Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Eric G. wrote:

> Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:04WQf.7166$lb.629344
> @news1.epix.net:
>
>
>>Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
>>>news:%LzQf.7129$lb.621600@news1.epix.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a 94 K1500 with the 4.3L V-6 and the wide ratio manual
>>>>transmission (I forget the designation, maybe MT8, but the one with the
>>>>granny low ratio). Mine pretty much is stuck on 16 like yours is on 15,
>>>>but I occasionally get 17 and occasionally 15 (mostly in winter). When
>>>>I plow I get 10-11.
>>>
>>>
>>>My Silverado is a '94 with a 350. Has a fiberglass cap on it also.
>>>High-rise style.
>>>
>>
>>Same here. I suspect the difference between my mileage and yours is the
>> V-8 vs. the V-6.
>>
>
>
> Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I don't
> drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year. It has just
> under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.

You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11 MPG
from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent plowing
snow or pulling stumps! :-)


Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Bob Adkins wrote:


> As long as the oil comes up to operating temperature every start, moisture
> and acids will not accumulate. Ideally, the engine would reach ~220 for 5
> minutes then cool down to ~150. But we all know that's not very practical.
> For 1 thing, hotter running engines get better gas mileage. :)

Running at 150 would be very bad for an engine.

Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Bob Adkins wrote:


> As long as the oil comes up to operating temperature every start, moisture
> and acids will not accumulate. Ideally, the engine would reach ~220 for 5
> minutes then cool down to ~150. But we all know that's not very practical.
> For 1 thing, hotter running engines get better gas mileage. :)

Running at 150 would be very bad for an engine.

Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Bob Adkins wrote:


> As long as the oil comes up to operating temperature every start, moisture
> and acids will not accumulate. Ideally, the engine would reach ~220 for 5
> minutes then cool down to ~150. But we all know that's not very practical.
> For 1 thing, hotter running engines get better gas mileage. :)

Running at 150 would be very bad for an engine.

Matt

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net:

>> Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I
>> don't drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year.
>> It has just under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11
> MPG from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent
> plowing snow or pulling stumps! :-)

I don't know what else to fix! The engine is tuned like a champ. The
tranny and rest of the drivetrain are all in great shape. I have some of
the normal rust on the bottom of the doors. Maybe the extra drag is
killing me? :-)

Any ideas?

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net:

>> Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I
>> don't drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year.
>> It has just under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11
> MPG from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent
> plowing snow or pulling stumps! :-)

I don't know what else to fix! The engine is tuned like a champ. The
tranny and rest of the drivetrain are all in great shape. I have some of
the normal rust on the bottom of the doors. Maybe the extra drag is
killing me? :-)

Any ideas?

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net:

>> Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I
>> don't drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year.
>> It has just under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11
> MPG from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent
> plowing snow or pulling stumps! :-)

I don't know what else to fix! The engine is tuned like a champ. The
tranny and rest of the drivetrain are all in great shape. I have some of
the normal rust on the bottom of the doors. Maybe the extra drag is
killing me? :-)

Any ideas?

Eric

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
news:sl8812lk3ebhvifupucufj8l5urcqqq59e@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:56:07 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does
find
> >mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.
>
> Makes you wonder if the carb is calibrated very lean. It makes the engine
> run hot, but really helps mileage. The down side is that it could shorten
> engine life a little.

These are all fuel injected motors - no carb. The Buicks all got over
200,000 on them before being donated and the Malibu is currently at 125,000.
No shortened engine life here.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
news:sl8812lk3ebhvifupucufj8l5urcqqq59e@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:56:07 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does
find
> >mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.
>
> Makes you wonder if the carb is calibrated very lean. It makes the engine
> run hot, but really helps mileage. The down side is that it could shorten
> engine life a little.

These are all fuel injected motors - no carb. The Buicks all got over
200,000 on them before being donated and the Malibu is currently at 125,000.
No shortened engine life here.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Bob Adkins" <bobad@charter.net> wrote in message
news:sl8812lk3ebhvifupucufj8l5urcqqq59e@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 21:56:07 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >The 3.1L I mentioned was in a Malibu. You're right though - Buick does
find
> >mileage in those motors and not at the cost of power.
>
> Makes you wonder if the carb is calibrated very lean. It makes the engine
> run hot, but really helps mileage. The down side is that it could shorten
> engine life a little.

