How to up MILEAGE ON HYUNDAI???
05-29-2004, 09:31 AM
#31
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:33:18 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>
>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>body and the filter box.
>
>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>filter box.
There is a second resonator between the MAF and the TB. That one
doesn't do anything. As was said, removing the first resonator can
make a difference.
<brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>
>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>body and the filter box.
>
>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>filter box.
There is a second resonator between the MAF and the TB. That one
doesn't do anything. As was said, removing the first resonator can
make a difference.
05-29-2004, 11:44 AM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>
>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>body and the filter box.
>
>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>filter box.
ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
did you remove in this drawing?
http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>
>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>body and the filter box.
>
>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>filter box.
ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
did you remove in this drawing?
http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
05-29-2004, 08:39 PM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2004 09:33:18 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>
>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>body and the filter box.
>>
>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>filter box.
>
>
> There is a second resonator between the MAF and the TB. That one
> doesn't do anything. As was said, removing the first resonator can
> make a difference.
Right, there's one on the "elbow" of the pipe connecting the throttle
body and the MAF. I'm curious about it's function. I hope it's strictly
noise suppression, since that pipe will be replaced once I find a CAI
that will provide better flow than stock without compromising filtration
quality.
05-29-2004, 08:47 PM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>
>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>body and the filter box.
>>
>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>filter box.
>
>
>
> ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
> did you remove in this drawing?
> http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
What I removed is everything downstream of part# 28210. That includes
the resonator/flex pipe assembly #28210f and it's snorkel-like extension
# 28214g.
06-02-2004, 02:06 AM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
It should be pointed out that a 100 000k in Canada is just than.. Kilometers
is the K thing in Canada.. Which would be right around 63000 miles..
Tim
"Terry & Patricia Swinamer" <tpswinamer@bwr.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:VhQqc.43303$kc2.650165@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> My wife uses the car for work. She's a private conveyor for school
> children.So the car is driven a lot. The tires were replaced because of
the
> premature wearing of the ball joints. Second time because of a rim problem
> that wore them unevenly. ( the car vibrated at about 60mph.) They replaced
> rims and tires. It worked. Maybe it is a Canada thing. All of the listed
> items were dealer repaired under warranty. Which is a very good thing. I
> wish they would clear up the 2-3 upshift flare, I really want a sonata
when
> I trade in, but im afraid to take the risk
>
> Terry
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
> news:eDoqc.19781$hH.481241@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Terry & Patricia Swinamer wrote:
> >
> > > Not trying to start a war here.
> >
> > I understand that.
> >
> > > All Im going on is the experience Ive had
> > > with my 2002 Elantra. Its been bad from the get go. Hyundai Canada is
> not
> > > taking me seriously, or the cars quality, I can assure you that. Maybe
I
> got
> > > a bad one, but its been in the shop more than out. When I hear about
> them
> > > fudging the gas milage ratings and ignoring problems like the 2-3
> upshift
> > > flare, it makes me angry. The car is beautiful, and Hyundais
reputation
> has
> > > improved greatly, but until they FIX actual problems rather than
> explaining
> > > them as normal operation, they wont move ahead.
> >
> > Perhaps this is an issue with Hyundai Canada? All I can say is that
> > Hyundai USA has been really good to me, including covering one large
> > repair when the car (a '94 Excel) was 4K miles out of warranty. I also
> > seem to have an exceptionally good dealer. Perhaps we're comparing
> > apples and oranges?
> >
> > > Its an excellent warranty
> > > also. I needed mine. Over and over again. Now that its expired, Im
> living in
> > > fear of the next big problem.This is whats been replaced on my 2002
> Elantra
> > > so far:
> > > Both ball joints
> > > transmission, engine seal, window tapes, seat, power window motors (4)
> > > rotors, tires(twice) a defective air bag went on its own.tie rod ends
> > > alternator and a oxygen sensor. All under 100,000K. Can you blame me?
> Canada
> > > has no lemon laws.
> >
> > Well, let's examine this objectively.
> >
> > Of the items you list, the ball joints, tie rod ends, the alternator and
> > the O2 sensor are pretty typical for any car within the first 100K
miles.
> >
> > Ball joints and tie rod ends are typical maintenance items for
> > suspensions. I wouldn't expect more than 60K miles out of them and I
> > wouldn't be surprised if they failed sooner. A lot depends on the
> > quality of the roads you drive on. Rough roads will shorten the life of
> > these parts.
