On Jul 22, 10:13 am, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote:
> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > wrote:
> > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:8e997602-12b9-40ff-8ba5-fe163a918d0f@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or
> > > something
> > > like that, I think.
>
> > > Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds?
> > > Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the
> > > engine
> > > and wheels?
>
> > > ************************************************** ******************************
>
> > > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here
> > > with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file
> > > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note
> > > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure
> > > of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, since that can
> > > result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within
> > > as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run
> > > it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulatorproblems
> > > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street
> > > fittings. Can't hurt...
>
> > > --
>
> > > -Mike-
> > > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net
>
> > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm.
>
> That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really
> belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection
> (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s). He is
> appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story
> is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise
> started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can.
>
> -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth,
I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help.

Toyota MDT in MO

 

On Jul 22, 9:13 am, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote:
> Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > wrote:
> > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:8e997602-12b9-40ff-8ba5-fe163a918d0f@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or
> > > something
> > > like that, I think.
>
> > > Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds?
> > > Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the
> > > engine
> > > and wheels?
>
> > > ************************************************** ******************************
>
> > > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here
> > > with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file
> > > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note
> > > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure
> > > of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, since that can
> > > result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within
> > > as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run
> > > it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulatorproblems
> > > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street
> > > fittings. Can't hurt...
>
> > > --
>
> > > -Mike-
> > > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net
>
> > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm.
>
> That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really
> belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection
> (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s).

Actually your guess is mostly correct. Like I said, it's a family car,
so yeah, it's not
_my_ car.

> He is
> appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story
> is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise
> started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can.
>

The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin
with. It was used
and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car.

 

On Jul 22, 6:31 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:13 am, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:8e997602-12b9-40ff-8ba5-fe163a918d0f@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or
> > > > something
> > > > like that, I think.
>
> > > > Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds?
> > > > Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the
> > > > engine
> > > > and wheels?
>
> > > > ************************************************** ******************************
>
> > > > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hookanyone here
> > > > with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file
> > > > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note
> > > > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure
> > > > of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, since that can
> > > > result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within
> > > > as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run
> > > > it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulator problems
> > > > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street
> > > > fittings. Can't hurt...
>
> > > > --
>
> > > > -Mike-
> > > > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net
>
> > > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm.
>
> > That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really
> > belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection
> > (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s). Heis
> > appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story
> > is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise
> > started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can.
>
> > -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth,
> I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help.
>

What is this "aversion to truth"?

 

"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:70ffe7b4-91e0-4330-9104-498967d6f8c7@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin
with. It was used
and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car.

************************************************** ****************************************

Mike - I'm going to take one parting shot at making sense to you, before
dismissing this thread entirely. I'm sure you are noble in your pursuit,
but you fail to understand a few critical points. For one - you've been
told that no one can hear what you are saying is a concerning sound. At
this point - it does not matter if you do more audio magic, or not - the
internet is not the right forum for that kind of diagnostic approach. There
are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your
disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that. Since no one yet has
been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you
don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquest or any
other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay for in
this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest.

I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much
more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these
places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any
way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of the time.
Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'll have
to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed.

A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects
of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can
tell you everything you'll need to know to fix this. If you're not
experienced at fixing cars, then you can't just turn to the internet for
instant answers. You might just have to learn a bit about cars before you
can realize your amition of helping the family out. I think your ambition
is noble but Mike - you can't just turn to the internet and get an instant,
cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or
represented.


--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

On Jul 22, 8:15 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 6:31 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 10:13 am, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote:
>
> > > Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:8e997602-12b9-40ff-8ba5-fe163a918d0f@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or
> > > > > something
> > > > > like that, I think.
>
> > > > > Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds?
> > > > > Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirr of the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > and wheels?
>
> > > > > ************************************************** ******************************
>
> > > > > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here
> > > > > with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file
> > > > > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heard an out of note
> > > > > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure
> > > > > of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, since that can
> > > > > result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within
> > > > > as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run
> > > > > it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulator problems
> > > > > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and some street
> > > > > fittings. Can't hurt...
>
> > > > > --
>
> > > > > -Mike-
> > > > > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net
>
> > > > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm.
>
> > > That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really
> > > belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection
> > > (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s). He is
> > > appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what the real story
> > > is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because the noise
> > > started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can.
>
> > > -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth,
> > I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help.
>
> What is this "aversion to truth"?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dear Waste Of Everyone's Time,

What is this "I don't know where I took the car to have it
diagnosed?" As I dislike using quotes inside of quotes, pretend that
the word diagnosed is in quotes.

