2 Tickets
11-23-2005 | 10:51 PM
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2 Tickets
One was augest 18th. I have court on november 30th. Got any advice. other then pleading guilty. it was 81-50.. best part is! I WASNT speeding! so anythin i can do to fight i n get it dropped? cuz this is gay!
another speeding ticket october 11th, 112-80. out in the country WAAAy out! not even a house in a site.. undercover tailing me in bad weather with highbeams. I speed up...get a good distance, hit the brakes..then i see flashing lights..n i get pulled over.. probably going to plead guilty..since well I did speed up. my fault. an a lesser fine.
Good Idea? First one im serious too! I wasnt speeding!he pulled me over with * I thought u where speeding so I decided i'd pull u over*
I said* Officer I wasnt speeding:S*
he says * I can show u the radar*
I Say * No thanks*
I get a bullshit ticket!
another speeding ticket october 11th, 112-80. out in the country WAAAy out! not even a house in a site.. undercover tailing me in bad weather with highbeams. I speed up...get a good distance, hit the brakes..then i see flashing lights..n i get pulled over.. probably going to plead guilty..since well I did speed up. my fault. an a lesser fine.
Good Idea? First one im serious too! I wasnt speeding!he pulled me over with * I thought u where speeding so I decided i'd pull u over*
I said* Officer I wasnt speeding:S*
he says * I can show u the radar*
I Say * No thanks*
I get a bullshit ticket!
12-18-2005 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 97_Tegra
got 2 more tickets since. lol
112-80
79-50
112-80
79-50
This man will help you out, he got all my tickets dismissed such as careless driving, 170 in a 100, 80 in 50 etc... the list goes on
Ask for ED, the owner or traffic ticket pple
416 930 7747
tell him johnny from texas sent you and he'll hook you up
12-18-2005 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 2TONE_93GT
some people just should have their license
plead guilty with explanation. Tell them TSR made you do it
plead guilty with explanation. Tell them TSR made you do it
01-16-2006 | 08:23 PM
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Well thats stupid, if the cop didn't have a radar reading on you you can just make any up man, the cop has no proof of you speeding, and if he calculated it by using distance over time, then just skool him wth your math skills, im not gonna tell you how becuse you can figure it out. Its really simple if you took gr.11 physics.
btw: there are other ways also of getting of speeding tickets when cop reads you in bad weather just do a little research.
btw: there are other ways also of getting of speeding tickets when cop reads you in bad weather just do a little research.
03-12-2006 | 03:18 AM
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ok first ticket..lost in court
second ticket..plead guilty with an explanation..only 5 min later to find out the cop wasnt there! ****! lol reduced to 3 points.
3rd ticket march 23rd im in court. also pleading guilty with explanation.
second ticket..plead guilty with an explanation..only 5 min later to find out the cop wasnt there! ****! lol reduced to 3 points.
3rd ticket march 23rd im in court. also pleading guilty with explanation.
03-15-2006 | 03:45 PM
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Pleading down won't help with your Insurance prem.
1) Buy a Radar Detector
2) Start reading... http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/download.htm
Failure to do either, and you can forget driving before long. Your no different than me... 25 years ago!! But things were a lot easier (and cheaper) back then.
Book'm
1) Buy a Radar Detector
2) Start reading... http://www.magma.ca/~fyst/download.htm
Failure to do either, and you can forget driving before long. Your no different than me... 25 years ago!! But things were a lot easier (and cheaper) back then.
Book'm
03-16-2006 | 05:18 PM
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bookm is right. Get educated in a hurry. Stop pleading guilty. All that's going to do is give you a chance to have the fine lowered, and you're going to pay a helluvalot more in insurance.
You need to start taking these to trial if the prosecutor isn't offering you any deals (he's less likely to do this the more tickets you have on your record).
You got caught on lazer? I hear those ones are the easiest to get thrown out.
You need to start taking these to trial if the prosecutor isn't offering you any deals (he's less likely to do this the more tickets you have on your record).
You got caught on lazer? I hear those ones are the easiest to get thrown out.
03-19-2006 | 11:48 PM
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that links not helpfull much. when i went to court..n the cop didnt show..they asked for the trail to be at a later date...me being n idiot...didnt use the * its a waste of my time to come here over n over because the officer isnt here.* so ye...n my first ticket..I was convicted of 31 over..and I wasnt speeding..n lost it in court fighting it...so ahh!
