Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
the world, but mostly in the far east.


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:q3tAg.14568$Ju.1592@trndny09...
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vhpAg.14872$PO.7627@dukeread03...
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>>>
>>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>>>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>>>2) Honda
>>>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Make that:
>>>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>>>> 2) Honda
>>>>> 3) Ford
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>>>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>>>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action.
>>>> Nissan, on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in
>>>> bed with at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>>>
>>>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much
>>>> higher probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly
>>> in California.
>>> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87)
>>> and the Prizm.
>>
>>
>> What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
>> before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most
>> of the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still
>> seems to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door
>> handles, but those are no biggie.
>
>
> They used a lot of Delco electrics in those, and they just aren't as
> durable as Denso.
>

 

Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
the world, but mostly in the far east.


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:q3tAg.14568$Ju.1592@trndny09...
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vhpAg.14872$PO.7627@dukeread03...
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>>>
>>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>>>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>>>2) Honda
>>>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Make that:
>>>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>>>> 2) Honda
>>>>> 3) Ford
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>>>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>>>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action.
>>>> Nissan, on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in
>>>> bed with at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>>>
>>>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much
>>>> higher probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly
>>> in California.
>>> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87)
>>> and the Prizm.
>>
>>
>> What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
>> before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most
>> of the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still
>> seems to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door
>> handles, but those are no biggie.
>
>
> They used a lot of Delco electrics in those, and they just aren't as
> durable as Denso.
>

 

Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
the world, but mostly in the far east.


mike hunt


"Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
news:q3tAg.14568$Ju.1592@trndny09...
>
> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vhpAg.14872$PO.7627@dukeread03...
>>
>> "Hachiroku" <Trueno@ae86.GTS> wrote in message
>> news:2DmAg.3059$sy2.2356@trndny01...
>>>
>>> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7BdAg.7811$oz.4764@trnddc07...
>>>> Hachiroku wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:21:30 +0000, John Horner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Toyota
>>>>>>2) Honda
>>>>>>3) Hyundai
>>>>>>4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Make that:
>>>>> 1) Toyota-GM
>>>>> 2) Honda
>>>>> 3) Ford
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An interesting take. I can't see Toyota going all the way to the altar
>>>> with GM though. What would Toyota get out of it? Also, Toyota has a
>>>> long history of being an independent company in mind and action.
>>>> Nissan, on the other hand, started out as a company which was always in
>>>> bed with at least one foreign company and continues that pattern today.
>>>>
>>>> I can see the long-shot Nissan-Renault-GM deal happening as a much
>>>> higher probability than an Toyota-GM tie up.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>
>>> GM/Toyota have been manufacturing cars for a LONG time as NUMMI, mostly
>>> in California.
>>> They gave us some of the worst Toyotas ever, namely the Nova (~85-87)
>>> and the Prizm.
>>
>>
>> What's so bad about the Prizm? Or are you talking about some prizms made
>> before 93 that I don't know about. I love my 95' and it seems that most
>> of the reviews I've read on it are good as well. It's at 140K and still
>> seems to run stong. Granted I've had to replace the interior door
>> handles, but those are no biggie.
>
>
> They used a lot of Delco electrics in those, and they just aren't as
> durable as Denso.
>

 

"enginerd477" <keeneeng@corning.com> wrote in message
news:1154606683.637705.184110@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> JohnR66 wrote:
>> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
>> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
>> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
>> prices have put that one to bed.
>> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
>> want another trip down memory lane.
>
> John
> I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
> cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
> looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
> trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
> whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
> would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
> the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
> more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
> opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.
>
I'm not a car designer by any means, but Ford should stop doing silly things
like with the Focus: Why the hell keep the performance engine out of the ZX3
and only in the sedan? Compare the tired styling of the Focus to the modern
look of the foreign offerings! The same with GM's Cobalt. Too much leftover
styling from the Cavalier. As quoted from Edmund's review, "Cobalt's design
seems rather bland and its materials low-grade". The Japanese vehicles tend
to put technology in to engines of even the lowest priced models, such as
VVT for good performance from smaller engines that get great gas mileage.

