Brian Nystrom

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> newsmYif.3$GA2.2@trndny02...
>
>
>>These are some of the reasons that everyone should learn to do simple
>>maintentance like this for themselves. You save yourself a bunch of
>>money and you know exactly what was done, how it was done and what parts
>>were used.
>
>
> Thank you Mr. Wizard! Really - no sarcasm. It is a shame that today's
> consumer wants to be just that - a consumer and not invest in any real
> understanding of the products that they buy. Big ticket items like a car
> almost scream for some level of understanding. But... folks want to go plop
> their money down, drive around town, and not even understand something as
> basic as an oil change and then come looking for "knowledge" when something
> is broken. Knowledge does not come instantly through usenet posts. It's
> accumulated. Advice and information that contribute to knowledge can come
> from a forum like this, but knowledge is just not one of those things that
> the instant gratification generation can demand. Just a little bit of
> investment on the part of the owner would go so far in reducing the number
> of foolish "my car is broke now, what's wrong with it and did the
> mechanic/dealer break it or what should I do?" posts.

Perhaps I'm just a walking anachronism, but I feel that I owe it to
myself to know as much about the things I own as possible, and to do as
much of my own maintenance and repair as possible. It has saved me many
thousands of dollars over the years and given me the peace of mind that
comes from knowing that if something goes wrong, I can probably fix it
or at least work around it until someone else fixes it. I truly hate
being dependent on anyone else for my well being.

Brian Nystrom

Mike Marlow wrote:
> "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> newsmYif.3$GA2.2@trndny02...
>
>
>>These are some of the reasons that everyone should learn to do simple
>>maintentance like this for themselves. You save yourself a bunch of
>>money and you know exactly what was done, how it was done and what parts
>>were used.
>
>
> Thank you Mr. Wizard! Really - no sarcasm. It is a shame that today's
> consumer wants to be just that - a consumer and not invest in any real
> understanding of the products that they buy. Big ticket items like a car
> almost scream for some level of understanding. But... folks want to go plop
> their money down, drive around town, and not even understand something as
> basic as an oil change and then come looking for "knowledge" when something
> is broken. Knowledge does not come instantly through usenet posts. It's
> accumulated. Advice and information that contribute to knowledge can come
> from a forum like this, but knowledge is just not one of those things that
> the instant gratification generation can demand. Just a little bit of
> investment on the part of the owner would go so far in reducing the number
> of foolish "my car is broke now, what's wrong with it and did the
> mechanic/dealer break it or what should I do?" posts.

Perhaps I'm just a walking anachronism, but I feel that I owe it to
myself to know as much about the things I own as possible, and to do as
much of my own maintenance and repair as possible. It has saved me many
thousands of dollars over the years and given me the peace of mind that
comes from knowing that if something goes wrong, I can probably fix it
or at least work around it until someone else fixes it. I truly hate
being dependent on anyone else for my well being.

Mike Marlow

"DanKaye" <dankaye@nowhere.info> wrote in message
news:2bdpo1pbjan8adl3m9c5b4i7ae9dvhigo5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:20:49 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >In the case of the OP, I suspect the mechanic did not use winterized air
in
> >the air cleaner.
> )-; Nice try, but I ain't that dumb!

Of course not - I was trying to end on a funny note.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"DanKaye" <dankaye@nowhere.info> wrote in message
news:2bdpo1pbjan8adl3m9c5b4i7ae9dvhigo5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:20:49 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >In the case of the OP, I suspect the mechanic did not use winterized air
in
> >the air cleaner.
> )-; Nice try, but I ain't that dumb!

Of course not - I was trying to end on a funny note.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ZQ6jf.764$s96.359@trndny01...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > newsmYif.3$GA2.2@trndny02...
> >
> >
> >>These are some of the reasons that everyone should learn to do simple
> >>maintentance like this for themselves. You save yourself a bunch of
> >>money and you know exactly what was done, how it was done and what parts
> >>were used.
> >
> >
> > Thank you Mr. Wizard! Really - no sarcasm. It is a shame that today's
> > consumer wants to be just that - a consumer and not invest in any real
> > understanding of the products that they buy. Big ticket items like a
car
> > almost scream for some level of understanding. But... folks want to go
plop
> > their money down, drive around town, and not even understand something
as
> > basic as an oil change and then come looking for "knowledge" when
something
> > is broken. Knowledge does not come instantly through usenet posts.
It's
> > accumulated. Advice and information that contribute to knowledge can
come
> > from a forum like this, but knowledge is just not one of those things
that
> > the instant gratification generation can demand. Just a little bit of
> > investment on the part of the owner would go so far in reducing the
number
> > of foolish "my car is broke now, what's wrong with it and did the
> > mechanic/dealer break it or what should I do?" posts.
>
> Perhaps I'm just a walking anachronism, but I feel that I owe it to
> myself to know as much about the things I own as possible, and to do as
> much of my own maintenance and repair as possible. It has saved me many
> thousands of dollars over the years and given me the peace of mind that
> comes from knowing that if something goes wrong, I can probably fix it
> or at least work around it until someone else fixes it. I truly hate
> being dependent on anyone else for my well being.

