synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Jody wrote:
>>>
>>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff,
>>> etc. Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped
>>> somewhere along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again
>>> it may.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>>> filters, and brakes for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech
>> is skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of
>> that. I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that
>> mean I'm skimping?
>
>
> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
> practices.
You know what they say about assuming...
It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
is good enough for Hyundai.
> Brian Nystrom wrote:
>
>> Matt Whiting wrote:
>>
>>> Jody wrote:
>>>
>>>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary
>>> rather dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the
>>> real issue is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered
>>> before packaging, how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well
>>> the QA tests are done to ensure that every batch is up to snuff,
>>> etc. Low cost producers of many products generally have skimped
>>> somewhere along the line. This may never cause a problem, then again
>>> it may.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
>>> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
>>> filters, and brakes for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech
>> is skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of
>> that. I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that
>> mean I'm skimping?
>
>
> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
> practices.
You know what they say about assuming...
It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
is good enough for Hyundai.
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
wrote:
>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>issue with modern oils?
Excellent point!
Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
standards metrics were primitive.
Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
bottlers must comply or die. We win!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:21:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:21:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 23:21:06 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
>Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts business
>practices.
We're not talking about ideology. Just oil. Oil has no business model, no
employees, and no politics. It just sits there and does its job without
complaint.
Hey, oil has it pretty good!
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 14:41:01 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
wrote:
>You know what they say about assuming...
>
>It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
>the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
>oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
>name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
>quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
>virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
>is good enough for Hyundai.
I've heard chatter that the V6 was designed for 300K miles. The 300K was
(allegedly) specified by Daimler-Chrysler, who will (Again, allegedly!) be
using some Hyundai engines in their cars.
God forbid my engine lasts that long. I want it to die at 10 years of 150K,
whichever comes first. I don't want a beat-up old geriatric car in my garage
that runs like new, because how do you justify a new one?
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
> Matt Whiting wrote:
>> Yes, I do make that assumption knowing a little about Wal-Marts
>> business practices.
>
>
> You know what they say about assuming...
My assumption is made on knowing a little bit about Wally World.
> It's popular to bash Walmart these days and some of it is deserved, but
> the truth is that they sell a lot of high quality products. Supertech
> oil is API certified and it comes from the same source as other brand
> name oils. The analysis I've seen of it indicates that's it equivalent
> quality to other brands. Considering that it's a synthetic, it's
> virtually guaranteed to be superior in protection to the dino oil that
> is good enough for Hyundai.
Yes, I would agree that cheap synthetic is better than even high quality
dino oil, but again that assumes that the cheap synthetic is passing at
last basic quality control tests. If metal filings from a refinery
problem get out due to poor QA, then your in trouble synthetic or not.
I'm not nearly as worried about the "normal" batch of cheap oil as I am
the batch that gets through the poorer QA system of generic suppliers.
And this just an oil issue, it is true with many generic products,
especially those without some independent oversight such as FDA, etc.
Matt
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
>
>
> Excellent point!
>
> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
>
> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
>
>
> Excellent point!
>
> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
>
> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
>
>
> Excellent point!
>
> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
>
> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:53:53 GMT, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
>>ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
>>issue with modern oils?
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> Excellent point!
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> Once upon a time when we all had dark hair, there was a wide difference in
> oil quality. Some was pretty good, some was bilge sludge.
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> Now, I bet there's VERY LITTLE difference from the best to the worst. Almost
> imperceptible! Certainly not enough to get our shorts in a wad about.
Sorry, but I've seen test data (from the source I've mentioned here
several times before - MCN) that shows the above statement to be
patently false. There was a wide range of data in virtually every
parameter of the oil that was tested.
Some oils have far better additive packages than others, and the
correlation wasn't perfect with price and brand name, but it was
significantly correlated.
> This is the result of STANDARDS. SAE used to rule the roost, and their
> standards metrics were primitive.
Standards in most cases provide only a minimum (or ocasionally a maximum
to prevent catcon poisoning) requirement. They don't ensure equality at
all. The Air Force has a minium height standard for its pilots (and a
maximum as well). Do you you really think this standard means that all
pilots in the Air Force are the same height?
> Now,,, there are several standards testing bodies in the fray, and the oil
> bottlers must comply or die. We win!
Ha, ha, ha. This is funnny.
Matt