John

 

"enginerd477" <keeneeng@corning.com> wrote in message
news:1154606683.637705.184110@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> JohnR66 wrote:
>> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
>> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
>> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
>> prices have put that one to bed.
>> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
>> want another trip down memory lane.
>
> John
> I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
> cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
> looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
> trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
> whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
> would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
> the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
> more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
> opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.
>
I'm not a car designer by any means, but Ford should stop doing silly things
like with the Focus: Why the hell keep the performance engine out of the ZX3
and only in the sedan? Compare the tired styling of the Focus to the modern
look of the foreign offerings! The same with GM's Cobalt. Too much leftover
styling from the Cavalier. As quoted from Edmund's review, "Cobalt's design
seems rather bland and its materials low-grade". The Japanese vehicles tend
to put technology in to engines of even the lowest priced models, such as
VVT for good performance from smaller engines that get great gas mileage.

John

 

"enginerd477" <keeneeng@corning.com> wrote in message
news:1154606683.637705.184110@s13g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> JohnR66 wrote:
>> > Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>> > IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>> I agree with you, but there is not a single gotta-have vehicle for the
>> under 21 year old trendsetter in the current GM or Ford lineups. Not a
>> single one. Two years ago the Hummer was on such a list, but high fuel
>> prices have put that one to bed.
>> Even the Corvette and Mustang are really cars for middle age guys who
>> want another trip down memory lane.
>
> John
> I was wondering what you think GM and Ford should be putting in their
> cars or doing to them to give them more of a youth's appeal. You
> looking for more sportier with wings and ground effects? i'm not
> trying to bash you, i am asking because i am an engineering student
> whom is trying to pursue a career in the automotive industry and i
> would like to hear yours and anyone elses opinions on what you think
> the American car manufacturers need to do with their cars to make them
> more suitable for the public so that they can stay in the top 3. all
> opinion are greatly appreciated, thanks.
>
I'm not a car designer by any means, but Ford should stop doing silly things
like with the Focus: Why the hell keep the performance engine out of the ZX3
and only in the sedan? Compare the tired styling of the Focus to the modern
look of the foreign offerings! The same with GM's Cobalt. Too much leftover
styling from the Cavalier. As quoted from Edmund's review, "Cobalt's design
seems rather bland and its materials low-grade". The Japanese vehicles tend
to put technology in to engines of even the lowest priced models, such as
VVT for good performance from smaller engines that get great gas mileage.

John

 

Taxation on petrol has prompted new technology to go away from petrol
and thus promoted smaller cars, bigger trains and better economy

US could do well emulating Europe

Europe has been improving a lot its transport system over the last
decades and not the least because of controlled taxation by taxing
petrol and promoting alternatives

Market economy with lots of interventions by the governments in health
care and unemployment benefits has created a very good balance and a
strong middle class

The high unemployment rates are mainly in former east areas and results
of former centralised controled governments

The production per manhours is much higher in Europe than in the US

The norm is for 6 weeks paid vacations, many countries 35 hour work
weeks, not unusual around 50 year pension schemes

The underground economy where people pay each other without letting the
government know is also quite high so the overall economy is much
better than the official figures show

Unemployed people, people on holidays, medical benefits or pensions are
often working and paid with black money giving extra strenght to the
economy

The US could learn a lot from Europe but they do not because they think
they know it all



Mike Hunter wrote:
> Excessive taxation slows economic growth. Hence the poor economic growth in
> Europe, over the past ten years or so, and the high unemployment rates.
> Free medical is anything but free. Surly you do not want the US to emulate
> Europe?
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154635278.346045.298700@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Why do you think gas cost
> >> $6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax?
> >
> > In order to promote good transport systems and it is working
> >

 

Taxation on petrol has prompted new technology to go away from petrol
and thus promoted smaller cars, bigger trains and better economy

US could do well emulating Europe

Europe has been improving a lot its transport system over the last
decades and not the least because of controlled taxation by taxing
petrol and promoting alternatives

Market economy with lots of interventions by the governments in health
care and unemployment benefits has created a very good balance and a
strong middle class

The high unemployment rates are mainly in former east areas and results
of former centralised controled governments

The production per manhours is much higher in Europe than in the US

The norm is for 6 weeks paid vacations, many countries 35 hour work
weeks, not unusual around 50 year pension schemes

