Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:ME4Sh.3642$Oc.186775@news1.epix.net...
>
>> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up?
>>
>
>
> '94 Silverado w/350.
>

Sounds close to mine. Mine is a 94 Silverado K1500 extended cab. Mine
has the 4.3L with 5 speed MT8 manual (at least I think that was the
designation for the transmission with the granny gear low). I let the
salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake.
A couple of years after I bought the truck, I replaced the ring and
pinions with 4.56s and what a difference that made. No loss in fuel
economy as it was lugging too much in OD (1600 RPM stock and about 2000
RPM after the swap at 55 MPH. And much better performance and in L/4L,
I can get out and walk faster than the truck moves at idle!

I noticed the first rust last fall behind the rear mudflaps. I suspect
the truck will pass inspection for at least 4 more years with no body
work and that will probably be enough for me to just drop the license
and use it for my off-road mule rather than try to fix it up and keep it
street legal. I'll be ready for a new diesel truck by then anyway!

Matt

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Ive bought a total of 4 Hyundai's ; 2 Sonatas and 2 Santa Fe's . I
would continue to buy Hyundais ; it is alot of value for the money,
reliable, and very long warranty. Stylish autos too.

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > news:ME4Sh.3642$Oc.186775@news1.epix.net...
> >
> >> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up?
> >>
> >
> >
> > '94 Silverado w/350.
> >
>
> Sounds close to mine. Mine is a 94 Silverado K1500 extended cab. Mine
> has the 4.3L with 5 speed MT8 manual (at least I think that was the
> designation for the transmission with the granny gear low).

Sorry Matt - I should also have noted that mine is a K1500 extended cab
also. Mine is an automatic though.


> I let the
> salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake.
> A couple of years after I bought the truck, I replaced the ring and
> pinions with 4.56s and what a difference that made. No loss in fuel
> economy as it was lugging too much in OD (1600 RPM stock and about 2000
> RPM after the swap at 55 MPH. And much better performance and in L/4L,
> I can get out and walk faster than the truck moves at idle!
>
> I noticed the first rust last fall behind the rear mudflaps. I suspect
> the truck will pass inspection for at least 4 more years with no body
> work and that will probably be enough for me to just drop the license
> and use it for my off-road mule rather than try to fix it up and keep it
> street legal. I'll be ready for a new diesel truck by then anyway!
>

I noticed some rust starting - just starting, last year. That was around
the cab corners, and the front fenders. This year those spots are large
holes. The lower doors and the tail gate began rusting years ago - I forget
now how many years ago. I think it must have been 7 or 8 years ago. I
repaired those areas at the time, but not by adding any sheet metal. Just
sandblasted them and applied some POR-15, then worked up from there with
normal body work. That repair was ok, for what it was, in that I got 7 or 8
years out of it for low cost. Now - the lower skins have to be replaced on
the doors and the tail gate is a goner. But - the truck is 14 years old.
It sits more than it gets driven now, except for plow season. I swear -
that's the worst thing that can happen to a vehicle. Sitting just seems to
promote rust.

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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:34:22 -0700, irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote:

>If not, what would be your choice?

I already did. Now I am close to buying my third. I guess you can
guess if I like them.

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

On Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:33:21 +0000, a rock fell from the sky, hitting Matt
Whiting on the head, and inspiring the following:

> Cons:
>
> - I wasn't that impressed with the dash and instrument layout as the
> steering wheel blocked all but one instrument when set to a comfortable
> tilt position. The wheel is too small in diameter for the layout of the
> instruments
> - The console was too bulky and too gimmicky - The grab handle on the
> windshield pillar was annoying and blocked my vision.
> - The mirrors are huge and also blocked side vision. - The truck sits
> very high (like a 3/4 ton) which I don't find attractive in a 1/2 ton
> truck. It was hard to climb into. If I wanted a 3/4 ton truck I'd buy
> one.

I know this is way OT, but I've read more than once that the Toyota
tundra 1/2ton probably will also be their 3/4 ton and...


> - No availability of a diesel engine


....that they're in talks with Caterpiller to supply a diesel to the truck
in the next year or so. One magazine even commented how a Cummins,
Duramax or a Navistar could easily fit in the 1/2 ton engine bay - even
with an Allison or other HD tranny behind.


So, is Hyundai coming out with a diesel truck? :P


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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:yJgSh.3667$Oc.187036@news1.epix.net...
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ME4Sh.3642$Oc.186775@news1.epix.net...
>>>
>>>> What make/model is the truck you are fixing up?
>>>>
>>>
>>> '94 Silverado w/350.
>>>
>> Sounds close to mine. Mine is a 94 Silverado K1500 extended cab. Mine
>> has the 4.3L with 5 speed MT8 manual (at least I think that was the
>> designation for the transmission with the granny gear low).
>
> Sorry Matt - I should also have noted that mine is a K1500 extended cab
> also. Mine is an automatic though.

