versus one mode of death by vehicle)


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gldwngr, I'd encourage you once again to read over posts carefully prior to responding. You'll find it will avoid redundant questions such as these.

As I clearly stated, no deaths are acceptable. However, majority focus should be given to the obviously larger problem. Rather than puting resources into enforcing regulation that the police themselves do not obey, we should be putting these resources to positive use.

dear mr. pig,

as many have requested, we wish to see the ins and outs to these 29 deaths over 6 years. I highly doubt that they are due to organized street racing - which many of us engage in. Some jackass in his moms civic going 160 at 6:00 on the DVP DOESN'T COUNT AS STREET RACING.

god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force.

Why ban him? I think that everyone, including stupid people should be allowed to post here.

So far gldwngr has shown a serious lack of reading comprehension skills, evaded questions, bullshitted people and was owned after almost every reply that he posted.

"god they really gave to start screening the idiots out of the police force."
This will never happen.. Police force has always been the last resort for people with a weak mental capability.

Just how much of police resources do you think goes into traffic enforcement? What figure do you think that should be?

And what makes you so sure that the majority of police do not obey those regulations? I see a number of import drivers disobeying regs, but I don't take that observation to automatically infer that all import drivers are the same.

I couldn't find him in the user list. I guess he's anonymous. At least he's entertaining us with statistics.

Bullshitted people? With what? People have made a lot of claims here, but have not been able to back them up. I myself really like the one about the "Police Services Union".

Union, association, whatever. It is organized labour no matter how you label it. How much resources should be allocated to a gang war? As much as possible. I aksed you not to bullshit us about staistics and such, now I am going to talk to my cousin the police officer and find out the truth. So Mr. Goldwinger, are you going to climb down from your lofty horse and concede that the police are profiling once again (Which is against the rules) or am I going to dig deeper into the dirt and present it for all the board to see? Profiling is profiling, one way or another. If you cant do it racially, why not do it according to lifestyle. God forbid you would target the gay and lesbian community. They would hang your sorry ass out to dry in a heartbeat. Or other racial groups, their lawyers would slap a gag order on you so fast you would bounce. Back off, this is a free country. My tax dollars pay your wages so be careful how you talk to your boss.

You've also made a lot of claims here that you were not able to back up.. Cops with university degrees handing out speeding tickets? Police officers not abusing their power?

ricewagon94 posted a few links where it clearly confirms the existance of the police union.. It even says who the leader of the police union is - Craig Bromell. The police union might not have all the powers of other "unions", but its still a union.

Associations are not unions. Unions have much more legal power than any association. There is a difference even if you cannot understand that.

Profiling is a perfectly legal policing and investigation tool in most cases. It's also an important tool. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, you can make the probably conclusions.

Being gay or lesbian, or of a particular race or religion is not illegal, so profiling on the basis of that is inappropriate and a violation of a person's Charter rights. But profiling based on behaviour, consumption patterns, one's activities (including driving habits), one's associates, one travel habits, etc is perfectly legal. Lifestyle is often a good indicator of what a person is.

How do you think many crimes are solved? How do you think gang members are tentatively identified prior to them actually being caught doing a crime?

If you don't want to be treated like a duck, don't walk or quack like one.

You guys should try and be more civil in this thread. We could learn something if you guys stopped calling each other names... ie "mr pig".

Bwuahahaha... this just made my day a little better!
Its not only the tax dollars, its also the money from tickets. Unfortunetly for you, i am going to fight my case to the end, and i'll get the best lawyer if i have to, and pay him a lot of money just to make sure that the pigs like the one who pulled me over dont get a dime from me.
Believe me or not, i actually had a lot of respect for police officers before this happened to me. I was never harassed, pulled over for "excessive noise", or even been treated impolitely by an officer. Sure, i heard stories, but i didnt really mind untill it happened to me. Now i will file a complain on every cop who deserves it (most do), report cop cars abusing their power, etc.

You seem amazed that cops can have university degrees. Maybe they're not as dumb as you think they are. Or maybe you're not as smart as you think you are.

Police not abusing there powers? Name me any one profession in which all of its members are squeaky clean. You can't, because there are bad apples in every group. Cops are no different.

Police unions are illegal in Ontario. Go look it up. Craig Brommell was the president of the Toronto Police Association. There is considerable legal difference in the powers and scope of an association versus that of a union. I've said that a few times now, but it seems your university education must not yet be complete, seeing as you are still not able to comprehend.

You were clearly speeding. Just be a man by accepting responsibility and pay the fine. You broke the law, no lawyer is going to be able to convince the judge otherwise.