Thanks,

Toyota MDT in MO

 

On Jul 23, 12:43 am, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 8:15 pm, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 6:31 pm, Toyota MDT in MO <toyotamdti...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 22, 10:13 am, jim <".sjedgingN0sp"@m...@mwt.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Toyota MDT in MO wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 21, 9:15 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:8e997602-12b9-40ff-8ba5-fe163a918d0f@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > > I know. I guess I'm just frustrated. The guy was at Carquest or
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > like that, I think.
>
> > > > > > Also, what _did_ you hear in that file, anyways? What sort of sounds?
> > > > > > Could you hear any noises that didn't sound just like the whirrof the
> > > > > > engine
> > > > > > and wheels?
>
> > > > > > ************************************************** ******************************
>
> > > > > > That's funny. Carquest or something like that. You cant' hook anyone here
> > > > > > with that one. Not even good bait. I did hear something in the audio file
> > > > > > though, and I think you should look into it quickly. I heardan out of note
> > > > > > gonkulator and possibly a bad muffler bearing (though I can't be quite sure
> > > > > > of that...). The gonkulator really concerns me though, sincethat can
> > > > > > result in a complete engine, transmission and suspension replacement within
> > > > > > as short as a couple thousand miles. Sometimes far less. I think I'd run
> > > > > > it by Home Depot. Have the plumbing guy take a look. Gonkulator problems
> > > > > > are often easily addressed with a couple simple elbows and somestreet
> > > > > > fittings. Can't hurt...
>
> > > > > > --
>
> > > > > > -Mike-
> > > > > > mmarlowREM...@windstream.net
>
> > > > > I just don't recall where I took it to. Hmmm.
>
> > > > That may sound strange, but it probably isn't. I think this car doesn't really
> > > > belong to the OP. My guess is that he is a teenager with an internet connection
> > > > (and maybe a learner's permit) and the car belongs to his parent(s).. He is
> > > > appears to be trying to be helpful. But one can only guess what thereal story
> > > > is. Maybe he really wants to help or maybe feels guilty because thenoise
> > > > started after he jumped the curb and ran over a garbage can.
>
> > > > -jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Your theories are good ones. With his obvious aversion to the truth,
> > > I don't expect the OP to get (or deserve) much help.
>
> > What is this "aversion to truth"?
>
> Dear Waste Of Everyone's Time,
>
> What is this "I don't know where I took the car to have it
> diagnosed?" As I dislike using quotes inside of quotes, pretend that
> the word diagnosed is in quotes.
>

I already said that we took it to Carquest, which apparently is not a
good
shop I've been told. So no wonder they said they didn't know...

???

 

On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
wrote:
> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:70ffe7b4-91e0-4330-9104-498967d6f8c7@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin
> with. It was used
> and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car.
>
> ************************************************** ****************************************
>
> Mike - I'm going to take one parting shot at making sense to you, before
> dismissing this thread entirely. I'm sure you are noble in your pursuit,
> but you fail to understand a few critical points. For one - you've been
> told that no one can hear what you are saying is a concerning sound. At
> this point - it does not matter if you do more audio magic, or not - the
> internet is not the right forum for that kind of diagnostic approach. There
> are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your
> disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that.

Yes, it could also remove some of the sound's information, distorting
it.
This was just a last ditch effort to salvage the recording. It
apparently
didn't work. Oh well.

> Since no one yet has
> been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you
> don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquest or any
> other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay for in
> this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest.
>

Well _I_ wasn't the one who took it there, remember, as it isn't _my_
car?

> I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much
> more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these
> places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any
> way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of the time.
> Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'll have
> to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed.
>

Well, OK, then we can write off Carquest...

> A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects
> of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can
> tell you everything you'll need to know to fix this. If you're not
> experienced at fixing cars, then you can't just turn to the internet for
> instant answers. You might just have to learn a bit about cars before you
> can realize your amition of helping the family out. I think your ambition
> is noble but Mike - you can't just turn to the internet and get an instant,
> cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or
> represented.
>

Well I wasn't expecting an "instant" and "miraculous" fix, but at
least some *clues*
as to what might be causing the noise. And I guess I'm also a little
pissed off
that the recording was so poor, too.

Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the
stuff that
might give clues to problems like these?