That explains it! Automatics rust a lot faster than standards! :-)


>> I let the
>> salesman talk me out of the 4.10 axles for 3.73s and that was a mistake.
>> A couple of years after I bought the truck, I replaced the ring and
>> pinions with 4.56s and what a difference that made. No loss in fuel
>> economy as it was lugging too much in OD (1600 RPM stock and about 2000
>> RPM after the swap at 55 MPH. And much better performance and in L/4L,
>> I can get out and walk faster than the truck moves at idle!
>>
>> I noticed the first rust last fall behind the rear mudflaps. I suspect
>> the truck will pass inspection for at least 4 more years with no body
>> work and that will probably be enough for me to just drop the license
>> and use it for my off-road mule rather than try to fix it up and keep it
>> street legal. I'll be ready for a new diesel truck by then anyway!
>>
>
> I noticed some rust starting - just starting, last year. That was around
> the cab corners, and the front fenders. This year those spots are large
> holes. The lower doors and the tail gate began rusting years ago - I forget
> now how many years ago. I think it must have been 7 or 8 years ago. I
> repaired those areas at the time, but not by adding any sheet metal. Just
> sandblasted them and applied some POR-15, then worked up from there with
> normal body work. That repair was ok, for what it was, in that I got 7 or 8
> years out of it for low cost. Now - the lower skins have to be replaced on
> the doors and the tail gate is a goner. But - the truck is 14 years old.
> It sits more than it gets driven now, except for plow season. I swear -
> that's the worst thing that can happen to a vehicle. Sitting just seems to
> promote rust.

I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at
least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give
me a pretty good inspection. The main rust is on the rear bumper,
particularly behind the exhaust pipe on the passenger side. The frame
is getting a fair bit of rust, but the underbody looks like new. I
inspect that pretty well every 10K miles when I put it up on jack stands
to rotate the tires and grease it.

I wonder why yours has rusted out so much faster than mine. I do have a
cap on mine which has been on it since it was new so that keeps the rain
out of the bed and off the inside of the tailgate, so maybe that has
helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but
I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing.

Mine had rust behind the rear wheels where the holes were drilled for
the mud flaps. The original screws had rusted away and the paint was
flaking around the holes. I greased up the holes again as I did when I
first installed the mud flaps and replaced the original self-tapping
sheet metal screws with SS bolts, washers and nuts. I suspect the
fender will rust away now before I need to replace the mud flap bolts!
I probably should have used SS hardware in the beginning and maybe the
loose bolts wouldn't have worked the paint loose.

Matt

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Reply to message from Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> (Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:
20:05) about "Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?":


MW> I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end
MW> self- destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping
MW> them with Honda! What an insult to GM.

Haha ... I was actually ranking them in the reverse to you, for much the
same reasons that the real car mags (C&D, R&T, etc.) and the useless (as
far as cars are concerned, unless you are a soccer mom) Consumer
Reports. ;-)

Best Regards
Wayne Moses <wmoses@houston.rr.com> Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:28:37 -0500

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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
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>
> I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at
> least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give
> me a pretty good inspection. The main rust is on the rear bumper,
> particularly behind the exhaust pipe on the passenger side. The frame
> is getting a fair bit of rust, but the underbody looks like new. I
> inspect that pretty well every 10K miles when I put it up on jack stands
> to rotate the tires and grease it.
>
> I wonder why yours has rusted out so much faster than mine. I do have a
> cap on mine which has been on it since it was new so that keeps the rain
> out of the bed and off the inside of the tailgate, so maybe that has
> helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but
> I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing.

One word - New York State Winters.

I have a cap on mine also and before I had the cap, it always had a toneau
cover on the box.



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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Wayne Moses wrote:
> Reply to message from Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> (Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:
> 20:05) about "Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?":
>
>
> MW> I agree. After the new 84 Accord that I bought when had its top-end
> MW> self- destruct at 72,000 miles, I would never insult GM by lumping
> MW> them with Honda! What an insult to GM.
>
> Haha ... I was actually ranking them in the reverse to you, for much the
> same reasons that the real car mags (C&D, R&T, etc.) and the useless (as
> far as cars are concerned, unless you are a soccer mom) Consumer
> Reports. ;-)

None of those magazines look at reliability and CR only does through
user surveys, not their own long-term tests.

My Accord self-destructed at 72,000 miles and required replacement of
the cam and all 16 rocker arms and had metal circulated through the
engine for several miles before it finally completely failed. It was
making noise at 60,000 and I had the dealership listen to it and they
pronounced it normal.