> >
> > Alternators are a crapshoot. I've had one fail in three weeks (in a
> > Saab) and others last over 100K miles (in a Hyundai). For some reason,
> > the rebuilt alternators from my local shop have always lasted longer
> > than the original parts. Go figure.
> >
> > I've only replaced one O2 sensor, but their life span varies and I
> > probably should have replaced more of them.
> >
> > These parts all have limited life spans and they're all manufactured by
> > other companies. They're also relatively easy and inexpensive to fix. I
> > don't see how you can count these items as quality problems, unless they
> > failed very early in the car's life. Even at that, Hyundai didn't make
> > them.
> >
> > Tires are obviously a maintenance item and their life span is dependent
> > on how you drive and the condition of the roads. If you do actually have
> > a warranty problem with a tire, it's not Hyundai's fault.
> >
> > I'm curious about the rotors, as they're a common "scam" item that are
> > often sold unnecessarily during brake jobs. Calipers are the other item
> > that's commonly part of the same scam, which is well known in the
> > industry. Employees in brake shops are taught to sell these items as a
> > means of boosting repair bills. The brake job that was advertised at $50
> > suddenly costs you $400 if you fall for their lies. Perhaps this wasn't
> > your situation (were your rotors warped or something?), but I thought
> > I'd throw it out as a warning to others in case someone tries to pull
> > this nonsense on them.
> >
> > On the other hand, the other items on your list shouldn't have failed
> > and you have a legitimate gripe about them. I'd be concerned, too, but
> > if they were covered under warranty and didn't cost you anything, I
> > guess the warranty served it's purpose. If you're nervous about the car,
> > by all means sell it and get a new one with a new warranty.
> >
> > If your car's an '02, you sure drive a lot! ;-)
> >
>
>
is the K thing in Canada.. Which would be right around 63000 miles..
Tim
"Terry & Patricia Swinamer" <tpswinamer@bwr.eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:VhQqc.43303$kc2.650165@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> My wife uses the car for work. She's a private conveyor for school
> children.So the car is driven a lot. The tires were replaced because of
the
> premature wearing of the ball joints. Second time because of a rim problem
> that wore them unevenly. ( the car vibrated at about 60mph.) They replaced
> rims and tires. It worked. Maybe it is a Canada thing. All of the listed
> items were dealer repaired under warranty. Which is a very good thing. I
> wish they would clear up the 2-3 upshift flare, I really want a sonata
when
> I trade in, but im afraid to take the risk
>
> Terry
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote in message
> news:eDoqc.19781$hH.481241@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Terry & Patricia Swinamer wrote:
> >
> > > Not trying to start a war here.
> >
> > I understand that.
> >
> > > All Im going on is the experience Ive had
> > > with my 2002 Elantra. Its been bad from the get go. Hyundai Canada is
> not
> > > taking me seriously, or the cars quality, I can assure you that. Maybe
I
> got
> > > a bad one, but its been in the shop more than out. When I hear about
> them
> > > fudging the gas milage ratings and ignoring problems like the 2-3
> upshift
> > > flare, it makes me angry. The car is beautiful, and Hyundais
reputation
> has
> > > improved greatly, but until they FIX actual problems rather than
> explaining
> > > them as normal operation, they wont move ahead.
> >
> > Perhaps this is an issue with Hyundai Canada? All I can say is that
> > Hyundai USA has been really good to me, including covering one large
> > repair when the car (a '94 Excel) was 4K miles out of warranty. I also
> > seem to have an exceptionally good dealer. Perhaps we're comparing
> > apples and oranges?
> >
> > > Its an excellent warranty
> > > also. I needed mine. Over and over again. Now that its expired, Im
> living in
> > > fear of the next big problem.This is whats been replaced on my 2002
> Elantra
> > > so far:
> > > Both ball joints
> > > transmission, engine seal, window tapes, seat, power window motors (4)
> > > rotors, tires(twice) a defective air bag went on its own.tie rod ends
> > > alternator and a oxygen sensor. All under 100,000K. Can you blame me?
> Canada
> > > has no lemon laws.
> >
> > Well, let's examine this objectively.
> >
> > Of the items you list, the ball joints, tie rod ends, the alternator and
> > the O2 sensor are pretty typical for any car within the first 100K
miles.
> >
> > Ball joints and tie rod ends are typical maintenance items for
> > suspensions. I wouldn't expect more than 60K miles out of them and I
> > wouldn't be surprised if they failed sooner. A lot depends on the
> > quality of the roads you drive on. Rough roads will shorten the life of
> > these parts.
