in article BC4519B7.44F3C%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org, wrote on 2/3/04 7:26 AM:

> On 2/1/04 3:28 PM, in article BC42B04D.2B97%abcs@cmc.net, "Brian
> Doennebrink" <abcs@cmc.net> wrote:
>
>> in article pV%Rb.10223$Ja2.65824@nnrp1.uunet.ca, wrote on 1/28/04 8:23 PM:
>>
>>> on my 2000 civic SiR the AC comes on automaticaly when i switch it to
>>> feet/window or just window but i can turn it off by pressing the AC button
>>> and it stays off till i switch to the floor/window or vica verca
>>>
>>>
>>> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4017F98C.A0DDCA22@mailcity.com...
>>>> Do your vehicles have a manual recirc mode? If so perhaps
>>>> you are operating in recirc mode, when you should be on
>>>> outside air.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Doennebrink wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 2 Hondas with the same problem (an Odyssey and a Civic): the
>>> windows
>>>>> regularly fog up in the fall/winter. When one puts on the defroster,
>>> it's
>>>>> "AC On." If it's like regular air conditioning, this means the gas
>>> mileage
>>>>> drops. I've even tried the "anti-fog" solution, but that doesn't work
>>> well.
>>>>> Any ideas? Please feel free to email me directly.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, they have recirc. However, when I press the front defroster button, the
>> recirc turns off; I could manually turn it back on if I wanted/needed to.
>> The third button, economy, also goes off.
>>
>
> I don't know if this applies to your cars, but .... The manual with my 2002
> Pathfinder recommends changing the cabin air filter if the defroster loses
> effectiveness in defogging the windows. If your cars are new enough to have
> cabin air filters, when was the last time they were changed?
>
>
Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

 

in article BC4519B7.44F3C%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org, wrote on 2/3/04 7:26 AM:

> On 2/1/04 3:28 PM, in article BC42B04D.2B97%abcs@cmc.net, "Brian
> Doennebrink" <abcs@cmc.net> wrote:
>
>> in article pV%Rb.10223$Ja2.65824@nnrp1.uunet.ca, wrote on 1/28/04 8:23 PM:
>>
>>> on my 2000 civic SiR the AC comes on automaticaly when i switch it to
>>> feet/window or just window but i can turn it off by pressing the AC button
>>> and it stays off till i switch to the floor/window or vica verca
>>>
>>>
>>> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4017F98C.A0DDCA22@mailcity.com...
>>>> Do your vehicles have a manual recirc mode? If so perhaps
>>>> you are operating in recirc mode, when you should be on
>>>> outside air.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Doennebrink wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 2 Hondas with the same problem (an Odyssey and a Civic): the
>>> windows
>>>>> regularly fog up in the fall/winter. When one puts on the defroster,
>>> it's
>>>>> "AC On." If it's like regular air conditioning, this means the gas
>>> mileage
>>>>> drops. I've even tried the "anti-fog" solution, but that doesn't work
>>> well.
>>>>> Any ideas? Please feel free to email me directly.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, they have recirc. However, when I press the front defroster button, the
>> recirc turns off; I could manually turn it back on if I wanted/needed to.
>> The third button, economy, also goes off.
>>
>
> I don't know if this applies to your cars, but .... The manual with my 2002
> Pathfinder recommends changing the cabin air filter if the defroster loses
> effectiveness in defogging the windows. If your cars are new enough to have
> cabin air filters, when was the last time they were changed?
>
>
Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

 

in article BC4519B7.44F3C%e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org, wrote on 2/3/04 7:26 AM:

> On 2/1/04 3:28 PM, in article BC42B04D.2B97%abcs@cmc.net, "Brian
> Doennebrink" <abcs@cmc.net> wrote:
>
>> in article pV%Rb.10223$Ja2.65824@nnrp1.uunet.ca, wrote on 1/28/04 8:23 PM:
>>
>>> on my 2000 civic SiR the AC comes on automaticaly when i switch it to
>>> feet/window or just window but i can turn it off by pressing the AC button
>>> and it stays off till i switch to the floor/window or vica verca
>>>
>>>
>>> <MikeHunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4017F98C.A0DDCA22@mailcity.com...
>>>> Do your vehicles have a manual recirc mode? If so perhaps
>>>> you are operating in recirc mode, when you should be on
>>>> outside air.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> mike hunt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Doennebrink wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 2 Hondas with the same problem (an Odyssey and a Civic): the
>>> windows
>>>>> regularly fog up in the fall/winter. When one puts on the defroster,
>>> it's
>>>>> "AC On." If it's like regular air conditioning, this means the gas
>>> mileage
>>>>> drops. I've even tried the "anti-fog" solution, but that doesn't work
>>> well.
>>>>> Any ideas? Please feel free to email me directly.
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, they have recirc. However, when I press the front defroster button, the
>> recirc turns off; I could manually turn it back on if I wanted/needed to.
>> The third button, economy, also goes off.
>>
>
> I don't know if this applies to your cars, but .... The manual with my 2002
> Pathfinder recommends changing the cabin air filter if the defroster loses
> effectiveness in defogging the windows. If your cars are new enough to have
> cabin air filters, when was the last time they were changed?
>
>
Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