We have a great deal in common in that area.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Mike Marlow

"Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ZQ6jf.764$s96.359@trndny01...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
> > "Brian Nystrom" <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > newsmYif.3$GA2.2@trndny02...
> >
> >
> >>These are some of the reasons that everyone should learn to do simple
> >>maintentance like this for themselves. You save yourself a bunch of
> >>money and you know exactly what was done, how it was done and what parts
> >>were used.
> >
> >
> > Thank you Mr. Wizard! Really - no sarcasm. It is a shame that today's
> > consumer wants to be just that - a consumer and not invest in any real
> > understanding of the products that they buy. Big ticket items like a
car
> > almost scream for some level of understanding. But... folks want to go
plop
> > their money down, drive around town, and not even understand something
as
> > basic as an oil change and then come looking for "knowledge" when
something
> > is broken. Knowledge does not come instantly through usenet posts.
It's
> > accumulated. Advice and information that contribute to knowledge can
come
> > from a forum like this, but knowledge is just not one of those things
that
> > the instant gratification generation can demand. Just a little bit of
> > investment on the part of the owner would go so far in reducing the
number
> > of foolish "my car is broke now, what's wrong with it and did the
> > mechanic/dealer break it or what should I do?" posts.
>
> Perhaps I'm just a walking anachronism, but I feel that I owe it to
> myself to know as much about the things I own as possible, and to do as
> much of my own maintenance and repair as possible. It has saved me many
> thousands of dollars over the years and given me the peace of mind that
> comes from knowing that if something goes wrong, I can probably fix it
> or at least work around it until someone else fixes it. I truly hate
> being dependent on anyone else for my well being.

We have a great deal in common in that area.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

DanKaye

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:57:16 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>For the 10 minutes it would take to change plugs and wires, I doubt
>anyone would notice.
>
True, that part I could do. But an oil change, no.

>> I also do not have a 2nd car I can use to go to the
>> parts store once I get the car taken apart and realize I need this or
>> that.
>>
>> Also there is the issue that when I did do these things for myself,
>> sometimes it was more hassle than it was worth. ....
>
>That's true of more susbstantial repairs, but not basic maintenance.
>
Like I say, they WOULD scream if I did an oil change. Plugs and wires
you are right, I should do those myself. Maybe I will next time.

>
>The tools to do basic maintenance will fit in a shoebox.
>
Yes, and I have them. The plugs are pretty hard to get to, though, on
this car, if I recall. But yes, I could do it.

>
>Are we going to have a rational discussion or are you going to be
>ridiculous? No one needs a lift to do basic maintenance on a car.
>
No but it helps. Especially things like brakes. But even with an oil
change I'd much rather do it on a rack then crawl under there adn do
it. But it's a moot point because I can't, at our apartment.

>
>Any gas station that does service has an oil reclamation tank.
>
And they will allow anyone to use it? But again, I can't change oil,
here.

>
>If you're making good money, why not buy a house with a garage instead
>of stuffing your cash in some "slumlord's" pocket? It's the best
>investment you'll ever make, for a lot of reasons. Being able to work on
>your own car is just one of them.
>
You're getting into a personal discussion here which would require me
explaining to you why I have not been able to buy a house but can rent
an apartment. Suffice to say, I live in Southern California and would
prefer to live in a nice area in an apartment than to live in a not so
good area in a home.

>> One more issue is that some of these compact cars are so tight, it is
>> just a pain in the *** to get in the engine compartment to work on
>> them.
>
>Again, that's not generally true of basic maintenance. Yeah, getting to
>the starter or replacing a timing belt can be a bit of a hassle, but
>that's not what we're talking about.

Okay. You make some good points.

I wonder how many mechanics who use their computers every day know how
to fix them, re-load software, re-install Windows, add an internal cd
or dvd player, etc.. These are things many people who use their
computers every day cannot do. But I can, and I learned only because
like someone said above, I don't like to depend on other people for
things I use a lot.