B6T - you're right... we could all learn something.

gldwngr - I would like you to answer one question, since you seem to avoid all of my others: Do you feel that the police force as a whole is upright, fair and just to every citizen they deal with?

Please answer this HONESTLY.

How old are you?

Unfortunately for me you will fight your ticket? How does that hurt me?

You'll pay a lawyer a lot of money and get the best lawyer? Go ahead, no skin off my back.

So the "pigs" like the one who pulled you over "won't get a dime"? News flash - he gets a paycheck whether he tickets you or not, whether you fight your ticket or not, whether you win that ticket or not. He won't get any extra if you do get convicted, and won't get any less if you're not.

Your rant is entertaining though. Come on, give us a visual image - were you foaming at the mouth while you were typing that silly rant out?

Cops are doing all for our community. Street racers dont kill, its the gangs, how bout you guys fry those fuken fish and give up on the little fish. You guys really do need a life. And you know what I believe it, because how many times to you see a cop break the law, all the time and no one can do . You people abuse your powers. You all need to get a life and quit :stroke: at the computer.

http://www.i9.photobucket.com/albums...rivecuss00.gif Sorry couldn't resist. Love that emo.

^^^ See if you represent all cops, then you all are asses, telling us to mature, look at you crying.

As a whole, yes, I do think that most cops are generally fair, but their degree of discretion in laying charges will certainly vary according to who they are dealing with. If you are seen to be polite and have a decently clean record, you'll get more breaks than the smartass or the guy already showing a record.

As for the bad apples, it may take a while, but they eventually get flushed. Even with the bad apples though, they usually tend to target their bad acts against people already in the system as bad actors. That's more like vigilante extrajudiciary punishment, which still isn't good, but not the same as bad cops screwing with the lives of innocent upstanding people.

You cant even pretend that you can read normally, can you?
Just read the sentence before the one you are quoting. If it is too much to ask of you, i'll break it down for you - part of the cops pay checks come from the tickets that they hand out. If the court doesnt get my money, that would mean less money available to pay the cops.


And my theory about you not being able to read proves itself once again...

Yes, i was foaming at the mouth. Can you answer one question for me now? Just be honest FOR ONCE.
Why did you decide to become a police officer? Was it because you wanted to dedicate your life to serving and protecting the community, or was it because of the lack of an alternative, and getting 40 - 60+ K a year for not doing seemed like a better idea than busting your ass at construction?

Come on, its obvious, there are your decent cops that live by the books and write you tickets for nothing, then there are the cops that will let you go, then there are teh cops that dont seem to give a and are the ones who are importing the drugs into the country... Its gotta get in somehow, gotta have people on the inside allowing the in.

Had to put my 2 cents and reminded me of this..

The difference between big organized gangs and cops are how it's funded.. one is illegally the other is funded by us( legally).. Cops, the LEGAL organized gang.

Its funny how they stated they found XX amount of drugs and seized money.. but at the conference.. that number drastically drops.. but by accident the repo van is conviniently parked in the garage for the cops to help themselves... oh.. btw.. I remember cops runnin over pedastrians in T.O. Guess that was part of that street racing death poll..

You're correct, everything is corrupt as long as humans are involved.. and anyone behind the wheel can kill.. so go bust up the organized soccer mom with there mini van cause they drive like idiots and pissed off cause their child lost the game or unjust ref. ruined there mood. Next to your stereotyped street racers.. I notice Mini VAn are the most aggressive drivers out there speeding and weaving. Lets profile them too TMR Toronto Minivan Racing :laugh:

I totally agree with taht comment about the soccer moms. THey are the worst drives now and piss everyone off.. Why dont you start pullin over them, why you dont is because they are women and middle aged... Pulling them over is like pullin over an import for no reason. So come on, this is bullshit, pull them over 2. Do something with your lives and get the fuken soccer moms off the road.

So tell me, why instead of giving me a break and bumping it down, he bumped it up?
Like i said earlier (just repeating myself, because there is pretty big chance of you not catching that part) - i had a 100% clean record and was very polite with him.

Completely untrue. The judicial process is in place for a reason.

B6T, if you were in a similar situation, you would do whatever you could to reduce the impact to your record and insurance rates, just as anyone would. Even the officer providing us with so much entertainment in this thread would do the same if he actually recieved a citation for speeding. He knows the process, and would make use of it like anyone else.

Let's all be realistic and keep in mind that, moral posturing aside, the shoe may be on the other foot someday.