Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "PMDR" <kikaiju@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> First gear go go go
>>
>> Shift (no engine power for FAR too long)
>>
>> (dump truck runs over you while you sit there helpless)
>>
>> Second gear engages.
>>
>> The only solution I've found for that is to just floor the thing in
>> first and it powers through that shift point. This is not always
>> practical.
>
> I find that to be a PITA first thing in the morning when still cold. I pull
> out of my driveway and turn up a hill and it just sort of hangs for a few
> seconds when it shifts. I've not tried to manually shift it to see if it is
> any better.
>
>
> Seems to be a long lag when going from drive to reverse also. Another minor
> PITA when backing out of a parking space, or when backing into my driveway
> when there is a car coming up behind me.

If "drive-by-wire" is that much of a pain, I think I'll stick with cars
with mechanical throttle controls. ;-)

One would think that this should all be correctable with a simple
software change. I wonder what's taking Hyundai so long to deal with it?

 

Brian Nystrom wrote:
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> "PMDR" <kikaiju@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> First gear go go go
>>>
>>> Shift (no engine power for FAR too long)
>>>
>>> (dump truck runs over you while you sit there helpless)
>>>
>>> Second gear engages.
>>>
>>> The only solution I've found for that is to just floor the thing in
>>> first and it powers through that shift point. This is not always
>>> practical.
>>
>>
>> I find that to be a PITA first thing in the morning when still cold.
>> I pull out of my driveway and turn up a hill and it just sort of hangs
>> for a few seconds when it shifts. I've not tried to manually shift it
>> to see if it is any better.
>>
>>
>> Seems to be a long lag when going from drive to reverse also. Another
>> minor PITA when backing out of a parking space, or when backing into
>> my driveway when there is a car coming up behind me.
>
>
> If "drive-by-wire" is that much of a pain, I think I'll stick with cars
> with mechanical throttle controls. ;-)

That would be my preference, but the Sonata doesn't list a mechanical
throttle linkage as an option! :-)


> One would think that this should all be correctable with a simple
> software change. I wonder what's taking Hyundai so long to deal with it?

My thought as well. This should be trivial to fix.

Matt

 

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> scribbled:

> What year and engine in the Grand Am? I get them for rental cars
> often and the throttle isn't even close to being as touchy as my
> Sonata.
>
> Matt
>

2003 GT (V6)3.4L.
All the torque when you just barely tap on the pedal.As you push farther,
not much more power with that engine. I think it's only 185 ponies in it.

 

Don P. wrote:
> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> scribbled:
>
>
>>What year and engine in the Grand Am? I get them for rental cars
>>often and the throttle isn't even close to being as touchy as my
>>Sonata.
>>
>>Matt
>>
>
>
> 2003 GT (V6)3.4L.
> All the torque when you just barely tap on the pedal.As you push farther,
> not much more power with that engine. I think it's only 185 ponies in it.
>

I've never had a GT version as a rental, but all have had the V-6
engine. I found the throttle on them fairly stiff, about the same as my
Chrysler minivans. The pickup off the line was good to be sure, but it
took a fair bit of throttle pressure to get that performance. The
Sonata on the other hand has almost no throttle feel at all. If I have
my normal New Balance sneakers on, I almost can't feel either the
throttle or the clutch. I have to drive barefoot to get any decent feel
of the throttle. Now my Chevy truck on the other hand is just the
opposite. Both throttle and clutch take a fair bit of pressure, but
then trucks are made to be driven with boots on and you need that
pressure for feedback. My minivan is in between the truck and the
Sonata with respect to throttle pressure. I don't know what the values
are in pouns, but I don't think the Sonata takes more than 2-3 lbs of
force to move the throttle. I'd guess my truck is 15-20 lbs and my
minivan probably 8-12, but these are just wild guess as I don't have any
easy way to measure the force required. It would be fun to know though.


Matt

 

>If "drive-by-wire" is that much of a pain, I think I'll stick with cars
>with mechanical throttle controls. ;-)

I would like EVERYTHING manual except the transmission.

But, I think ESC requires an electronic throttle.

