synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
#46
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
"Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
Matt,
I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
"This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
ability or flow information."
Chris
http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
Matt,
I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
"This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
ability or flow information."
Chris
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
#48
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
#49
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
On 28 Mar 2006 09:57:05 -0800, halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
>I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
>problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
>and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
>down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside.
Chris,
I thought SuperTech filters were made by Champion Labs. Maybe I'm behind the
times, as usual.
--
Bob
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
> Jody wrote:
>
>> i guess the name brands have speacial oil wells?
>
>
> Well, now that you mention it, the quality of crude oil does vary rather
> dramatically depending on where it comes from. However, the real issue
> is the additive packages, how well the oil is filtered before packaging,
> how clean the oil handling equipment is, how well the QA tests are done
> to ensure that every batch is up to snuff, etc. Low cost producers of
> many products generally have skimped somewhere along the line. This may
> never cause a problem, then again it may.
>
> Personally, I think that there are a few areas with respect to car
> maintenance and repair that shouldn't be skimped on. Tires, oil, oil
> filters, and brakes for example.
You're making the assumption that using low-priced oil like Supertech is
skimping and that higher priced oil isn't. There is no evidence of that.
I just bought some Pennzoil for less than Supertech. Does that mean I'm
skimping?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
#55
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Matt Whiting wrote:
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
> That is the only legitimate question, I agree. However, the MSDS
> doesn't tell you what is in the bottle, it tells you what is supposed to
> be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
> isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle.
So if a problem doesn't exist, you'll just make one up to justify your
position? Give me a break.
> And, yes, I
> actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
> of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
> destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
> their factory.
And that happened how long ago? IIRC, that was something like 25 years
ago and the problem was corrected. Have you heard of even ONE quality
issue with modern oils?
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
#57
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Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
Bob Adkins wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:42:20 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>>I never claimed it did and specifically said above that brand name (and
>>labeled) products should be the same everywhere. If you really believe
>>that store brand products are exactly the same as brand name products
>>other than the label, then that is your prerogative.
>
>
> I don't think Pennzoil/QS or Shell or any other supplier would create a
> blend just for Wal-Mart. That wouldn't make economic sense at all when there
> are already excellent blends to choose from. SuperTech oil is simply
> re-labeled oil that is identical to some other oil. The question is, which
> one? Hint: It's a premium oil that meets all the latest API, SAE, ASTM Etc.
> specs.
It makes tons of sense. Wal-Mart is probably one of their largest
customers. If they can save 5 cents a quart by cutting back on the
additive package, that makes loads of economic sense. And it is well
known that Wal-Mart squeezes its suppliers on price like no other
company. Read the business press a little and you'll see they are
legendary for this. And if you think their supplies don't cut corners
to lower their price and keep their business, you don't know much about
business.
>
>>>The only legitimate question is, what's in the SuperTech bottle? The MSDS
>>>sheet says Pennzoil/Quaker state. Not exactly chopped liver.
>
>
>
>>be in the bottle. Poor QA may well mean that what is in the bottle
>>isn't exactly what is supposed to be in the bottle. And, yes, I
>>actually do consider Pennzoil and Quaker State to be the chopped liver
>>of oil brands. Quaker State is one of the few oil producers that
>>destroyed a bunch of engines due to poor QA that let bad oil get out of
>>their factory.
>
>
> So, you believe every oil maker except for Pennzoil/QS is immune to QA
> problems? Well I've got news for ya!
Nope, but given a choice between a company that had a documented problem
and one's that haven't, and a company being squeezed on cost by Wal-Mart
and one that isn't, I'll take the latter every time. :-)
> It comes down to trusting a label. I think Wal-Mart has just as much
> integrity as the next re-seller of bulk-blended oil. In fact, Wal-Mart's QA
> program probably strikes more fear into the oil companies than any other
> outlet. After all, Wal-Mart is probably their most important customer.
Ha, ha, ha. Wal-Mart has no incoming QA program. They put EVERYTHING
back on their vendors. Read a little about Wal-Mart's business
practices. It is very enlightening.
> Matt, we've got to be careful today. A person can praise one brand very
> highly and smear another viciously and be embarrassed to find they are
> different in name only.
Yes, that is always possible.
> We have huge oil bottlers that specialize in economically bottling oil for
> many customers. In order to reduce overhead, I'm sure their inventory
> consists of dozens fewer actual formulations than there are brands. And it's
> subject to change from time to time.
Yes, and they also try to make the lowest common product they can get
away with.
> That brings to mind a neighbor that used to tell me my riding mower was
> junk, and his brand was the highest of quality. One day I took a close look
> at his mower, and the only difference in the 2 were the paint job. I really
> had some fun with that one!
I agree, most cheap lawn mowers are made by just a couple of companys.
That is why I buy John Deere equipment. So far at least, I've gotten
quality products.
> Moral: Research thoroughly (not just old information) before saying one oil
> is inferior to another.
I've researched as thoroughly as I can.
Matt
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
> "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
>
> Matt,
>
> I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
> problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
> and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
> down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
> this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
>
> I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
> lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
> called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
> signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
> start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
> look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
> the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
> "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
> ability or flow information."
I agree. I've looked at several sources of information, mostly on the
web as I can't find it elsewhere. Supertech is consistently substandard
as are the standard Fram filters and many other brands.
Matt
> "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
>
> Matt,
>
> I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
> problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
> and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
> down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
> this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
>
> I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
> lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
> called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
> signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
> start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
> look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
> the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
> "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
> ability or flow information."
I agree. I've looked at several sources of information, mostly on the
web as I can't find it elsewhere. Supertech is consistently substandard
as are the standard Fram filters and many other brands.
Matt
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: synthetic oil for 06 Sonata V-6
halatos2000@gmail.com wrote:
> "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
>
> Matt,
>
> I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
> problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
> and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
> down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
> this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
>
> I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
> lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
> called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
> signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
> start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
> look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
> the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
> "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
> ability or flow information."
I agree. I've looked at several sources of information, mostly on the
web as I can't find it elsewhere. Supertech is consistently substandard
as are the standard Fram filters and many other brands.
Matt
> "Wal-Mart Supertech oil filters are junk, see below and other places:
> http://www.ntpog.org/reviews/filters/filters.shtml "
>
> Matt,
>
> I've been using the super tech filters for years without a single
> problem. They are made by STP. If you open up the box on a bosch, STP
> and a super tech filter you will see that the canister is identical
> down to the letter stampings, save for the label on the outside. In
> this respect I agree with Mr. Bartsch.
>
> I would question the integrity of information on a website that only
> lists one type of filter to avoid, and completely misses the trainwreck
> called "Fram". Fram filters made since they were acquired by allied
> signal are the ones to avoid. I had one of those blow up on a cold
> start one morning. I've never had a super tech leak or fail. One need
> look no further than the disclaimer at the top of the page to see that
> the information you have posted a link to is meant to be questioned:
> "This review contains no SAE or ASTM test data regarding filtration
> ability or flow information."
I agree. I've looked at several sources of information, mostly on the
web as I can't find it elsewhere. Supertech is consistently substandard
as are the standard Fram filters and many other brands.
Matt