What really irked me was the treatment by Honda. The dealer of course
said it was out of warranty, which it was, but also agreed with me that
this shouldn't have happened. I sent a letter to Honda as the repair
was something like $600 and I didn't have a lot of money in those days.
I thought they might at least meet me halfway and provide the parts
and I'd pay the labor as each was about half the total. Instead, they
sent me a letter (which I think I still have in my files) accusing me of
not maintaining the car properly as the failure appeared to be
lubrication related. This was really dumb on their part as I keep a log
in all of my vehicles and record EVERYTHING including every gas purchase
and I keep a running MPG tally on every tank. I had probably 30 pages
in the book by then so I copied them all and sent them to Honda. I also
sent copies of my receipts for all of the genuine Honda oil filters I
had purchased and the Mobil 1 oil that I used. They did something even
more stupid and wrote a second letter stating that it "appeared" that I
had maintained the vehicle properly but that the engine was out of
warranty and in any event they considered 72,000 miles of service life
to be within "normal manufacturing variance."

Well, I've never had an engine fail that completely before or since and
I don't consider 72,000 miles to be acceptable life for a modern engine
so I decided at that point that Honda's standards simply weren't high
enough for me. I haven't bought a Honda since and never will again.
I've bought five new vehicles since then and Honda could have had
probably three of those sales and maybe more now that they have a
pickup. So, they lost 3-5 new vehicle sales because they wouldn't stand
behind their product with $300 in parts. So, their business sense is as
bad as their consumer affairs.


Matt

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> news:eXySh.3685$Oc.188300@news1.epix.net...
>
>> I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at
>> least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give
>> me a pretty good inspection. The main rust is on the rear bumper,
>> particularly behind the exhaust pipe on the passenger side. The frame
>> is getting a fair bit of rust, but the underbody looks like new. I
>> inspect that pretty well every 10K miles when I put it up on jack stands
>> to rotate the tires and grease it.
>>
>> I wonder why yours has rusted out so much faster than mine. I do have a
>> cap on mine which has been on it since it was new so that keeps the rain
>> out of the bed and off the inside of the tailgate, so maybe that has
>> helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but
>> I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing.
>
> One word - New York State Winters.

I drive mostly in NY also. I commute from Lawrenceville, PA to Corning
every day which is 5 miles in PA and 15 in NY and PA uses about as much
salt as does NY and a lot more cinders which is harder on the paint.
Maybe I just got lucky or maybe keeping it in the garage has helped.

Matt

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:_iKSh.3692$Oc.188851@news1.epix.net...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> > news:eXySh.3685$Oc.188300@news1.epix.net...
> >
> >> I had no rust last year on the front fenders, doors or tailgate, at
> >> least nothing visible when I waxed the truck. And waxing tends to give
> >> me a pretty good inspection. The main rust is on the rear bumper,
> >> particularly behind the exhaust pipe on the passenger side. The frame
> >> is getting a fair bit of rust, but the underbody looks like new. I
> >> inspect that pretty well every 10K miles when I put it up on jack
stands
> >> to rotate the tires and grease it.
> >>
> >> I wonder why yours has rusted out so much faster than mine. I do have
a
> >> cap on mine which has been on it since it was new so that keeps the
rain
> >> out of the bed and off the inside of the tailgate, so maybe that has
> >> helped. Also, the truck has been garaged almost its entire life, but
> >> I'm not sure that garaging a vehicle in the winter is a good thing.
> >
> > One word - New York State Winters.
>
> I drive mostly in NY also. I commute from Lawrenceville, PA to Corning
> every day which is 5 miles in PA and 15 in NY and PA uses about as much
> salt as does NY and a lot more cinders which is harder on the paint.
> Maybe I just got lucky or maybe keeping it in the garage has helped.
>
> Matt

I'm upstate, north of Syracuse. Much different winter up here than in the
southern tier. Much different.

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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

Yes, I have a 2006 sonata. It has 55,000 miles on it and has had no repairs.
It is a great car

"irwell" <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If not, what would be your choice?

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:76md13d4gadl2v0q7ls94u2n5qggm1ipmk@4ax.com:

> If not, what would be your choice?

Our family owns several Sonatas and love them. We still have a 1989 GL
with over 311K miles on it, and it runs great, all the power stuff works,
etc. We have a '99 GLS with 100K and a 2001 GLS with 60K.

We won't be buying more anytime soon soon; that should be a plug-in or
hybrid by the time we do, but we expect it to be Hynudai.

Harry

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Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:34:22 -0700, irwell <hook@yahoo.com> wrote:

>If not, what would be your choice?

replaced 99 Accent with 2006 Elantra hatchback. Wondering what I will
replace the Elantra with as they drop the hatchback option adnd I
don't need the SUV drop in performance. maybe a Tiburon as I can get
a manual trans with a decent engine but the back seat is small. I'll
just have to see if Hyundai gets smarter in the next couple of years.
(35K+ miles / yr)

Re: Would you buy another Hyundai?
 

At this point, I'd have to say "it remains to be seen". I bought my first
Hyundai, an '07 Elantra, about 2 months ago and had to have it towed in to
the dealer last Monday as it appears the anti-theft kill switch wasn't
disengaging. The dealer says this is a minor repair, it's covered under
warranty (including the tow) and they'll have it fixed by Friday (waiting on
a part). All this is fine as long as it's not an omen of things to come.
Reliability is very critical IMHO, plus in all other ways the car seems
pretty terrific.

A.