Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On Jul 14, 11:57 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> ACAR wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 9:35 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> ACAR wrote:
>
> >> <snip for clarity>
>
> >>> On the other hand, your local dealership can't make it off new car
> >>> sales. They need a thriving used car and service business to turn a
> >>> profit.
> >> unless a dealer is utterly incompetent managing their franchise, that
> >> simply can't be true. if you check company accounts for fleet
> >> purchases, cars are bought in volume for prices as low as 50% of msrp.
> >> if an end user can buy them that cheap, you can bet the dealer can too.
>
> > While I've seen domestics that cheap, I haven't seen Hondas sold at
> > 50%. And notice how the domestics are trying to get out of that
> > unprofitable practice.
>
> but you said "your local dealership can't make it off new car sales".
> it's the manufacturer that takes it in the shorts from deep discounting,
> not the dealer.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Honda dealership - is that better?

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

ACAR wrote:
> On Jul 14, 11:57 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> ACAR wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 9:35 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> ACAR wrote:
>>>> <snip for clarity>
>>>>> On the other hand, your local dealership can't make it off new car
>>>>> sales. They need a thriving used car and service business to turn a
>>>>> profit.
>>>> unless a dealer is utterly incompetent managing their franchise, that
>>>> simply can't be true. if you check company accounts for fleet
>>>> purchases, cars are bought in volume for prices as low as 50% of msrp.
>>>> if an end user can buy them that cheap, you can bet the dealer can too.
>>> While I've seen domestics that cheap, I haven't seen Hondas sold at
>>> 50%. And notice how the domestics are trying to get out of that
>>> unprofitable practice.
>> but you said "your local dealership can't make it off new car sales".
>> it's the manufacturer that takes it in the shorts from deep discounting,
>> not the dealer.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Honda dealership - is that better?
>

no! it's corporate that takes the loss, not the retailer! retailers
get great margins - how else do you think they pay for that
high-visibility acreage? and sales commissions to the person you meet
when you walk in the door? and hugely expensive advertising that keeps
your local newspapers afloat?

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

ACAR wrote:
> On Jul 14, 11:57 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> ACAR wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 9:35 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> ACAR wrote:
>>>> <snip for clarity>
>>>>> On the other hand, your local dealership can't make it off new car
>>>>> sales. They need a thriving used car and service business to turn a
>>>>> profit.
>>>> unless a dealer is utterly incompetent managing their franchise, that
>>>> simply can't be true. if you check company accounts for fleet
>>>> purchases, cars are bought in volume for prices as low as 50% of msrp.
>>>> if an end user can buy them that cheap, you can bet the dealer can too.
>>> While I've seen domestics that cheap, I haven't seen Hondas sold at
>>> 50%. And notice how the domestics are trying to get out of that
>>> unprofitable practice.
>> but you said "your local dealership can't make it off new car sales".
>> it's the manufacturer that takes it in the shorts from deep discounting,
>> not the dealer.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Honda dealership - is that better?
>

no! it's corporate that takes the loss, not the retailer! retailers
get great margins - how else do you think they pay for that
high-visibility acreage? and sales commissions to the person you meet
when you walk in the door? and hugely expensive advertising that keeps
your local newspapers afloat?

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

ACAR wrote:
> On Jul 14, 11:57 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> ACAR wrote:
>>> On Jul 13, 9:35 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> ACAR wrote:
>>>> <snip for clarity>
>>>>> On the other hand, your local dealership can't make it off new car
>>>>> sales. They need a thriving used car and service business to turn a
>>>>> profit.
>>>> unless a dealer is utterly incompetent managing their franchise, that
>>>> simply can't be true. if you check company accounts for fleet
>>>> purchases, cars are bought in volume for prices as low as 50% of msrp.
>>>> if an end user can buy them that cheap, you can bet the dealer can too.
>>> While I've seen domestics that cheap, I haven't seen Hondas sold at
>>> 50%. And notice how the domestics are trying to get out of that
>>> unprofitable practice.
>> but you said "your local dealership can't make it off new car sales".
>> it's the manufacturer that takes it in the shorts from deep discounting,
>> not the dealer.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Honda dealership - is that better?
>

no! it's corporate that takes the loss, not the retailer! retailers
get great margins - how else do you think they pay for that
high-visibility acreage? and sales commissions to the person you meet
when you walk in the door? and hugely expensive advertising that keeps
your local newspapers afloat?

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

In article <1184162611.182148.210310@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups. com>,
"void.no.spam.com@gmail.com" <void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> wrote:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.

I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
replacement as they were seeping.
A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

In article <1184162611.182148.210310@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups. com>,
"void.no.spam.com@gmail.com" <void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> wrote:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.

I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
replacement as they were seeping.
A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

In article <1184162611.182148.210310@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups. com>,
"void.no.spam.com@gmail.com" <void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> wrote:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.

I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
replacement as they were seeping.
A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:47:05 GMT, Just Facts <Jfact@intnet.wrld>
wrote:

>Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.
>
>I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
>About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
>replacement as they were seeping.
>A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
>me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

If you loosen them, they might seep.

Just sayin'.

Out of curiosity, how old was the car with how many miles?

J.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:47:05 GMT, Just Facts <Jfact@intnet.wrld>
wrote:

>Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.
>
>I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
>About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
>replacement as they were seeping.
>A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
>me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

If you loosen them, they might seep.

Just sayin'.

Out of curiosity, how old was the car with how many miles?

J.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:47:05 GMT, Just Facts <Jfact@intnet.wrld>
wrote:

>Depends on the dealer, but I'm sure they will make it up someway.
>
>I tell the shop what I want, if they find something else I discuss it.
>About 6 years ago I was told my auto transmission cooling tubes needed
>replacement as they were seeping.
>A year later I asked a different dealer to check same and get back to
>me; they advised me the clamps just needed tightening.

If you loosen them, they might seep.

Just sayin'.

Out of curiosity, how old was the car with how many miles?

J.

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On 2007-07-11 10:03:31 -0400, "void.no.spam.com@gmail.com"
<void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> said:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

It means that you will still be overpaying.

-slim

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On 2007-07-11 10:03:31 -0400, "void.no.spam.com@gmail.com"
<void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> said:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

It means that you will still be overpaying.

-slim

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On 2007-07-11 10:03:31 -0400, "void.no.spam.com@gmail.com"
<void.no.spam.com@gmail.com> said:

> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?

It means that you will still be overpaying.

-slim

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On 2007-07-12 07:55:08 -0400, Chief_Billy@hotmail.com said:

> On Jul 11, 10:03 am, "void.no.spam....@gmail.com"
> <void.no.spam....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
>> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
>> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?
>
> At MY dealership, I get the 10% discount off the final, before-tax
> price.

Which means you still paid 30% more than you had to.

-slim

Re: When a dealer offers 10% off maintenance?
 

On 2007-07-12 07:55:08 -0400, Chief_Billy@hotmail.com said:

> On Jul 11, 10:03 am, "void.no.spam....@gmail.com"
> <void.no.spam....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What does it mean if a dealer tells you they will give you 10% off
>> maintenance? Will they really give you the discount, or will they
>> jack up the price by 10% so that it doesn't mean anything?
>
> At MY dealership, I get the 10% discount off the final, before-tax
> price.

Which means you still paid 30% more than you had to.

-slim