03-20-2006 | 10:30 AM
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- Of course the Prosecutor is going to ask for an extension if the cop doesn't show. If you don't object to it, the JP will allow it. You have to say your date is now. You are ready. Lets go! The JP now has no right to postpone and (without a witness to examine), the case will be dismissed. But without forcefull argument, the JP is forced to accept the Prosecuters request.
There has to be a little common sense applied to that tutorial (link).
Also, within that tutorial is a recommendation to aquire and study a book called "The Law of Traffic Offences", by Scott C. Hutchison. It's expensive (over $100), but discusses practical defence strategies for common Ontario Traffic violations (including speeding). It lists important Case Law for presentation to the JP at your trial. JP's and Judges will almost always follow case law.
The Bottom Line is, if you're going to defend yourself, you HAVE TO educate yourself. About ten years ago, the Provincial Offences Act was introduced to help make it simpler for "regular folks" to understand the Court process, but it's still somewhat complicated for the vast majority of citizens, like us. I choose to drive faster than the majority of others, so I consider costs for books, and on-line programs to be the price I'm willing to pay to drive how I want.
If you just clicked the link and expected a quick solution, you have not done nearly enough. If you went to court with your hands in your pocket, with absolutely no documentation, line of questioning, or defence evidence, of course you're gonna' get destroyed by the Prosecuter.
The Prosecuter will be friendly to you before trial. Don't ever think he gives a rats-ars about you though. He is your adversary. Don't forget it. He is trained in Law and has done this hundreds of times. But the JP WILL recognize that YOU are NOT, and will give you all the time and patience necessary to present your defence. But you have to put some effort in to it.
I am currenty defending myself against THREE tickets I got at ONE stop! (Hatrick!!)... Fail to Stop for Stop Sign (x2), Fail to Show Lisense. Of course I plead not-guilty to all three, as the alleged infractions were not based on "safety" in this case, but rather petty technical issues based on the wording in the Act (purely "financial" motives). Here's a brief progress report to date:
March xx, 2006
- I arrived at court 1/2 hour early and jotted down a few pointers for my motions for Continuance & Seperate Trials.
- Prosecutor met with me privately / offered deal / drop ONE Stop Sign.
- I counter-offered, BOTH stop signs "go away" (since the first citation is an "easy-win")
- "NO DEAL"!
- He stated he would object to my Seperate Trials Motion (he's no longer pleasant).
- Called in to court room: Four Cops standing there, Court Clerk, the Prosecutor (not my regular environment, lol)
- Justice enters... I promptly forget all my fancy wording!! LOL (Note to self: write down KEY words for instant recall next time)(... even forgot the word "Discovery" <dum ars>! hehe)
- 60 day Continuance was granted based on being very busy at work, AND I required at least 30 days to process two Requests under the Freedom of Information Act.
- Prosecutor was all concerned about my requests, so I said I'd forward the info to him when received.
- Then I dropped the bomb... 3 seperate trials please. Prosecuter and I bickered back and forth.. then the JP gave me the first citation "trial date", with the motion for the other two to be heard at that time (at least I get TWO trials).
- Prosecutor mumbled something irrelevant (apparently doesn't like me any more)
- I bowed, and left.
Wahoo!! First (minor) Victory
Remember, I'm not a lawyer. Most of the terminolgy I used above, was just learned since my tickets. Will follow-up...
Book'm
There has to be a little common sense applied to that tutorial (link).
Also, within that tutorial is a recommendation to aquire and study a book called "The Law of Traffic Offences", by Scott C. Hutchison. It's expensive (over $100), but discusses practical defence strategies for common Ontario Traffic violations (including speeding). It lists important Case Law for presentation to the JP at your trial. JP's and Judges will almost always follow case law.
The Bottom Line is, if you're going to defend yourself, you HAVE TO educate yourself. About ten years ago, the Provincial Offences Act was introduced to help make it simpler for "regular folks" to understand the Court process, but it's still somewhat complicated for the vast majority of citizens, like us. I choose to drive faster than the majority of others, so I consider costs for books, and on-line programs to be the price I'm willing to pay to drive how I want.
If you just clicked the link and expected a quick solution, you have not done nearly enough. If you went to court with your hands in your pocket, with absolutely no documentation, line of questioning, or defence evidence, of course you're gonna' get destroyed by the Prosecuter.
