You forget the main point to having an SUV to drive. It lets one
driver over and crush people like you in their little wimpy econoboxs!

Of course, that doesn't always work...as the guy who tried to run me off
the road in his big 4x4 learned the hard way. I was perfectly willing to let
him hit my 1990 Jeep Eagle Talon. I figured I'd come out of the wreck OK,
and then force him to buy a nice new Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution when I
took him to court! Too bad he was smart enough to realize I was not about
to get out of his way, no matter how big his ugly truck was.

New Rule: Never play chicken with a driver who is far crazier than you are,
especially if he's greedy and has plenty of witnesses. :-)

Regards,
Mark

P.S. Realistically, most SUV owners never drive them under "off-road"
conditions, and probably couldn't do so if they wanted to. A few years
ago, I had the amusing experience of driving my low-slugn Jeep Eagle Talon
TSi AWD car all over Champaign, IL when the only other vehicles on the
roads were cop cars (slipping and sliding all over the place), snow plows
with loads of salt or sand, and a few adventurous 4WDrivers in pickups or
SUVs. I was passing all of them, even the cops! Much fun! A Crown
Victoria is *NOT* a good car to drive on snowy, icy roads...

Regards,
Mark "How fast will this Corvette go? -- gotta experiment -- Oh, wow!" Gibson

In alt.autos.mitsubishi AB <noway@nohow.com> wrote:
>My suggestion for an SUV?

>Drive it to a scrapyard...

>Here in the UK the furthest most of them get offroad is going up the kerb
>when mum drops the kids off at school...
>The Welsh police even refer to them as W*nker tankers (make it rhyme...) as
>the majority of drivers they encounter have severe attitude problems when it
>comes to other road users.
>Add to that the fact that here at least we don't get much snow, almost all
>roads are sealed, they are less manoevaerable (ever seen the results of the
>infamous elk test that caught Mercedes with their A series? SUVs do
>worse....), harder to park and drink fuel faster than a jumbo jet (at
>?82p/litre!) and they make no sense at all (apart from being a fashion
>accessory - strange reason to buy a car!)

>Seems to me the whole point of 4WD vehicles has been lost. The started out
>as a rugged go anywhere vehicle that was so simple to maintain that if you
>needed a piston and you were stuck in the middle of nowhere you could carve
>one out of a tree branch and make it well enough to get you home. Modern
>4WDs have so much electronics in them that you'd be scared to look for the
>problem and even if you found it you wouldn't be able to fix it without
>either special BMW/Mercedes/Volvo/whatever parts and tools or a degree in
>electronic control systems and acccess to a chip fabrication plant.

>Maybe there is more point to these vehicles in rural areas of the US but not
>in cities... there they are like a fish out of water and as appropriate as a
>Smart car in the desert.


>"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
>news:10mib3545vraoa0@corp.supernews.com...
>> The PC crowd (and other goof *****) hate 'em, so lacking any analytical
>> skills at all they make up nonsense (that they want to be true) about
>> their
>> owners being dumb red-necks or stupid women or wanting to destroy the
>> earth
>> (maybe even the universe) or wanting to crash into cars and chew them up
>> or
>> have small private parts or...you get it.
>>
>> The concept that people buy them because they like riding up high (better
>> visibility) and the storage space and the 4WD (very nice in rain and snow)
>> and the roominess and the ground clearance and the towing ability and the
>> durability (usually frame-on construction) and the good resale and even
>> the
>> looks cannot penetrate the heavy bone of the PC crowd's skulls, so
>> silliness
>> is generated by the little walnut sized gray matter inside that thick
>> skull.
>>
>> And yeah, SUV's definitely do have their down-sides, but owners know that
>> and, on balance, still think they are a "good thing" to have. Or they sell
>> the thing...to an eager buyer.
>>
>>
>> George
>> "JohnDoe" <jd@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:g3g1hvcn5sbe2fq84c1v038p0l5brkcqsm@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:41:09 -0700, MDT Tech? <ssauer4O@repairman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Tony Hwang wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> Only beef I have with SUV is most SUV drivers seem to be big time
>>> >> idiots. Specially the female SUV drivers.
>>> >> Tony
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Tony, they may think the same of you. You have probably formed that
>>> >opinion by reading too much anti SUV post is all. When SUV's stop
>>> >selling, they will stop making them.
>>> FWIW:
>>> SUVs account for half of all cars being sold, someone must like them
>>
>>



--
"No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
-- Unknown

 