But it's all a matter of how much time and energy one is willing to
invest in learning something. Some people just find computers too
intimidating, and others find cars too intimidating.

DanKaye

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:57:16 GMT, Brian Nystrom
<brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>For the 10 minutes it would take to change plugs and wires, I doubt
>anyone would notice.
>
True, that part I could do. But an oil change, no.

>> I also do not have a 2nd car I can use to go to the
>> parts store once I get the car taken apart and realize I need this or
>> that.
>>
>> Also there is the issue that when I did do these things for myself,
>> sometimes it was more hassle than it was worth. ....
>
>That's true of more susbstantial repairs, but not basic maintenance.
>
Like I say, they WOULD scream if I did an oil change. Plugs and wires
you are right, I should do those myself. Maybe I will next time.

>
>The tools to do basic maintenance will fit in a shoebox.
>
Yes, and I have them. The plugs are pretty hard to get to, though, on
this car, if I recall. But yes, I could do it.

>
>Are we going to have a rational discussion or are you going to be
>ridiculous? No one needs a lift to do basic maintenance on a car.
>
No but it helps. Especially things like brakes. But even with an oil
change I'd much rather do it on a rack then crawl under there adn do
it. But it's a moot point because I can't, at our apartment.

>
>Any gas station that does service has an oil reclamation tank.
>
And they will allow anyone to use it? But again, I can't change oil,
here.

>
>If you're making good money, why not buy a house with a garage instead
>of stuffing your cash in some "slumlord's" pocket? It's the best
>investment you'll ever make, for a lot of reasons. Being able to work on
>your own car is just one of them.
>
You're getting into a personal discussion here which would require me
explaining to you why I have not been able to buy a house but can rent
an apartment. Suffice to say, I live in Southern California and would
prefer to live in a nice area in an apartment than to live in a not so
good area in a home.

>> One more issue is that some of these compact cars are so tight, it is
>> just a pain in the *** to get in the engine compartment to work on
>> them.
>
>Again, that's not generally true of basic maintenance. Yeah, getting to
>the starter or replacing a timing belt can be a bit of a hassle, but
>that's not what we're talking about.

Okay. You make some good points.

I wonder how many mechanics who use their computers every day know how
to fix them, re-load software, re-install Windows, add an internal cd
or dvd player, etc.. These are things many people who use their
computers every day cannot do. But I can, and I learned only because
like someone said above, I don't like to depend on other people for
things I use a lot.

But it's all a matter of how much time and energy one is willing to
invest in learning something. Some people just find computers too
intimidating, and others find cars too intimidating.

DanKaye

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:10:45 GMT, DanKaye <dankaye@nowhere.info>
wrote:


>Fortunately it turned out to just be something loose that the mechanic
>found right away and fixed easily and without cost to me. Thanks for
>replying, though.
To be more clear, I found out that it was an electrical connector to
the tube that goes into the air filter. Somehow or other that piece
got broken or lost so it came loose.

The mechanic said they did not take that piece apart so it was just a
coincidence that it was loose because that piece was lost or broken.
(I'm not clear from looking at it exactly how it was before... I'd
have to see the new piece.) Anyway, he jerry-rigged the connection to
remain tight with some plastic ties.

I need to go to Hyundai and see if I can order that part, but the
nearest Hyundai here is 35 min. or so away and I'll have to go there,
show it to someone, have them order it, then make another trip back to
pick it up.

Unless someone here can point me to a web site or something where I
can locate the part, get the number of it and order it by phone...

I have no idea what it would be called, an ex- mechanic friend of mine
looked at it and said he'd call it the "electrical connector that
connects to the tube going into the air filter". He said it maybe had
to do with something else, (air mixture?) maybe but I forgot what he
said.

Thanks to all for the feedback.

DanKaye

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:10:45 GMT, DanKaye <dankaye@nowhere.info>
wrote:


>Fortunately it turned out to just be something loose that the mechanic
>found right away and fixed easily and without cost to me. Thanks for
>replying, though.
To be more clear, I found out that it was an electrical connector to
the tube that goes into the air filter. Somehow or other that piece
got broken or lost so it came loose.

The mechanic said they did not take that piece apart so it was just a
coincidence that it was loose because that piece was lost or broken.
(I'm not clear from looking at it exactly how it was before... I'd
have to see the new piece.) Anyway, he jerry-rigged the connection to
remain tight with some plastic ties.

