"televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158535419.462415.87510@m7g2000cwm.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>> I never said you stated it. I said if you did state that's the interval
>> you
>> use, I don't care. But when you post that others should in an open
>> forum,
>> there will be active debate on it.
>
> "You could go ahead and change your oil at 1500 and I won't care. When
> you recommend others do the same despite changes in modern engineering
> (i.e. engines are better, oil is better and we have better ways of
> predicting it's condition), someone will challenge that advice."

Yup, no where in there did I sate you said it. Reading comprehension is not
primary to you I see.

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>> affects engine life.
>
> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.

I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

>> But to whoever said there's no data relating oil
>> change intervals to engine longevity, you're wrong.
>
> That's not what I said.
>
> You have to read carefully. You have to write even more carefully.

Reading comprehension is not high on his list.

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>> affects engine life.
>
> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.

I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

>> But to whoever said there's no data relating oil
>> change intervals to engine longevity, you're wrong.
>
> That's not what I said.
>
> You have to read carefully. You have to write even more carefully.

Reading comprehension is not high on his list.

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>> affects engine life.
>
> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.

I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

>> But to whoever said there's no data relating oil
>> change intervals to engine longevity, you're wrong.
>
> That's not what I said.
>
> You have to read carefully. You have to write even more carefully.

Reading comprehension is not high on his list.

 

Seth wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>> affects engine life.
>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>
> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
> he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
example, Seth.

Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
not what I'd call extreme.

 

Seth wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>> affects engine life.
>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>
> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
> he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
example, Seth.

Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
not what I'd call extreme.

 

Seth wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>> affects engine life.
>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>
> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo and
> he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.

Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
example, Seth.

Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
not what I'd call extreme.

 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:jclPg.2381$vJ2.362@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com ...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>>> affects engine life.
>>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>>
>> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo
>> and he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.
>
> Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
> example, Seth.
>
> Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
> not what I'd call extreme.

Good point.

 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:jclPg.2381$vJ2.362@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com ...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>>> affects engine life.
>>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>>
>> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo
>> and he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.
>
> Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
> example, Seth.
>
> Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
> not what I'd call extreme.

Good point.

 

"Unquestionably Confused" <puzzled2@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:jclPg.2381$vJ2.362@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com ...
> Seth wrote:
>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:SUkPg.8849$v%4.2706@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>> "televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> The 500mi vs. 7,500mi OCI was an extreme example to illustrate how oil
>>>> affects engine life.
>>> Sorry, I do not buy the proposal that even a 500 mile interval is
>>> necessarily superior to a 7500 mile interval.
>>
>> I'm gonna give him the beneift of the doubt and say the above was a typo
>> and he meant to say 5000 vs. 7500.
>
> Doubt that it was a typo. That's why he referred to it as an extreme
> example, Seth.
>
> Arguing between the merits of a 7,500 mi oil change and one at 5,000 is
> not what I'd call extreme.

Good point.

 

In article <1158535419.462415.87510@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.c om>,
"televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There
> was a contest in California decades ago about which organization could
> put the most mileage on a car within one year. Not sure about the
> specifics, but a Civic won with 1,000,000 miles.

I claim bullshit.

A year is 8,760 hours. A million miles in 8,760 hours calculates
to....drum roll, please....114+ miles per hour.

That's straight running, with no stopping for fuel or driver changes.

Let's say fuel and driver changes are simultaneous, at 5 minutes every,
oh, 400 miles. That's 2500 stops right there. 2500 times 5 is 12,500
minutes, or 208 hours. Now instead of 8760 driving hours, you have only
8552 driving hours.

Oil changes every 1K miles? Let's say an oil change takes 5 minutes
(I'm being generous here). Let's further say that it happens, on
average, during a fuel/driver change. So let's not even calculate the
extra oil change time; let's leave straight available drive time at 8552
hours.

1,000,000 miles over 8552 hours is 117 miles per hour.

So this Civic drove between 114 and 117 mph for a year straight?



> I'm sure a
> quick search will yield an article.

Well, then, why don't you do that. I'm sure the article would tell us
how a Civic went 115mph straight for a year, with no hiccups in any of
the fuel/driver/oil change periods, all of them running at an optimal 5
minutes.

Or maybe my quick calculations are all you need to back down on this
particular fable.


<snip random stuff about synthetic oils)

> Of course, this is all my opinion.

Your calculator has an opinion? Gee, mine just does calculations.
Maybe my calculator is operating in some number base that yours doesn't?

Was that 1,000,000 miles in base 2?

 

In article <1158535419.462415.87510@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.c om>,
"televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There
> was a contest in California decades ago about which organization could
> put the most mileage on a car within one year. Not sure about the
> specifics, but a Civic won with 1,000,000 miles.

I claim bullshit.

A year is 8,760 hours. A million miles in 8,760 hours calculates
to....drum roll, please....114+ miles per hour.

That's straight running, with no stopping for fuel or driver changes.

Let's say fuel and driver changes are simultaneous, at 5 minutes every,
oh, 400 miles. That's 2500 stops right there. 2500 times 5 is 12,500
minutes, or 208 hours. Now instead of 8760 driving hours, you have only
8552 driving hours.

Oil changes every 1K miles? Let's say an oil change takes 5 minutes
(I'm being generous here). Let's further say that it happens, on
average, during a fuel/driver change. So let's not even calculate the
extra oil change time; let's leave straight available drive time at 8552
hours.