"Mark Gibson" <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote in message
news:ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org...
>
> You forget the main point to having an SUV to drive. It lets one
> driver over and crush people like you in their little wimpy econoboxs!
>
> Of course, that doesn't always work...as the guy who tried to run me off
> the road in his big 4x4 learned the hard way. I was perfectly willing to let
> him hit my 1990 Jeep Eagle Talon. I figured I'd come out of the wreck OK,
> and then force him to buy a nice new Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution when I
> took him to court! Too bad he was smart enough to realize I was not about
> to get out of his way, no matter how big his ugly truck was.
>
> New Rule: Never play chicken with a driver who is far crazier than you are,
> especially if he's greedy and has plenty of witnesses. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> P.S. Realistically, most SUV owners never drive them under "off-road"
> conditions, and probably couldn't do so if they wanted to. A few years
> ago, I had the amusing experience of driving my low-slugn Jeep Eagle Talon
> TSi AWD car all over Champaign, IL when the only other vehicles on the
> roads were cop cars (slipping and sliding all over the place), snow plows
> with loads of salt or sand, and a few adventurous 4WDrivers in pickups or
> SUVs. I was passing all of them, even the cops! Much fun!


>A Crown
> Victoria is *NOT* a good car to drive on snowy, icy roads...

That all depends on your driving skill and tire selection. It does quite well as
most RWD vehicles do on limited traction surfaces.

>
> Regards,
> Mark "How fast will this Corvette go? -- gotta experiment -- Oh, wow!" Gibson
>
> In alt.autos.mitsubishi AB <noway@nohow.com> wrote:
> >My suggestion for an SUV?
>
> >Drive it to a scrapyard...
>
> >Here in the UK the furthest most of them get offroad is going up the kerb
> >when mum drops the kids off at school...
> >The Welsh police even refer to them as W*nker tankers (make it rhyme...) as
> >the majority of drivers they encounter have severe attitude problems when it
> >comes to other road users.
> >Add to that the fact that here at least we don't get much snow, almost all
> >roads are sealed, they are less manoevaerable (ever seen the results of the
> >infamous elk test that caught Mercedes with their A series? SUVs do
> >worse....), harder to park and drink fuel faster than a jumbo jet (at
> >?82p/litre!) and they make no sense at all (apart from being a fashion
> >accessory - strange reason to buy a car!)
>
> >Seems to me the whole point of 4WD vehicles has been lost. The started out
> >as a rugged go anywhere vehicle that was so simple to maintain that if you
> >needed a piston and you were stuck in the middle of nowhere you could carve
> >one out of a tree branch and make it well enough to get you home. Modern
> >4WDs have so much electronics in them that you'd be scared to look for the
> >problem and even if you found it you wouldn't be able to fix it without
> >either special BMW/Mercedes/Volvo/whatever parts and tools or a degree in
> >electronic control systems and acccess to a chip fabrication plant.
>
> >Maybe there is more point to these vehicles in rural areas of the US but not
> >in cities... there they are like a fish out of water and as appropriate as a
> >Smart car in the desert.
>
>
> >"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
> >news:10mib3545vraoa0@corp.supernews.com...
> >> The PC crowd (and other goof *****) hate 'em, so lacking any analytical
> >> skills at all they make up nonsense (that they want to be true) about
> >> their
> >> owners being dumb red-necks or stupid women or wanting to destroy the
> >> earth
> >> (maybe even the universe) or wanting to crash into cars and chew them up
> >> or
> >> have small private parts or...you get it.
> >>
> >> The concept that people buy them because they like riding up high (better
> >> visibility) and the storage space and the 4WD (very nice in rain and snow)
> >> and the roominess and the ground clearance and the towing ability and the
> >> durability (usually frame-on construction) and the good resale and even
> >> the
> >> looks cannot penetrate the heavy bone of the PC crowd's skulls, so
> >> silliness
> >> is generated by the little walnut sized gray matter inside that thick
> >> skull.
> >>
> >> And yeah, SUV's definitely do have their down-sides, but owners know that
> >> and, on balance, still think they are a "good thing" to have. Or they sell
> >> the thing...to an eager buyer.
> >>
> >>
> >> George
> >> "JohnDoe" <jd@home.com> wrote in message
> >> news:g3g1hvcn5sbe2fq84c1v038p0l5brkcqsm@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:41:09 -0700, MDT Tech? <ssauer4O@repairman.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Tony Hwang wrote:
> >>> >> Hi,
> >>> >> Only beef I have with SUV is most SUV drivers seem to be big time
> >>> >> idiots. Specially the female SUV drivers.
> >>> >> Tony
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Tony, they may think the same of you. You have probably formed that
> >>> >opinion by reading too much anti SUV post is all. When SUV's stop
> >>> >selling, they will stop making them.
> >>> FWIW:
> >>> SUVs account for half of all cars being sold, someone must like them
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
> -- Unknown

 