The Prosecuter will be friendly to you before trial. Don't ever think he gives a rats-ars about you though. He is your adversary. Don't forget it. He is trained in Law and has done this hundreds of times. But the JP WILL recognize that YOU are NOT, and will give you all the time and patience necessary to present your defence. But you have to put some effort in to it.
I am currenty defending myself against THREE tickets I got at ONE stop! (Hatrick!!)... Fail to Stop for Stop Sign (x2), Fail to Show Lisense. Of course I plead not-guilty to all three, as the alleged infractions were not based on "safety" in this case, but rather petty technical issues based on the wording in the Act (purely "financial" motives). Here's a brief progress report to date:
March xx, 2006
- I arrived at court 1/2 hour early and jotted down a few pointers for my motions for Continuance & Seperate Trials.
- Prosecutor met with me privately / offered deal / drop ONE Stop Sign.
- I counter-offered, BOTH stop signs "go away" (since the first citation is an "easy-win")
- "NO DEAL"!
- He stated he would object to my Seperate Trials Motion (he's no longer pleasant).
- Called in to court room: Four Cops standing there, Court Clerk, the Prosecutor (not my regular environment, lol)
- Justice enters... I promptly forget all my fancy wording!! LOL (Note to self: write down KEY words for instant recall next time)(... even forgot the word "Discovery" <dum ars>! hehe)
- 60 day Continuance was granted based on being very busy at work, AND I required at least 30 days to process two Requests under the Freedom of Information Act.
- Prosecutor was all concerned about my requests, so I said I'd forward the info to him when received.
- Then I dropped the bomb... 3 seperate trials please. Prosecuter and I bickered back and forth.. then the JP gave me the first citation "trial date", with the motion for the other two to be heard at that time (at least I get TWO trials).
- Prosecutor mumbled something irrelevant (apparently doesn't like me any more)
- I bowed, and left.
Wahoo!! First (minor) Victory
Remember, I'm not a lawyer. Most of the terminolgy I used above, was just learned since my tickets. Will follow-up...
Book'm
03-20-2006 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Bookm
- Of course the Prosecutor is going to ask for an extension if the cop doesn't show. If you don't object to it, the JP will allow it. You have to say your date is now. You are ready. Lets go! The JP now has no right to postpone and (without a witness to examine), the case will be dismissed. But without forcefull argument, the JP is forced to accept the Prosecuters request.
There has to be a little common sense applied to that tutorial (link).
Also, within that tutorial is a recommendation to aquire and study a book called "The Law of Traffic Offences", by Scott C. Hutchison. It's expensive (over $100), but discusses practical defence strategies for common Ontario Traffic violations (including speeding). It lists important Case Law for presentation to the JP at your trial. JP's and Judges will almost always follow case law.
The Bottom Line is, if you're going to defend yourself, you HAVE TO educate yourself. About ten years ago, the Provincial Offences Act was introduced to help make it simpler for "regular folks" to understand the Court process, but it's still somewhat complicated for the vast majority of citizens, like us. I choose to drive faster than the majority of others, so I consider costs for books, and on-line programs to be the price I'm willing to pay to drive how I want.
If you just clicked the link and expected a quick solution, you have not done nearly enough. If you went to court with your hands in your pocket, with absolutely no documentation, line of questioning, or defence evidence, of course you're gonna' get destroyed by the Prosecuter.
The Prosecuter will be friendly to you before trial. Don't ever think he gives a rats-ars about you though. He is your adversary. Don't forget it. He is trained in Law and has done this hundreds of times. But the JP WILL recognize that YOU are NOT, and will give you all the time and patience necessary to present your defence. But you have to put some effort in to it.
I am currenty defending myself against THREE tickets I got at ONE stop! (Hatrick!!)... Fail to Stop for Stop Sign (x2), Fail to Show Lisense. Of course I plead not-guilty to all three, as the alleged infractions were not based on "safety" in this case, but rather petty technical issues based on the wording in the Act (purely "financial" motives). Here's a brief progress report to date:
March xx, 2006
- I arrived at court 1/2 hour early and jotted down a few pointers for my motions for Continuance & Seperate Trials.
- Prosecutor met with me privately / offered deal / drop ONE Stop Sign.
- I counter-offered, BOTH stop signs "go away" (since the first citation is an "easy-win")
- "NO DEAL"!
- He stated he would object to my Seperate Trials Motion (he's no longer pleasant).