BTW, my throttle and shifting are fine. Not too sensitive, not too
numb. Or, maybe the last 2-3 vehicles I have owned have all had
similar throttles and I'm used to it.
-

Bob

 

Bob Adkins wrote:
>> If "drive-by-wire" is that much of a pain, I think I'll stick with cars
>> with mechanical throttle controls. ;-)
>
> I would like EVERYTHING manual except the transmission.
>
> But, I think ESC requires an electronic throttle.

If so, I'll pass on that, too.

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:tZT2h.874$7F3.55@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com.. .
>
> Since my original post, I had the fellow at work drive my car this
> afternoon. He said it was the same sensitivity as his former Sonata. He
> would sometimes spin the wheels at a stop sign and his wife was afraid to
> drive it once the snow starts to fall. I've only had a few instances
> where I did accelerate faster than intended. Not unsafe or wheel
> spinning, but it does take a very light touch compared to other
> cars/trucks I drive on a regular basis. . I think it could be fine tuned
> a bit.

I'm glad you posted this since I am having the same experience with a 2004
3.5L Santa Fe that I just bought. I thought I wanted the bigger engine for
safety reasons in case I ever need to accelerate quickly while entering
traffic etc. I bought 4WD because I want to have that available for driving
in snow but I can already see myself just spinning wheels every I try to
start out on snow-filled roads.

Everyone keeps telling me "maybe you just have to get used to it" but it's
been about 2 weeks so far and that's not happening. I have been driving for
41 years, have driven many different vehicles and trucks, and even have a
job now where I have to drive 6 or 7 different vehicles from a fleet -- and
I never experienced this in any other vehicles. I am actually thinking of
selling the Santa Fe that I just bought and either buying a 2.7L or looking
at other 4WD vehicles.

One thing I have figured out helps a little. I place my foot on the gas
pedal where it is unusually high up on the pedal and I am able to modulate
the startups a little better, but it's still a pain to have to deal with.

 

"BETA-2K" <BETA-2K@betabcghfdsa.cba> wrote in message
>
> I'm glad you posted this since I am having the same experience with a 2004
> 3.5L Santa Fe that I just bought.
> Everyone keeps telling me "maybe you just have to get used to it" but it's
> been about 2 weeks so far and that's not happening. I have been driving
> for 41 years, have driven many different vehicles and trucks,

I'm not going to sell the car because of it and I don't have a "serious"
problem, but . . . . . .

Anything that comes up with so many people not liking the sensitivity must
mean something. In 45 years of driving, there have been some touchy
clutches, touchy brakes, etc. My wife has little wheel time so far on the
Sonata, but she feels it is very sensitive. Perhaps is can somehow be
adjusted, just like the mouse sensitivity on your computer. That would be
nice.

If enough people mention it, perhaps Hyundai will take a new look at the
throttle setup.

 

I've done that several times with my XG350 05 model Never did know what was
causing it. Could be a problem in snow country.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> "BETA-2K" <BETA-2K@betabcghfdsa.cba> wrote in message
>>
>> I'm glad you posted this since I am having the same experience with a
>> 2004 3.5L Santa Fe that I just bought.
>> Everyone keeps telling me "maybe you just have to get used to it" but
>> it's been about 2 weeks so far and that's not happening. I have been
>> driving for 41 years, have driven many different vehicles and trucks,
>
> I'm not going to sell the car because of it and I don't have a "serious"
> problem, but . . . . . .
>
> Anything that comes up with so many people not liking the sensitivity must
> mean something. In 45 years of driving, there have been some touchy
> clutches, touchy brakes, etc. My wife has little wheel time so far on
> the Sonata, but she feels it is very sensitive. Perhaps is can somehow be
> adjusted, just like the mouse sensitivity on your computer. That would be
> nice.
>
> If enough people mention it, perhaps Hyundai will take a new look at the
> throttle setup.
>

 

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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>
> If enough people mention it, perhaps Hyundai will take a new look at the
> throttle setup.

Hopefully, someone at Hyundai has the job of tracking online Hyundai-related
newsgroups such as this one. It's free and uncensored public feedback, and
it provides the kind of information that companies pay PR firms to collect
through focus groups, surveys, etc.