I need to go to Hyundai and see if I can order that part, but the
nearest Hyundai here is 35 min. or so away and I'll have to go there,
show it to someone, have them order it, then make another trip back to
pick it up.

Unless someone here can point me to a web site or something where I
can locate the part, get the number of it and order it by phone...

I have no idea what it would be called, an ex- mechanic friend of mine
looked at it and said he'd call it the "electrical connector that
connects to the tube going into the air filter". He said it maybe had
to do with something else, (air mixture?) maybe but I forgot what he
said.

Thanks to all for the feedback.

Brian Nystrom

DanKaye wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:57:16 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>For the 10 minutes it would take to change plugs and wires, I doubt
>>anyone would notice.
>>
>
> True, that part I could do. But an oil change, no.
>
>
>>>I also do not have a 2nd car I can use to go to the
>>>parts store once I get the car taken apart and realize I need this or
>>>that.
>>>
>>>Also there is the issue that when I did do these things for myself,
>>>sometimes it was more hassle than it was worth. ....
>>
>>That's true of more susbstantial repairs, but not basic maintenance.
>>
>
> Like I say, they WOULD scream if I did an oil change. Plugs and wires
> you are right, I should do those myself. Maybe I will next time.
>
>
>>The tools to do basic maintenance will fit in a shoebox.
>>
>
> Yes, and I have them. The plugs are pretty hard to get to, though, on
> this car, if I recall. But yes, I could do it.
>
>
>>Are we going to have a rational discussion or are you going to be
>>ridiculous? No one needs a lift to do basic maintenance on a car.
>>
>
> No but it helps. Especially things like brakes. But even with an oil
> change I'd much rather do it on a rack then crawl under there adn do
> it. But it's a moot point because I can't, at our apartment.
>
>
>>Any gas station that does service has an oil reclamation tank.
>>
>
> And they will allow anyone to use it? But again, I can't change oil,
> here.
>
>
>>If you're making good money, why not buy a house with a garage instead
>>of stuffing your cash in some "slumlord's" pocket? It's the best
>>investment you'll ever make, for a lot of reasons. Being able to work on
>>your own car is just one of them.
>>
>
> You're getting into a personal discussion here which would require me
> explaining to you why I have not been able to buy a house but can rent
> an apartment. Suffice to say, I live in Southern California and would
> prefer to live in a nice area in an apartment than to live in a not so
> good area in a home.
>
>
>>>One more issue is that some of these compact cars are so tight, it is
>>>just a pain in the *** to get in the engine compartment to work on
>>>them.
>>
>>Again, that's not generally true of basic maintenance. Yeah, getting to
>>the starter or replacing a timing belt can be a bit of a hassle, but
>>that's not what we're talking about.
>
>
> Okay. You make some good points.
>
> I wonder how many mechanics who use their computers every day know how
> to fix them, re-load software, re-install Windows, add an internal cd
> or dvd player, etc.. These are things many people who use their
> computers every day cannot do.

I can and I make a few bucks at it, too.

> But I can, and I learned only because
> like someone said above, I don't like to depend on other people for
> things I use a lot.

That would be me.

> But it's all a matter of how much time and energy one is willing to
> invest in learning something. Some people just find computers too
> intimidating, and others find cars too intimidating.

What I've found it that it's largely a mindset. People who don't think
they're capable often never even try, but if they do, they're frequently
surprised at what they can do. OTOH, there are some people with no
mechanical/technical capability. I feel sorry for them.