 

On Jul 23, 1:53 am, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:70ffe7b4-91e0-4330-9104-498967d6f8c7@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
>
> > The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin
> > with. It was used
> > and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car.
>
> > ************************************************** ****************************************
>
> > Mike - I'm going to take one parting shot at making sense to you, before
> > dismissing this thread entirely. I'm sure you are noble in your pursuit,
> > but you fail to understand a few critical points. For one - you've been
> > told that no one can hear what you are saying is a concerning sound. At
> > this point - it does not matter if you do more audio magic, or not - the
> > internet is not the right forum for that kind of diagnostic approach. There
> > are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your
> > disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that.
>
> Yes, it could also remove some of the sound's information, distorting
> it.
> This was just a last ditch effort to salvage the recording. It
> apparently
> didn't work. Oh well.
>

(addendum)
I.e. I've now pretty much written off the recording. I guess I thought
I could point
out the concerning sound, but I've given that up now as obviously that
is not
possible over the internets.

So I was already coming around to these points after my final post
about listening
for the sound, and once again it failing to be heard. I tried and
tried, but the internets
are fundamentally limited, and so it is impossible to point such
things out via the
internet.

> > Since no one yet has
> > been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem - you
> > don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquestor any
> > other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay forin
> > this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest.
>
> Well _I_ wasn't the one who took it there, remember, as it isn't _my_
> car?
>
> > I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much
> > more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work inthese
> > places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any
> > way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of thetime.
> > Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'llhave
> > to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed.
>
> Well, OK, then we can write off Carquest...
>
> > A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects
> > of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can
> > tell you everything you'll need to know to fix this. If you're not
> > experienced at fixing cars, then you can't just turn to the internet for
> > instant answers. You might just have to learn a bit about cars before you
> > can realize your amition of helping the family out. I think your ambition
> > is noble but Mike - you can't just turn to the internet and get an instant,
> > cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or
> > represented.
>
> Well I wasn't expecting an "instant" and "miraculous" fix, but at
> least some *clues*
> as to what might be causing the noise. And I guess I'm also a little
> pissed off
> that the recording was so poor, too.
>
> Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the
> stuff that
> might give clues to problems like these?

 

On Jul 23, 1:57 am, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 1:53 am, mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 22, 10:32 pm, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:70ffe7b4-91e0-4330-9104-498967d6f8c7@h21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
>
> > > The real story is that when we got the car, it had the noise to begin
> > > with. It was used
> > > and not from a dealer. And no, I didn't wreck the car.
>
> > > ************************************************** ****************************************
>
> > > Mike - I'm going to take one parting shot at making sense to you, before
> > > dismissing this thread entirely. I'm sure you are noble in your pursuit,
> > > but you fail to understand a few critical points. For one - you'vebeen
> > > told that no one can hear what you are saying is a concerning sound. At
> > > this point - it does not matter if you do more audio magic, or not - the
> > > internet is not the right forum for that kind of diagnostic approach. There
> > > are technical reasons why your "cleaning" up a file, only serves to your
> > > disadvantage, and you need to come to grips with that.
>
> > Yes, it could also remove some of the sound's information, distorting
> > it.
> > This was just a last ditch effort to salvage the recording. It
> > apparently
> > didn't work. Oh well.
>
> (addendum)
> I.e. I've now pretty much written off the recording. I guess I thought
> I could point
> out the concerning sound, but I've given that up now as obviously that
> is not
> possible over the internets.
>
> So I was already coming around to these points after my final post
> about listening
> for the sound, and once again it failing to be heard. I tried and
> tried, but the internets
> are fundamentally limited, and so it is impossible to point such
> things out via the
> internet.
>

So please don't leave just _yet_, as you _are_ making sense to me,
especially
now, and I've still got one more question below and an answer to one
of your
questions:

> > > Since no one yet has
> > > been able to help out with your audio representation of the problem -you
> > > don't have a choice... take the car to a real mechanic. Not Carquest or any
> > > other cheap alternative to a real mechanic. You get what you pay for in
> > > this world Mike and you found that out the hard way at Carquest.
>
> > Well _I_ wasn't the one who took it there, remember, as it isn't _my_
> > car?
>

answer to your Q

> > > I highly doubt the guy at Carquest was a mechanic. He'd have told you much
> > > more than what you've relayed here, if he was. The guys that work in these
> > > places are more often than not, fully UNqualified to work on cars in any
> > > way. They are parts clerks and damned poor ones at that, most of the time.
> > > Get the car to any reputable mechanic, and embrace the fact that you'll have
> > > to pay to get it diagnosed and/or fixed.
>
> > Well, OK, then we can write off Carquest...
>
> > > A forum like this can be helpful in guiding you through the repair aspects
> > > of a problem, but even at that - it's a long distince thing. No one can
> > > tell you everything you'll need to know to fix this. If you're not
> > > experienced at fixing cars, then you can't just turn to the internet for
> > > instant answers. You might just have to learn a bit about cars before you
> > > can realize your amition of helping the family out. I think your ambition
> > > is noble but Mike - you can't just turn to the internet and get an instant,
> > > cheap, miraculous fix to a problem that can't even be properly described or
> > > represented.
>
> > Well I wasn't expecting an "instant" and "miraculous" fix, but at
> > least some *clues*
> > as to what might be causing the noise. And I guess I'm also a little
> > pissed off
> > that the recording was so poor, too.
>
> > Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the
> > stuff that
> > might give clues to problems like these?

Final question

 

"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the
> > stuff that
> > might give clues to problems like these?

> Final question

Most of us got our start hanging out with mechanics and car guys, when we
were younger. We worked on our own cars and made every mistake in the
book - or most every one. We simply do not admit to those mistakes any
longer...

Take your car to a smaller garage - one with a good reputation. The bench
rate will be expensive, but usually lower than dealerships and larger
garages. A smaller shop is more likely to let you hang with the mechanic
while he looks at the car, and you can explain to him that you're trying to
learn a bit. If he's a decent Joe, he'll explain some things to you as he
works.

Forums like this are good places to learn, but topics are scattered and not
organized into any coherent flow. You just kind of pick up general
knowledge to put into your hip pocket most of the time. That all by itself
is quite useful, but it also requires you have some idea how automobile
systems work in the first place, in order for it to be very meaningful.
There's lots of forums out there, so lurk around in many.


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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

On Jul 23, 7:59 am, "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREM...@windstream.net>
wrote:
> "mike3" <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1c445573-84e3-4a92-8505-d7ac050c3eee@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > > Where could I learn more about cars, though, with an eye toward the
> > > stuff that
> > > might give clues to problems like these?
> > Final question
>
> Most of us got our start hanging out with mechanics and car guys, when we
> were younger. We worked on our own cars and made every mistake in the
> book - or most every one. We simply do not admit to those mistakes any
> longer...
>
> Take your car to a smaller garage - one with a good reputation. The bench
> rate will be expensive, but usually lower than dealerships and larger
> garages. A smaller shop is more likely to let you hang with the mechanic
> while he looks at the car, and you can explain to him that you're trying to
> learn a bit. If he's a decent Joe, he'll explain some things to you ashe
> works.
>
> Forums like this are good places to learn, but topics are scattered and not
> organized into any coherent flow. You just kind of pick up general
> knowledge to put into your hip pocket most of the time. That all by itself
> is quite useful, but it also requires you have some idea how automobile
> systems work in the first place, in order for it to be very meaningful.
> There's lots of forums out there, so lurk around in many.
>

Thank you for the answer.

Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to
have them
listen to the noise? How much would it cost?

 

mike3 wrote:

> Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to
> have them
> listen to the noise? How much would it cost?

How long is a piece of string?

 

Mark Olson wrote:
>
> mike3 wrote:
>
> > Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to
> > have them
> > listen to the noise? How much would it cost?
>
> How long is a piece of string?

You need to dip it in milk and then wring it out and measure the amount
of milk you get. The amount of milk you get will be proportional to the
length of the string.

-jim

 

"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thank you for the answer.

Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to
have them
listen to the noise? How much would it cost?

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It may not cost anything for a diagnosis. If you can find a good, local
garage, and explain that you need an estimate for repairs, you'll probably
get the diagnosis for free. The repair may be well worth paying for,
depending on what the diagnosis turns out to be.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net

 

"jim" <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m@mwt,net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Mark Olson wrote:
>>
>> mike3 wrote:
>>
>> > Would it also be expensive just to diagnose the problem, i.e. just to
>> > have them
>> > listen to the noise? How much would it cost?
>>
>> How long is a piece of string?
>
> You need to dip it in milk and then wring it out and measure the amount
> of milk you get. The amount of milk you get will be proportional to the
> length of the string.
>
> -jim

Whole milk, or skimmed milk? Cup, or bowl?

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@windstream.net