Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>
>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>> wages
>> and benefits.
>
> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>
> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>
> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
> hope to compete with them.
The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
Americans out of work.
I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
the answer nor is protectionism.
Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
Jack Cassidy
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Rob wrote:
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Rob wrote:
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
Rob wrote:
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
> "James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>>wages
>>>and benefits.
>>
>>That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>>getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>>The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>>pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>>unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>>partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>>abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>>social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>>We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>>with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>>government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>>you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>>hope to compete with them.
>>
>
>
> So you want the U.S. Government to TELL other industries in other countries
> how much to pa their workers? What kind of benefits to give their workers?
> Like it our not the U.S. high standard of living created high wages, now
> other Countries have the capability to compete without the expense. In time
> as their standard of living increases so will the cost of business.
It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
What goes around, comes around.
Matt
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
>
> It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
> months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
> their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
>
> What goes around, comes around.
>
> Matt
It is the same in all industries! The IT field is seeing jobs
outsourced to Bangalore in India outsourced to places like China.
Infact giants like Infosys already have their own centers in China
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
>
> It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
> months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
> their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
>
> What goes around, comes around.
>
> Matt
It is the same in all industries! The IT field is seeing jobs
outsourced to Bangalore in India outsourced to places like China.
Infact giants like Infosys already have their own centers in China
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
>
> It's already happening. I've read two articles in the last couple of
> months about China outsourcing to other countries such as Vietnam as
> their labor costs are getting too high. :-)
>
> What goes around, comes around.
>
> Matt
It is the same in all industries! The IT field is seeing jobs
outsourced to Bangalore in India outsourced to places like China.
Infact giants like Infosys already have their own centers in China
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:46:55 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:46:55 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
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Re: Hyundais cost/car versus The Big 3 American Car Manufacturers
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:46:55 GMT, "Jack Cassidy"
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
<Jacapat2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"James" <wimpyVO2max@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1151883826.954627.252710@m73g2000cwd.googleg roups.com...
>> Jack Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> The same thing killed the steel industry in this country, High union
>>> wages
>>> and benefits.
>>
>> That's what they'd like you to think, and they've done a good job
>> getting a lot of people to believe it.
>>
>> The major factor that has hurt American manufacturing is not unions,
>> pensions, labor cost or healthcare. In reality it is our government's
>> unwillingness to insist on a level playing field with our trading
>> partners. We allow free trade even though our partners choose to not
>> abide by similar environmental regulations, overtime, labor rules,
>> social security, safety regulations, and so on.
>>
>> We can de-unionize every job in America and we still cannot compete
>> with Asia because they don't abide by the same rules as we do. If the
>> government were to have some backbone and say, no more free trade until
>> you treat the environment and your workers better, only then could we
>> hope to compete with them.
>
>The only problem with your theory is the rust belt Northeast part of this
>country became the rustbelt before the free trade agreements. Companies like
>Mack Truck left Pennsylvania to move down south, not out of the country. The
>problem remains today, The south has always had lower non-union wages. Do
>the foreign auto makers that produce cars in this country have UAW workers?
>Then we have things like the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC)
>that guarantee companies that move out of the US to banana republics that
>they will not lose money if nationalized by these governments. We are
>literally guaranteeing the success of companies that leave here and put
>Americans out of work.
>I don't know what the solution is, I don't think de-unionizing all jobs is
>the answer nor is protectionism.
>Unions were in large part responsible for creation of the middle class in
>this country, but the management decided they would rather rob the union
>members than protect them. And if we protect our industries from foreign
>competition we end up with products that nobody wants, Remember the junk
>Detroit produced in the 70's and 80's? Toyota was a wake up call.
>Jack Cassidy
>
If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
workers leave.
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>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>workers leave.
Bingo!
Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
could, nobody would want them.
All kidding aside, if the unions keep growing, we are heading more and more
toward a French-like society. <shudder!>
--
Bob
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>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>workers leave.
Bingo!
Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
could, nobody would want them.
All kidding aside, if the unions keep growing, we are heading more and more
toward a French-like society. <shudder!>
--
Bob
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>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>workers leave.
Bingo!
Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
could, nobody would want them.
All kidding aside, if the unions keep growing, we are heading more and more
toward a French-like society. <shudder!>
--
Bob
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"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>workers leave.
>
>
> Bingo!
>
> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
> could, nobody would want them.
<snipped>
I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
during the winter months.
Hell, at least they're not Canadians
Jack Cassidy
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"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
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>
>>If you want to pick Unions to go after it's the public employee
>>unions. They get their raises, paid benefits and more holidays than I
>>can name but the manufacturing sector get's the bill. NY is the
>>leader in this but seveal other states are not far behind.
>>manufactuing wages have been on a steady decline as jobs left but
>>government wages (direct and indirect) have been growing at more than
>>the inflation rate. The result has been taxes growng at more than the
>>inflation rate and the greying of the state as the early to mid career
>>workers leave.
>
>
> Bingo!
>
> Unfortunately, NY can't close up shop and move down South. Even if they
> could, nobody would want them.
<snipped>
I can see you've never been to Spring Hill, Florida. <g>
Just about everyone there is either from New York or Michigan, Especially
during the winter months.
Hell, at least they're not Canadians
Jack Cassidy