"Mark Gibson" <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote in message
news:ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org...
>
> You forget the main point to having an SUV to drive. It lets one
> driver over and crush people like you in their little wimpy econoboxs!
>
> Of course, that doesn't always work...as the guy who tried to run me off
> the road in his big 4x4 learned the hard way. I was perfectly willing to let
> him hit my 1990 Jeep Eagle Talon. I figured I'd come out of the wreck OK,
> and then force him to buy a nice new Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution when I
> took him to court! Too bad he was smart enough to realize I was not about
> to get out of his way, no matter how big his ugly truck was.
>
> New Rule: Never play chicken with a driver who is far crazier than you are,
> especially if he's greedy and has plenty of witnesses. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Mark
>
> P.S. Realistically, most SUV owners never drive them under "off-road"
> conditions, and probably couldn't do so if they wanted to. A few years
> ago, I had the amusing experience of driving my low-slugn Jeep Eagle Talon
> TSi AWD car all over Champaign, IL when the only other vehicles on the
> roads were cop cars (slipping and sliding all over the place), snow plows
> with loads of salt or sand, and a few adventurous 4WDrivers in pickups or
> SUVs. I was passing all of them, even the cops! Much fun!


>A Crown
> Victoria is *NOT* a good car to drive on snowy, icy roads...

That all depends on your driving skill and tire selection. It does quite well as
most RWD vehicles do on limited traction surfaces.

>
> Regards,
> Mark "How fast will this Corvette go? -- gotta experiment -- Oh, wow!" Gibson
>
> In alt.autos.mitsubishi AB <noway@nohow.com> wrote:
> >My suggestion for an SUV?
>
> >Drive it to a scrapyard...
>
> >Here in the UK the furthest most of them get offroad is going up the kerb
> >when mum drops the kids off at school...
> >The Welsh police even refer to them as W*nker tankers (make it rhyme...) as
> >the majority of drivers they encounter have severe attitude problems when it
> >comes to other road users.
> >Add to that the fact that here at least we don't get much snow, almost all
> >roads are sealed, they are less manoevaerable (ever seen the results of the
> >infamous elk test that caught Mercedes with their A series? SUVs do
> >worse....), harder to park and drink fuel faster than a jumbo jet (at
> >?82p/litre!) and they make no sense at all (apart from being a fashion
> >accessory - strange reason to buy a car!)
>
> >Seems to me the whole point of 4WD vehicles has been lost. The started out
> >as a rugged go anywhere vehicle that was so simple to maintain that if you
> >needed a piston and you were stuck in the middle of nowhere you could carve
> >one out of a tree branch and make it well enough to get you home. Modern
> >4WDs have so much electronics in them that you'd be scared to look for the
> >problem and even if you found it you wouldn't be able to fix it without
> >either special BMW/Mercedes/Volvo/whatever parts and tools or a degree in
> >electronic control systems and acccess to a chip fabrication plant.
>
> >Maybe there is more point to these vehicles in rural areas of the US but not
> >in cities... there they are like a fish out of water and as appropriate as a
> >Smart car in the desert.
>
>
> >"GRL" <GLitwinski@CHARTERMI.NET> wrote in message
> >news:10mib3545vraoa0@corp.supernews.com...
> >> The PC crowd (and other goof *****) hate 'em, so lacking any analytical
> >> skills at all they make up nonsense (that they want to be true) about
> >> their
> >> owners being dumb red-necks or stupid women or wanting to destroy the
> >> earth
> >> (maybe even the universe) or wanting to crash into cars and chew them up
> >> or
> >> have small private parts or...you get it.
> >>
> >> The concept that people buy them because they like riding up high (better
> >> visibility) and the storage space and the 4WD (very nice in rain and snow)
> >> and the roominess and the ground clearance and the towing ability and the
> >> durability (usually frame-on construction) and the good resale and even
> >> the
> >> looks cannot penetrate the heavy bone of the PC crowd's skulls, so
> >> silliness
> >> is generated by the little walnut sized gray matter inside that thick
> >> skull.
> >>
> >> And yeah, SUV's definitely do have their down-sides, but owners know that
> >> and, on balance, still think they are a "good thing" to have. Or they sell
> >> the thing...to an eager buyer.
> >>
> >>
> >> George
> >> "JohnDoe" <jd@home.com> wrote in message
> >> news:g3g1hvcn5sbe2fq84c1v038p0l5brkcqsm@4ax.com...
> >>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:41:09 -0700, MDT Tech? <ssauer4O@repairman.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >Tony Hwang wrote:
> >>> >> Hi,
> >>> >> Only beef I have with SUV is most SUV drivers seem to be big time
> >>> >> idiots. Specially the female SUV drivers.
> >>> >> Tony
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >Tony, they may think the same of you. You have probably formed that
> >>> >opinion by reading too much anti SUV post is all. When SUV's stop
> >>> >selling, they will stop making them.
> >>> FWIW:
> >>> SUVs account for half of all cars being sold, someone must like them
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
> -- Unknown

 

In article <ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org>,
Mark Gibson <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote:

> P.S. Realistically, most SUV owners never drive them under "off-road"
> conditions, and probably couldn't do so if they wanted to. A few years
> ago, I had the amusing experience of driving my low-slugn Jeep Eagle Talon
> TSi AWD car all over Champaign, IL when the only other vehicles on the
> roads were cop cars (slipping and sliding all over the place), snow plows
> with loads of salt or sand, and a few adventurous 4WDrivers in pickups or
> SUVs. I was passing all of them, even the cops! Much fun! A Crown
> Victoria is *NOT* a good car to drive on snowy, icy roads...