 

"'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:

> I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> smoke out the window :-(

Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?

> Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

 

"'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:

> I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> smoke out the window :-(

Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?

> Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

 

"'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:

> I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> smoke out the window :-(

Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?

> Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

 

"'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:

> I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> smoke out the window :-(

Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?

> Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

 

Brian Doennebrink wrote:

> Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
> enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
> groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
> windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
> getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

=====================

Brian,

I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
smoke out the window :-(

Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

'Curly'

=====================

 

Brian Doennebrink wrote:

> Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
> enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
> groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
> windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
> getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

=====================

Brian,

I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
smoke out the window :-(

Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

'Curly'

=====================

 

Brian Doennebrink wrote:

> Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
> enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
> groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
> windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
> getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

=====================

Brian,

I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
smoke out the window :-(

Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

'Curly'

=====================

 

Brian Doennebrink wrote:

> Thanks for the idea. I've never changed them. One of the vehicles is old
> enough for its filter to probably need changing. Someone else in one of the
> groups suggested those items one puts on the top angled part of the front
> windows, which allows one to slightly open the window without the rain
> getting in (and I've always wondered what those were for...)

=====================

Brian,

I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
smoke out the window :-(

Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(

'Curly'

=====================

 

Randolph wrote:
>
> "'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:
>
> > I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> > would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> > smoke out the window :-(
>
> Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
> done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
> scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
> smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?
=============

They'd just butt them on the plastic wind deflector that Brian was
describing++

===========
>
> > Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> > think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> > scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(
>
> So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
> from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

===============
Randolph,

I can see where this is leading, but I will not allow myself to be drawn
into a 'Lawyer Joke' session ! You can choose your friends, but I'm
stuck with my relatives. :-(

'Curly'

===========

 

Randolph wrote:
>
> "'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:
>
> > I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> > would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> > smoke out the window :-(
>
> Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
> done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
> scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
> smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?
=============

They'd just butt them on the plastic wind deflector that Brian was
describing++

===========
>
> > Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> > think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> > scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(
>
> So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
> from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

===============
Randolph,

I can see where this is leading, but I will not allow myself to be drawn
into a 'Lawyer Joke' session ! You can choose your friends, but I'm
stuck with my relatives. :-(

'Curly'

===========

 

Randolph wrote:
>
> "'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:
>
> > I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> > would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> > smoke out the window :-(
>
> Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
> done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
> scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
> smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?
=============

They'd just butt them on the plastic wind deflector that Brian was
describing++

===========
>
> > Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> > think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> > scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(
>
> So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
> from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

===============
Randolph,

I can see where this is leading, but I will not allow myself to be drawn
into a 'Lawyer Joke' session ! You can choose your friends, but I'm
stuck with my relatives. :-(

'Curly'

===========

 

Randolph wrote:
>
> "'Curly Q. Links'" wrote:
>
> > I thought those things were invented by a smoker who thought their car
> > would still smell 'showroom clean' if they could just vent all that
> > smoke out the window :-(
>
> Interesting perspective, Curly. 17% of Californians smoke. Smoking is
> done predominantly by people on the lower end of the socioeconomic
> scale. Then, in California, what proportion of buyers of *new* cars
> smoke? If new cars came without ashtrays, how many people would care?
=============

They'd just butt them on the plastic wind deflector that Brian was
describing++

===========
>
> > Turns out the human lung isn't nearly as efficient a filter as some
> > think. Laboratory rats' lungs make better filters, but when the
> > scientists cut them out, the rats always die. :-(
>
> So one should think second hand smoke from rats is less harmful than
> from people? Good to know when selecting friends.

===============
Randolph,

I can see where this is leading, but I will not allow myself to be drawn
into a 'Lawyer Joke' session ! You can choose your friends, but I'm
stuck with my relatives. :-(

'Curly'

===========