2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
01-15-2006 | 10:22 AM
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2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
We are having an occasional problem with steering while turning. Once
in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
01-15-2006 | 11:43 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
ROCKSROCK wrote:
> We are having an occasional problem with steering while turning. Once
> in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
> it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
> the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
The classic causes of that are low fluid level and belt slippage (which
you can usually hear). If the car has computer-controlled,
speed-sensitive steering, it may be an electronic problem.
Out of curiosity, has the dealer tested your alternator? Voltage
fluctuations can adversely affect control computers. Since you seem to
be having multiple problems that could be electronic in nature, that's a
reasonable possibility. Do your dash lights ever change brightness for
no apparent reason? That would be another indication of a voltage
problem. If the alternator and battery are OK, check the ground
connections throughout the car, particular the main grounds for the
battery and engine, and any under-dash grounds for the computer modules.
> We are having an occasional problem with steering while turning. Once
> in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
> it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
> the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
The classic causes of that are low fluid level and belt slippage (which
you can usually hear). If the car has computer-controlled,
speed-sensitive steering, it may be an electronic problem.
Out of curiosity, has the dealer tested your alternator? Voltage
fluctuations can adversely affect control computers. Since you seem to
be having multiple problems that could be electronic in nature, that's a
reasonable possibility. Do your dash lights ever change brightness for
no apparent reason? That would be another indication of a voltage
problem. If the alternator and battery are OK, check the ground
connections throughout the car, particular the main grounds for the
battery and engine, and any under-dash grounds for the computer modules.
01-15-2006 | 11:43 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
ROCKSROCK wrote:
> We are having an occasional problem with steering while turning. Once
> in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
> it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
> the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
The classic causes of that are low fluid level and belt slippage (which
you can usually hear). If the car has computer-controlled,
speed-sensitive steering, it may be an electronic problem.
Out of curiosity, has the dealer tested your alternator? Voltage
fluctuations can adversely affect control computers. Since you seem to
be having multiple problems that could be electronic in nature, that's a
reasonable possibility. Do your dash lights ever change brightness for
no apparent reason? That would be another indication of a voltage
problem. If the alternator and battery are OK, check the ground
connections throughout the car, particular the main grounds for the
battery and engine, and any under-dash grounds for the computer modules.
> We are having an occasional problem with steering while turning. Once
> in a while it seems that the power steering cuts out during a turn and
> it becomes difficult to turn the wheel. It responds again after I make
> the turn. The dealer can not find the problem. Any similar experiences?
The classic causes of that are low fluid level and belt slippage (which
you can usually hear). If the car has computer-controlled,
speed-sensitive steering, it may be an electronic problem.
Out of curiosity, has the dealer tested your alternator? Voltage
fluctuations can adversely affect control computers. Since you seem to
be having multiple problems that could be electronic in nature, that's a
reasonable possibility. Do your dash lights ever change brightness for
no apparent reason? That would be another indication of a voltage
problem. If the alternator and battery are OK, check the ground
connections throughout the car, particular the main grounds for the
battery and engine, and any under-dash grounds for the computer modules.
01-16-2006 | 05:17 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
ruled out. I've seen a similar issue in Elantras a couple times, and they
required new steering pumps. I'd recommend checking the fluid and all the
belts before jumping in that far, though.
ruled out. I've seen a similar issue in Elantras a couple times, and they
required new steering pumps. I'd recommend checking the fluid and all the
belts before jumping in that far, though.
01-16-2006 | 05:17 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
ruled out. I've seen a similar issue in Elantras a couple times, and they
required new steering pumps. I'd recommend checking the fluid and all the
belts before jumping in that far, though.
ruled out. I've seen a similar issue in Elantras a couple times, and they
required new steering pumps. I'd recommend checking the fluid and all the
belts before jumping in that far, though.
01-16-2006 | 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
hyundaitech wrote:
> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
> ruled out.
That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
that I hope you may be able to answer.
I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
reasonable to you?
> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
> ruled out.
That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
that I hope you may be able to answer.
I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
reasonable to you?
01-16-2006 | 07:21 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
hyundaitech wrote:
> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
> ruled out.
That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
that I hope you may be able to answer.
I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
reasonable to you?
> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
> ruled out.
That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
that I hope you may be able to answer.
I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
reasonable to you?
01-17-2006 | 08:06 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
>> ruled out.
>
>
> That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
> basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
> that I hope you may be able to answer.