Yeah, I've never understood why they spend the money on a 4 wheel drive
only to do stupid things with it. 4 wheel drive does not mean 4 wheel
stop, and the first few idiots of a season in their shiny new SUVs make
for a good laugh. A 4 wheel drive also doesn't mean you'll make it
there as fast as if the roads were totally clear. Only that you WILL
make it, if you know how to drive it.

Anxiously awaiting snow to try out the Element on the snow.........

AL

 

In article <ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org>,
Mark Gibson <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote:

> P.S. Realistically, most SUV owners never drive them under "off-road"
> conditions, and probably couldn't do so if they wanted to. A few years
> ago, I had the amusing experience of driving my low-slugn Jeep Eagle Talon
> TSi AWD car all over Champaign, IL when the only other vehicles on the
> roads were cop cars (slipping and sliding all over the place), snow plows
> with loads of salt or sand, and a few adventurous 4WDrivers in pickups or
> SUVs. I was passing all of them, even the cops! Much fun! A Crown
> Victoria is *NOT* a good car to drive on snowy, icy roads...

Yeah, I've never understood why they spend the money on a 4 wheel drive
only to do stupid things with it. 4 wheel drive does not mean 4 wheel
stop, and the first few idiots of a season in their shiny new SUVs make
for a good laugh. A 4 wheel drive also doesn't mean you'll make it
there as fast as if the roads were totally clear. Only that you WILL
make it, if you know how to drive it.

Anxiously awaiting snow to try out the Element on the snow.........

AL

 

Thomas Moats wrote:
>> --
>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>> -- Unknown

That's Yogi Berra.

 

Thomas Moats wrote:
>> --
>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>> -- Unknown

That's Yogi Berra.

 

Get it right.

"It's so busy no one goes there anymore" (referring to a popular NY city
restaurant/bar).

"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>
>
> Thomas Moats wrote:
>>> --
>>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>>> -- Unknown
>
> That's Yogi Berra.
>
>

 

Get it right.

"It's so busy no one goes there anymore" (referring to a popular NY city
restaurant/bar).

"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>
>
> Thomas Moats wrote:
>>> --
>>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>>> -- Unknown
>
> That's Yogi Berra.
>
>

 

"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>
>
> Thomas Moats wrote:
> >> --
> >> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
> >> -- Unknown
>
> That's Yogi Berra.
>
>

Trouble following along? I did not post that.

 

"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>
>
> Thomas Moats wrote:
> >> --
> >> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
> >> -- Unknown
>
> That's Yogi Berra.
>
>

Trouble following along? I did not post that.

 

Mark Gibson <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote in message news:<ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org>...

(Snipped 10/04 reply to 9/03 thread)

Uh, Mark? *Last year* called. They want their thread back.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Just trying to follow along)

 

Mark Gibson <gibson@bluestem.prairienet.org> wrote in message news:<ckv28u$vmk$1@wildfire-pl.prairienet.org>...

(Snipped 10/04 reply to 9/03 thread)

Uh, Mark? *Last year* called. They want their thread back.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Just trying to follow along)

 

In alt.autos.mitsubishi tech27 <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote:
>Get it right.

>"It's so busy no one goes there anymore" (referring to a popular NY city
>restaurant/bar).

When you attempt to correct me, try gaining about 50 IQ points, first.

>"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> Thomas Moats wrote:
>>>> --
>>>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>>>> -- Unknown
>>
>> That's Yogi Berra.
>>
>>



--
"No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
-- Unknown

 

In alt.autos.mitsubishi tech27 <tech27@mail.anonymizer.com> wrote:
>Get it right.

>"It's so busy no one goes there anymore" (referring to a popular NY city
>restaurant/bar).

When you attempt to correct me, try gaining about 50 IQ points, first.

>"Hagrinas Mivali" <remove.to.reply@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:s9qdnexqXMNY_encRVn-hA@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>> Thomas Moats wrote:
>>>> --
>>>> "No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
>>>> -- Unknown
>>
>> That's Yogi Berra.
>>
>>



--
"No one goes there nowadays, it's too crowded."
-- Unknown