Brian Nystrom

DanKaye wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 00:57:16 GMT, Brian Nystrom
> <brian.nystrom@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>>For the 10 minutes it would take to change plugs and wires, I doubt
>>anyone would notice.
>>
>
> True, that part I could do. But an oil change, no.
>
>
>>>I also do not have a 2nd car I can use to go to the
>>>parts store once I get the car taken apart and realize I need this or
>>>that.
>>>
>>>Also there is the issue that when I did do these things for myself,
>>>sometimes it was more hassle than it was worth. ....
>>
>>That's true of more susbstantial repairs, but not basic maintenance.
>>
>
> Like I say, they WOULD scream if I did an oil change. Plugs and wires
> you are right, I should do those myself. Maybe I will next time.
>
>
>>The tools to do basic maintenance will fit in a shoebox.
>>
>
> Yes, and I have them. The plugs are pretty hard to get to, though, on
> this car, if I recall. But yes, I could do it.
>
>
>>Are we going to have a rational discussion or are you going to be
>>ridiculous? No one needs a lift to do basic maintenance on a car.
>>
>
> No but it helps. Especially things like brakes. But even with an oil
> change I'd much rather do it on a rack then crawl under there adn do
> it. But it's a moot point because I can't, at our apartment.
>
>
>>Any gas station that does service has an oil reclamation tank.
>>
>
> And they will allow anyone to use it? But again, I can't change oil,
> here.
>
>
>>If you're making good money, why not buy a house with a garage instead
>>of stuffing your cash in some "slumlord's" pocket? It's the best
>>investment you'll ever make, for a lot of reasons. Being able to work on
>>your own car is just one of them.
>>
>
> You're getting into a personal discussion here which would require me
> explaining to you why I have not been able to buy a house but can rent
> an apartment. Suffice to say, I live in Southern California and would
> prefer to live in a nice area in an apartment than to live in a not so
> good area in a home.
>
>
>>>One more issue is that some of these compact cars are so tight, it is
>>>just a pain in the *** to get in the engine compartment to work on
>>>them.
>>
>>Again, that's not generally true of basic maintenance. Yeah, getting to
>>the starter or replacing a timing belt can be a bit of a hassle, but
>>that's not what we're talking about.
>
>
> Okay. You make some good points.
>
> I wonder how many mechanics who use their computers every day know how
> to fix them, re-load software, re-install Windows, add an internal cd
> or dvd player, etc.. These are things many people who use their
> computers every day cannot do.

I can and I make a few bucks at it, too.

> But I can, and I learned only because
> like someone said above, I don't like to depend on other people for
> things I use a lot.

That would be me.

> But it's all a matter of how much time and energy one is willing to
> invest in learning something. Some people just find computers too
> intimidating, and others find cars too intimidating.

What I've found it that it's largely a mindset. People who don't think
they're capable often never even try, but if they do, they're frequently
surprised at what they can do. OTOH, there are some people with no
mechanical/technical capability. I feel sorry for them.

Brian Nystrom

DanKaye wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:10:45 GMT, DanKaye <dankaye@nowhere.info>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Fortunately it turned out to just be something loose that the mechanic
>>found right away and fixed easily and without cost to me. Thanks for
>>replying, though.
>
> To be more clear, I found out that it was an electrical connector to
> the tube that goes into the air filter. Somehow or other that piece
> got broken or lost so it came loose.
>
> The mechanic said they did not take that piece apart so it was just a
> coincidence that it was loose because that piece was lost or broken.
> (I'm not clear from looking at it exactly how it was before... I'd
> have to see the new piece.) Anyway, he jerry-rigged the connection to
> remain tight with some plastic ties.
>
> I need to go to Hyundai and see if I can order that part, but the
> nearest Hyundai here is 35 min. or so away and I'll have to go there,
> show it to someone, have them order it, then make another trip back to
> pick it up.
>
> Unless someone here can point me to a web site or something where I
> can locate the part, get the number of it and order it by phone...
>
If you go to hmaservice.com and sign up, you can access service manuals
and order parts online for delivery to a local dealer. That will save
you one trip. You may also be able to order the part directly from
http://hyundaipartsonline.com/ .

Brian Nystrom

DanKaye wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 20:10:45 GMT, DanKaye <dankaye@nowhere.info>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Fortunately it turned out to just be something loose that the mechanic
>>found right away and fixed easily and without cost to me. Thanks for
>>replying, though.
>
> To be more clear, I found out that it was an electrical connector to
> the tube that goes into the air filter. Somehow or other that piece
> got broken or lost so it came loose.
>
> The mechanic said they did not take that piece apart so it was just a
> coincidence that it was loose because that piece was lost or broken.
> (I'm not clear from looking at it exactly how it was before... I'd
> have to see the new piece.) Anyway, he jerry-rigged the connection to
> remain tight with some plastic ties.
>
> I need to go to Hyundai and see if I can order that part, but the
> nearest Hyundai here is 35 min. or so away and I'll have to go there,
> show it to someone, have them order it, then make another trip back to
> pick it up.
>
> Unless someone here can point me to a web site or something where I
> can locate the part, get the number of it and order it by phone...
>
If you go to hmaservice.com and sign up, you can access service manuals
and order parts online for delivery to a local dealer. That will save
you one trip. You may also be able to order the part directly from
http://hyundaipartsonline.com/ .

hyundaitech

That would be the connector for the air flow sensor. The bad news is that
Hyundai doesn't sell the connectors separately. As long as it's tied on
securely and won't leak water in, you should be okay.