- Called in to court room: Four Cops standing there, Court Clerk, the Prosecutor (not my regular environment, lol)
- Justice enters... I promptly forget all my fancy wording!! LOL (Note to self: write down KEY words for instant recall next time)(... even forgot the word "Discovery" <dum ars>! hehe)
- 60 day Continuance was granted based on being very busy at work, AND I required at least 30 days to process two Requests under the Freedom of Information Act.
- Prosecutor was all concerned about my requests, so I said I'd forward the info to him when received.
- Then I dropped the bomb... 3 seperate trials please. Prosecuter and I bickered back and forth.. then the JP gave me the first citation "trial date", with the motion for the other two to be heard at that time (at least I get TWO trials).
- Prosecutor mumbled something irrelevant (apparently doesn't like me any more)
- I bowed, and left.
Wahoo!! First (minor) Victory
Remember, I'm not a lawyer. Most of the terminolgy I used above, was just learned since my tickets. Will follow-up...
Book'm
There has to be a little common sense applied to that tutorial (link).
Also, within that tutorial is a recommendation to aquire and study a book called "The Law of Traffic Offences", by Scott C. Hutchison. It's expensive (over $100), but discusses practical defence strategies for common Ontario Traffic violations (including speeding). It lists important Case Law for presentation to the JP at your trial. JP's and Judges will almost always follow case law.
The Bottom Line is, if you're going to defend yourself, you HAVE TO educate yourself. About ten years ago, the Provincial Offences Act was introduced to help make it simpler for "regular folks" to understand the Court process, but it's still somewhat complicated for the vast majority of citizens, like us. I choose to drive faster than the majority of others, so I consider costs for books, and on-line programs to be the price I'm willing to pay to drive how I want.
If you just clicked the link and expected a quick solution, you have not done nearly enough. If you went to court with your hands in your pocket, with absolutely no documentation, line of questioning, or defence evidence, of course you're gonna' get destroyed by the Prosecuter.
The Prosecuter will be friendly to you before trial. Don't ever think he gives a rats-ars about you though. He is your adversary. Don't forget it. He is trained in Law and has done this hundreds of times. But the JP WILL recognize that YOU are NOT, and will give you all the time and patience necessary to present your defence. But you have to put some effort in to it.
I am currenty defending myself against THREE tickets I got at ONE stop! (Hatrick!!)... Fail to Stop for Stop Sign (x2), Fail to Show Lisense. Of course I plead not-guilty to all three, as the alleged infractions were not based on "safety" in this case, but rather petty technical issues based on the wording in the Act (purely "financial" motives). Here's a brief progress report to date:
March xx, 2006
- I arrived at court 1/2 hour early and jotted down a few pointers for my motions for Continuance & Seperate Trials.
- Prosecutor met with me privately / offered deal / drop ONE Stop Sign.
- I counter-offered, BOTH stop signs "go away" (since the first citation is an "easy-win")
- "NO DEAL"!
- He stated he would object to my Seperate Trials Motion (he's no longer pleasant).
- Called in to court room: Four Cops standing there, Court Clerk, the Prosecutor (not my regular environment, lol)
- Justice enters... I promptly forget all my fancy wording!! LOL (Note to self: write down KEY words for instant recall next time)(... even forgot the word "Discovery" <dum ars>! hehe)
- 60 day Continuance was granted based on being very busy at work, AND I required at least 30 days to process two Requests under the Freedom of Information Act.
- Prosecutor was all concerned about my requests, so I said I'd forward the info to him when received.
- Then I dropped the bomb... 3 seperate trials please. Prosecuter and I bickered back and forth.. then the JP gave me the first citation "trial date", with the motion for the other two to be heard at that time (at least I get TWO trials).
- Prosecutor mumbled something irrelevant (apparently doesn't like me any more)
- I bowed, and left.
Wahoo!! First (minor) Victory
Remember, I'm not a lawyer. Most of the terminolgy I used above, was just learned since my tickets. Will follow-up...
Book'm
Sweet! Since your so good! care to help me..n come to court..n help me get this Lasor ticket dropped lol. Lets put it this way.
50km/hour zone.
2 lanes turning into one under a bridge with a turn coming up.
2 slower cars..I sped up so i could make it in, then i hit the brakes..cuz its near a school..cop gets me b4 i hit brakes.and i pulled over to the side of the road. sunny morning, late for work. Tons of traffic. car got broken into the night b4..I seriously got no sleep...and i was exausted..so i was late getting up. how do I put that into an argyement?