The underground economy where people pay each other without letting the
government know is also quite high so the overall economy is much
better than the official figures show

Unemployed people, people on holidays, medical benefits or pensions are
often working and paid with black money giving extra strenght to the
economy

The US could learn a lot from Europe but they do not because they think
they know it all



Mike Hunter wrote:
> Excessive taxation slows economic growth. Hence the poor economic growth in
> Europe, over the past ten years or so, and the high unemployment rates.
> Free medical is anything but free. Surly you do not want the US to emulate
> Europe?
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154635278.346045.298700@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Why do you think gas cost
> >> $6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax?
> >
> > In order to promote good transport systems and it is working
> >

 

Taxation on petrol has prompted new technology to go away from petrol
and thus promoted smaller cars, bigger trains and better economy

US could do well emulating Europe

Europe has been improving a lot its transport system over the last
decades and not the least because of controlled taxation by taxing
petrol and promoting alternatives

Market economy with lots of interventions by the governments in health
care and unemployment benefits has created a very good balance and a
strong middle class

The high unemployment rates are mainly in former east areas and results
of former centralised controled governments

The production per manhours is much higher in Europe than in the US

The norm is for 6 weeks paid vacations, many countries 35 hour work
weeks, not unusual around 50 year pension schemes

The underground economy where people pay each other without letting the
government know is also quite high so the overall economy is much
better than the official figures show

Unemployed people, people on holidays, medical benefits or pensions are
often working and paid with black money giving extra strenght to the
economy

The US could learn a lot from Europe but they do not because they think
they know it all



Mike Hunter wrote:
> Excessive taxation slows economic growth. Hence the poor economic growth in
> Europe, over the past ten years or so, and the high unemployment rates.
> Free medical is anything but free. Surly you do not want the US to emulate
> Europe?
>
> mike hunt
>
>
> "Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1154635278.346045.298700@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> > Mike Hunter wrote:
> >> Why do you think gas cost
> >> $6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax?
> >
> > In order to promote good transport systems and it is working
> >

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
> the world, but mostly in the far east.
>
>
> mike hunt


You are quite incorrect. Denso is one of the largest parts
manufacturers in the world. For decades they went by the name
Nippondenso, but for some reason shortened the name a few years back.

You can see a list of some of Denso's US factories at:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/locations/locations.html

Some are 100% owned by Denso, some are joint ventures. Most of Denso's
production is outside of the US, but they are expanding in the US all
the time.

Denso's sales for the quarter ended June 2006 were 856.2 billion yen,
~ US$7.4 billion

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=348

In fact, GM named Denso it's supplier Company of the Year for 2006:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=345

To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". By that I
mean saying things with seeming authority yet getting the facts wrong.
You remind me of a Marketing VP I used to work with. His favorite
saying was: "Often wrong, but never in doubt".

John

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
> the world, but mostly in the far east.
>
>
> mike hunt


You are quite incorrect. Denso is one of the largest parts
manufacturers in the world. For decades they went by the name
Nippondenso, but for some reason shortened the name a few years back.

You can see a list of some of Denso's US factories at:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/locations/locations.html

Some are 100% owned by Denso, some are joint ventures. Most of Denso's
production is outside of the US, but they are expanding in the US all
the time.

Denso's sales for the quarter ended June 2006 were 856.2 billion yen,
~ US$7.4 billion

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=348

In fact, GM named Denso it's supplier Company of the Year for 2006:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=345

To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". By that I
mean saying things with seeming authority yet getting the facts wrong.
You remind me of a Marketing VP I used to work with. His favorite
saying was: "Often wrong, but never in doubt".

John

 

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Denso Global is only a Japanese sales company. They buy parts made all over
> the world, but mostly in the far east.
>
>
> mike hunt


You are quite incorrect. Denso is one of the largest parts
manufacturers in the world. For decades they went by the name
Nippondenso, but for some reason shortened the name a few years back.

You can see a list of some of Denso's US factories at:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/locations/locations.html

Some are 100% owned by Denso, some are joint ventures. Most of Denso's
production is outside of the US, but they are expanding in the US all
the time.