>
> I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
> rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
> be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
> the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
> tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
> the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
> should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
> reasonable to you?
I'm not asking for you to "bless" the procedure, as I understand that
you might not want to condone such a modification. All I'm asking is if
you think the idea is mechanically sound? If nothing else, it's easily
reversible if it doesn't work.
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
>> ruled out.
>
>
> That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
> basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
> that I hope you may be able to answer.
>
> I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
> rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
> be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
> the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
> tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
> the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
> should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
> reasonable to you?
I'm not asking for you to "bless" the procedure, as I understand that
you might not want to condone such a modification. All I'm asking is if
you think the idea is mechanically sound? If nothing else, it's easily
reversible if it doesn't work.
01-17-2006 | 08:06 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
>> ruled out.
>
>
> That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
> basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
> that I hope you may be able to answer.
>
> I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
> rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
> be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
> the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
> tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
> the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
> should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
> reasonable to you?
I'm not asking for you to "bless" the procedure, as I understand that
you might not want to condone such a modification. All I'm asking is if
you think the idea is mechanically sound? If nothing else, it's easily
reversible if it doesn't work.
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> This car won't have anything electronic in the steering, so that can be
>> ruled out.
>
>
> That's good to know. I know that the Elantra's power steering is pretty
> basic and purely mechanical. That leads me to a somewhat odd question
> that I hope you may be able to answer.
>
> I really don't like power steering, having owned vehicles with manual
> rack and pinion steering for 30 years. I find the Elantra's steering to
> be over-boosted and too vague on-center. Since it IS rack and pinion and
> the steering ratio is similar to manual rack and pinion steering, I'm
> tempted to disconnect the pump and drain the fluid from the rack. With
> the hydraulic fluid removed from the rack, it stands to reason that it
> should feel and function just like a manual rack. Does this sound
> reasonable to you?
I'm not asking for you to "bless" the procedure, as I understand that
you might not want to condone such a modification. All I'm asking is if
you think the idea is mechanically sound? If nothing else, it's easily
reversible if it doesn't work.
01-17-2006 | 12:43 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
different gearing ratio than manual racks.
steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
different gearing ratio than manual racks.
01-17-2006 | 12:43 PM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
different gearing ratio than manual racks.
steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
different gearing ratio than manual racks.
01-18-2006 | 08:20 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
hyundaitech wrote:
> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
01-18-2006 | 08:20 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
hyundaitech wrote:
> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far too
> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to have a
> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
01-18-2006 | 08:44 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
>> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far
>> too
>> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to
>> have a
>> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
>
>
> I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
> system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
> to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
> is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
> steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
> 3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
>
> That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
> be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
> make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
No, but I can't imagine it would work for long. With no oil in the
rack, it is going to fail eventually from lack of lubrication.
Matt
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
>> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far
>> too
>> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to
>> have a
>> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
>
>
> I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
> system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
> to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
> is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
> steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
> 3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
>
> That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
> be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
> make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
No, but I can't imagine it would work for long. With no oil in the
rack, it is going to fail eventually from lack of lubrication.
Matt
01-18-2006 | 08:44 AM
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Re: 2001 Hyundai 4 cyl. Sonata steering problem
Brian Nystrom wrote:
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
>> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far
>> too
>> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to
>> have a
>> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
>
>
> I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
> system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
> to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
> is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
> steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
> 3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
>
> That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
> be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
> make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
No, but I can't imagine it would work for long. With no oil in the
rack, it is going to fail eventually from lack of lubrication.
Matt
> hyundaitech wrote:
>
>> In most cases, there's significant extra effort required over manual
>> steering. Any car I've ever driven with broken power steering was far
>> too
>> hard to steer. This is partly because power steering racks tend to
>> have a
>> different gearing ratio than manual racks.
>
>
> I suspect that a lot of the extra resistance is due to the fluid in the
> system. Turning the wheel forces it through the valving, which is hard
> to do without the assistance of the pump. It definitely seems that there
> is something more than just the steering ratio involved, since the
> steering effor is still quite high when the vehicle is in motion. At
> 3.15 turns lock to lock, it's not that high anyway
>
> That's the reason I was wondering if draining the rack - so you'd only
> be pushing air through the valves, rather than oil - would effectively
> make it work like a manual rack. Have you ever tried anything like this?
No, but I can't imagine it would work for long. With no oil in the
rack, it is going to fail eventually from lack of lubrication.
Matt