1,000,000 miles over 8552 hours is 117 miles per hour.

So this Civic drove between 114 and 117 mph for a year straight?



> I'm sure a
> quick search will yield an article.

Well, then, why don't you do that. I'm sure the article would tell us
how a Civic went 115mph straight for a year, with no hiccups in any of
the fuel/driver/oil change periods, all of them running at an optimal 5
minutes.

Or maybe my quick calculations are all you need to back down on this
particular fable.


<snip random stuff about synthetic oils)

> Of course, this is all my opinion.

Your calculator has an opinion? Gee, mine just does calculations.
Maybe my calculator is operating in some number base that yours doesn't?

Was that 1,000,000 miles in base 2?

 

In article <1158535419.462415.87510@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.c om>,
"televascular" <televascular@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There
> was a contest in California decades ago about which organization could
> put the most mileage on a car within one year. Not sure about the
> specifics, but a Civic won with 1,000,000 miles.

I claim bullshit.

A year is 8,760 hours. A million miles in 8,760 hours calculates
to....drum roll, please....114+ miles per hour.

That's straight running, with no stopping for fuel or driver changes.

Let's say fuel and driver changes are simultaneous, at 5 minutes every,
oh, 400 miles. That's 2500 stops right there. 2500 times 5 is 12,500
minutes, or 208 hours. Now instead of 8760 driving hours, you have only
8552 driving hours.

Oil changes every 1K miles? Let's say an oil change takes 5 minutes
(I'm being generous here). Let's further say that it happens, on
average, during a fuel/driver change. So let's not even calculate the
extra oil change time; let's leave straight available drive time at 8552
hours.

1,000,000 miles over 8552 hours is 117 miles per hour.

So this Civic drove between 114 and 117 mph for a year straight?



> I'm sure a
> quick search will yield an article.

Well, then, why don't you do that. I'm sure the article would tell us
how a Civic went 115mph straight for a year, with no hiccups in any of
the fuel/driver/oil change periods, all of them running at an optimal 5
minutes.

Or maybe my quick calculations are all you need to back down on this
particular fable.


<snip random stuff about synthetic oils)

> Of course, this is all my opinion.

Your calculator has an opinion? Gee, mine just does calculations.
Maybe my calculator is operating in some number base that yours doesn't?

Was that 1,000,000 miles in base 2?

 

On 17 Sep 2006 16:23:39 -0700, televascular wrote:

>
> I use Specialty Formulations' MTL-P synthetic transmission fluid in my
> 6spd Civic Si. Aside from the peace of mind, I have noticed a true
> improvement in shift quality; the infamous notchiness in 3rd gear is
> gone! And no, this is not my imagination, many people have noted shift
> feel improvement after switching to ANY synthetic tranny fluid in the
> '06 Si. The MTL-P is very similar to Honda MTF viscosity (11.5cSt), but
> the synth stock/additive package is way superior. A VOA shows Honda MTF
> to be similar to engine oil, with an increased calcium content... But
> I'm curious to see what Acura's newly reformulated tranny fluid is all
> about.

Now THIS I find interesting...

I, too, have noticed this phenomena in 3rd. It has, on occasion, caused a
slight grind, as I didn't get the car fully into third before letting out
the clutch, as the notchiness (good word for it) interrupted my rythem.

What are the downsides (if any) to changing to a Synthetic Tranny fluid?
The manual is pretty clear on sticking with Honda's Tranny fluid. Would
this affect warranty?

Also, should it be done in a shop, or is it sufficient to just drain the
fluid and add the Synth? I've never changed Tranny fluid before in any
car. Always had it done by a shop. But it usually costs $80 or more. If
it is relatively easy, I'll do it myself...

Thanks...

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/18/2006 1:47:58 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
--Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"

 

On 17 Sep 2006 16:23:39 -0700, televascular wrote:

>
> I use Specialty Formulations' MTL-P synthetic transmission fluid in my
> 6spd Civic Si. Aside from the peace of mind, I have noticed a true
> improvement in shift quality; the infamous notchiness in 3rd gear is
> gone! And no, this is not my imagination, many people have noted shift
> feel improvement after switching to ANY synthetic tranny fluid in the
> '06 Si. The MTL-P is very similar to Honda MTF viscosity (11.5cSt), but
> the synth stock/additive package is way superior. A VOA shows Honda MTF
> to be similar to engine oil, with an increased calcium content... But
> I'm curious to see what Acura's newly reformulated tranny fluid is all
> about.

Now THIS I find interesting...

I, too, have noticed this phenomena in 3rd. It has, on occasion, caused a
slight grind, as I didn't get the car fully into third before letting out
the clutch, as the notchiness (good word for it) interrupted my rythem.

What are the downsides (if any) to changing to a Synthetic Tranny fluid?
The manual is pretty clear on sticking with Honda's Tranny fluid. Would
this affect warranty?

Also, should it be done in a shop, or is it sufficient to just drain the
fluid and add the Synth? I've never changed Tranny fluid before in any
car. Always had it done by a shop. But it usually costs $80 or more. If
it is relatively easy, I'll do it myself...

Thanks...

--
Joseph M. LaVigne
jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com
http://www.thelavignefamily.us/MyPipePages/ - 9/18/2006 1:47:58 AM
Tobacconist Brick and Mortar Database: http://bam.tobaccocellar.org/

"If you were waiting for the oppurtune moment ... that was it."
--Jack Sparrow, "Pirates of the Carribean"