Denso's sales for the quarter ended June 2006 were 856.2 billion yen,
~ US$7.4 billion

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=348

In fact, GM named Denso it's supplier Company of the Year for 2006:

http://www.densocorp-na.com/news/pr.asp?Action=345

To borrow a phrase from Ronald Reagan: "There you go again". By that I
mean saying things with seeming authority yet getting the facts wrong.
You remind me of a Marketing VP I used to work with. His favorite
saying was: "Often wrong, but never in doubt".

John

 

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:08:20 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Hondas employees in the US do not get as good a wage, benefits, including
>healthcare, or pensions as do GMs employees. Surely you do not believe that
>national health coverage will be free, do you?

No, but it costs a lot less than health care in the US and everyone
has it.



Why do you think gas cost
>$6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax? LOL
>
>
>mike
>
>
>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:cqo3d2938dth3uoul4aacjs9354e04iuee@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>>> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>>> >
>>>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) Toyota
>>>> >> 2) Honda
>>>> >> 3) Hyundai
>>>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>>>> > piece
>>>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>>> >
>>>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>>>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>>>> All
>>>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as
>>>> they
>>>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>>>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota,
>>>> Honda
>>>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor
>>>> trend is
>>>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>>>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>>>first.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
>> health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
>> off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
>> while Honda doesn't?
>>
>>
>

 

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:08:20 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Hondas employees in the US do not get as good a wage, benefits, including
>healthcare, or pensions as do GMs employees. Surely you do not believe that
>national health coverage will be free, do you?

No, but it costs a lot less than health care in the US and everyone
has it.



Why do you think gas cost
>$6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax? LOL
>
>
>mike
>
>
>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:cqo3d2938dth3uoul4aacjs9354e04iuee@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>>> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>>> >
>>>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) Toyota
>>>> >> 2) Honda
>>>> >> 3) Hyundai
>>>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>>>> > piece
>>>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>>> >
>>>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>>>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>>>> All
>>>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as
>>>> they
>>>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>>>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota,
>>>> Honda
>>>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor
>>>> trend is
>>>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>>>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>>>first.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
>> health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
>> off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
>> while Honda doesn't?
>>
>>
>

 

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 15:08:20 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Hondas employees in the US do not get as good a wage, benefits, including
>healthcare, or pensions as do GMs employees. Surely you do not believe that
>national health coverage will be free, do you?

No, but it costs a lot less than health care in the US and everyone
has it.



Why do you think gas cost
>$6 or more in Europe and they have a VAT tax? LOL
>
>
>mike
>
>
>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:cqo3d2938dth3uoul4aacjs9354e04iuee@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:18:00 GMT, " dbu." <howard@dynoisadork.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <JnbAg.208187$mF2.71992@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
>>> "JohnR66" <nospam@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Reasoned Insanity" <mintclovers@@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:329Ag.14787$PO.7806@dukeread03...
>>>> >
>>>> > "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> > news:uH8Ag.3649$8v.1563@trnddc05...
>>>> >> My prediction for the 2016 *retail* US sales rankings:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) Toyota
>>>> >> 2) Honda
>>>> >> 3) Hyundai
>>>> >> 4) GM-Ford (as a merged company)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Why is Hyundai on the list? Everything I have seen made by them is a
>>>> > piece
>>>> > of compared to anything Japaneese or American.
>>>> >
>>>> Hundai is a heck of a success story. Near death after selling a bunch of
>>>> crappy cars, they turned things completely around in recent years.
>>>>
>>>> Don't give up on Ford or GM they can make a comeback.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, their fist big step is making cars that appeal to younger people.
>>>> All
>>>> the teens want Hondas and Toyotas and probably continue buying them as
>>>> they
>>>> age. I've worked for the same emplyer for 17 years and know many people
>>>> well. If they're not driving a Ford or GM truck, then it is a Toyota,
>>>> Honda
>>>> or Mazda. Many of the US passenger cars are older models. One minor
>>>> trend is
>>>> a couple of new Ford Fusions out in the lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>Their first big step is unloading all the union contracts. They are
>>>watching Northwest do in their unions. GM will follow. Cut overhead
>>>first.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you want to level the playing field, then let's have national
>> health coverage like all the other industrialized countries. Get it
>> off the back of the corporations. Why should GM have to pay for it
>> while Honda doesn't?
>>
>>
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