> >
> > Alternators are a crapshoot. I've had one fail in three weeks (in a
> > Saab) and others last over 100K miles (in a Hyundai). For some reason,
> > the rebuilt alternators from my local shop have always lasted longer
> > than the original parts. Go figure.
> >
> > I've only replaced one O2 sensor, but their life span varies and I
> > probably should have replaced more of them.
> >
> > These parts all have limited life spans and they're all manufactured by
> > other companies. They're also relatively easy and inexpensive to fix. I
> > don't see how you can count these items as quality problems, unless they
> > failed very early in the car's life. Even at that, Hyundai didn't make
> > them.
> >
> > Tires are obviously a maintenance item and their life span is dependent
> > on how you drive and the condition of the roads. If you do actually have
> > a warranty problem with a tire, it's not Hyundai's fault.
> >
> > I'm curious about the rotors, as they're a common "scam" item that are
> > often sold unnecessarily during brake jobs. Calipers are the other item
> > that's commonly part of the same scam, which is well known in the
> > industry. Employees in brake shops are taught to sell these items as a
> > means of boosting repair bills. The brake job that was advertised at $50
> > suddenly costs you $400 if you fall for their lies. Perhaps this wasn't
> > your situation (were your rotors warped or something?), but I thought
> > I'd throw it out as a warning to others in case someone tries to pull
> > this nonsense on them.
> >
> > On the other hand, the other items on your list shouldn't have failed
> > and you have a legitimate gripe about them. I'd be concerned, too, but
> > if they were covered under warranty and didn't cost you anything, I
> > guess the warranty served it's purpose. If you're nervous about the car,
> > by all means sell it and get a new one with a new warranty.
> >
> > If your car's an '02, you sure drive a lot! ;-)
> >
>
>
09-06-2004, 02:24 PM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
In article <Iaauc.91921$hH.1655660@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian
> Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>>
>>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>>body and the filter box.
>>>
>>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>>filter box.
>>
>>
>>
>> ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
>> did you remove in this drawing?
>> http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
>
>What I removed is everything downstream of part# 28210. That includes
>the resonator/flex pipe assembly #28210f and it's snorkel-like extension
># 28214g.
That woudn't make any difference. I've measured the temperatures around the
inlets a couple of thousand times so far on my test mule.
>
>
>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian
> Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>>
>>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>>body and the filter box.
>>>
>>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>>filter box.
>>
>>
>>
>> ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
>> did you remove in this drawing?
>> http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
>
>What I removed is everything downstream of part# 28210. That includes
>the resonator/flex pipe assembly #28210f and it's snorkel-like extension
># 28214g.
That woudn't make any difference. I've measured the temperatures around the
inlets a couple of thousand times so far on my test mule.
09-10-2004, 08:39 AM
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Re: How to up mileage on Hyundai???
theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
> In article <Iaauc.91921$hH.1655660@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian
>>
>>Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>>>
>>>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>>>body and the filter box.
>>>>
>>>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>>>filter box.
>>>
>>>ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
>>>did you remove in this drawing?
>>>http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
>>
>>What I removed is everything downstream of part# 28210. That includes
>>the resonator/flex pipe assembly #28210f and it's snorkel-like extension
>># 28214g.
>
> That woudn't make any difference. I've measured the temperatures around the
> inlets a couple of thousand times so far on my test mule.
What exactly does that mean? It's pretty hard to believe that air drawn
from the fender well would not be cooler than air drawn from immediately
behind the radiator, as with the stock system.
> In article <Iaauc.91921$hH.1655660@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>
>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>In article <yNYtc.87963$hH.1590776@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Brian
>>
>>Nystrom <brian.nystrom@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>theta00k@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Do you know what part of your car measures the quantity of intake air?
>>>>
>>>>Of course. On the '04, it's the MAF that's located between the throttle
>>>>body and the filter box.
>>>>
>>>>If you're implying that removing the resonator will impact the MAF
>>>>function, you're wrong. The resonator is downstream of the MAF and
>>>>filter box.
>>>
>>>ok, we're talking about 04 Elantra, right? could you point me out what part
>>>did you remove in this drawing?
>>>http://partscatalog.hyundaidealer.co...0280028101.gif
>>
>>What I removed is everything downstream of part# 28210. That includes
>>the resonator/flex pipe assembly #28210f and it's snorkel-like extension
>># 28214g.
>
> That woudn't make any difference. I've measured the temperatures around the
> inlets a couple of thousand times so far on my test mule.
What exactly does that mean? It's pretty hard to believe that air drawn
from the fender well would not be cooler than air drawn from immediately
behind the radiator, as with the stock system.
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