These are all fuel injected motors - no carb. The Buicks all got over
200,000 on them before being donated and the Malibu is currently at 125,000.
No shortened engine life here.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net...
> Eric G. wrote:
>
> > Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:04WQf.7166$lb.629344
> > @news1.epix.net:
> >
> >
> >>Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:%LzQf.7129$lb.621600@news1.epix.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have a 94 K1500 with the 4.3L V-6 and the wide ratio manual
> >>>>transmission (I forget the designation, maybe MT8, but the one with
the
> >>>>granny low ratio). Mine pretty much is stuck on 16 like yours is on
15,
> >>>>but I occasionally get 17 and occasionally 15 (mostly in winter).
When
> >>>>I plow I get 10-11.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My Silverado is a '94 with a 350. Has a fiberglass cap on it also.
> >>>High-rise style.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Same here. I suspect the difference between my mileage and yours is the
> >> V-8 vs. the V-6.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I don't
> > drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year. It has
just
> > under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11 MPG
> from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent plowing
> snow or pulling stumps! :-)
>

I'll second that Eric. I've never been a fan of the 305, but it sure should
get better than that. 11 is a real ouch.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net...
> Eric G. wrote:
>
> > Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:04WQf.7166$lb.629344
> > @news1.epix.net:
> >
> >
> >>Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:%LzQf.7129$lb.621600@news1.epix.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have a 94 K1500 with the 4.3L V-6 and the wide ratio manual
> >>>>transmission (I forget the designation, maybe MT8, but the one with
the
> >>>>granny low ratio). Mine pretty much is stuck on 16 like yours is on
15,
> >>>>but I occasionally get 17 and occasionally 15 (mostly in winter).
When
> >>>>I plow I get 10-11.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My Silverado is a '94 with a 350. Has a fiberglass cap on it also.
> >>>High-rise style.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Same here. I suspect the difference between my mileage and yours is the
> >> V-8 vs. the V-6.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I don't
> > drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year. It has
just
> > under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11 MPG
> from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent plowing
> snow or pulling stumps! :-)
>

I'll second that Eric. I've never been a fan of the 305, but it sure should
get better than that. 11 is a real ouch.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
news:y0_Qf.7171$lb.631156@news1.epix.net...
> Eric G. wrote:
>
> > Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote in news:04WQf.7166$lb.629344
> > @news1.epix.net:
> >
> >
> >>Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Matt Whiting" <whiting@epix.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:%LzQf.7129$lb.621600@news1.epix.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I have a 94 K1500 with the 4.3L V-6 and the wide ratio manual
> >>>>transmission (I forget the designation, maybe MT8, but the one with
the
> >>>>granny low ratio). Mine pretty much is stuck on 16 like yours is on
15,
> >>>>but I occasionally get 17 and occasionally 15 (mostly in winter).
When
> >>>>I plow I get 10-11.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My Silverado is a '94 with a 350. Has a fiberglass cap on it also.
> >>>High-rise style.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Same here. I suspect the difference between my mileage and yours is the
> >> V-8 vs. the V-6.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mine's an '88 305 V8 with a 3sp AT. I'm lucky if I get 11 MPG. I don't
> > drive it much anymore. No more than about 3,000 miles a year. It has
just
> > under 180,000 miles on it. No cap either.
>
> You better get it fixed as you'd have to work really hard to get 11 MPG
> from a properly tuned 305 - unless your 3,000 miles are spent plowing
> snow or pulling stumps! :-)
>

I'll second that Eric. I've never been a fan of the 305, but it sure should
get better than that. 11 is a real ouch.

--

-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:48:56 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>> As long as the oil comes up to operating temperature every start, moisture
>> and acids will not accumulate. Ideally, the engine would reach ~220 for 5
>> minutes then cool down to ~150. But we all know that's not very practical.
>> For 1 thing, hotter running engines get better gas mileage. :)
>
>Running at 150 would be very bad for an engine.

Not if it were [made] for it.

I don't know how I got into this conversation, and I want out! :-\

All I ever wanted to say is that heat is the enemy of everything except gas
mileage. Engines are a compromise betwixt economy and durability. Everything
else I said was meant to show that, and I guess I botched it. :-)

Man, it's 86 degrees out and just beautiful. My wife drove the new Sonata to
a doggone hen party when we could be out driving it.
--
Bob

Re: 2006 Sonata GLS v6 Initial Quality Feedback
 

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 18:48:56 GMT, Matt Whiting <whiting@epix.net> wrote:

>Bob Adkins wrote:
>
>
>> As long as the oil comes up to operating temperature every start, moisture
>> and acids will not accumulate. Ideally, the engine would reach ~220 for 5
>> minutes then cool down to ~150. But we all know that's not very practical.
>> For 1 thing, hotter running engines get better gas mileage. :)
>
>Running at 150 would be very bad for an engine.

Not if it were [made] for it.

I don't know how I got into this conversation, and I want out! :-\

All I ever wanted to say is that heat is the enemy of everything except gas
mileage. Engines are a compromise betwixt economy and durability. Everything
else I said was meant to show that, and I guess I botched it. :-)

Man, it's 86 degrees out and just beautiful. My wife drove the new Sonata to
a doggone hen party when we could be out driving it.
--
Bob