Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
04-17-2005 | 12:26 PM
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Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
cam.
Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
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cam.
Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
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04-17-2005 | 01:05 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
I would drill a hole into the centre of the broken piece of the bolt, and
use an extractor to remove the piece. Use some oil to help free the piece.
Brian
04-17-2005 | 01:05 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
I would drill a hole into the centre of the broken piece of the bolt, and
use an extractor to remove the piece. Use some oil to help free the piece.
Brian
04-17-2005 | 02:08 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
In article <1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@autofor umz.com>,
Qjonny <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
Hello,
I agree with what Brian told you. If you end up needing a new valve
cover--visit the largest junk yard in your area. Most of the larger junk
yards are now on a special database which simply means that all of them
are linked together. If they don't have a valve cover for your
vehicle--they can order one from one of the other junk yards.
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Qjonny <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
Hello,
I agree with what Brian told you. If you end up needing a new valve
cover--visit the largest junk yard in your area. Most of the larger junk
yards are now on a special database which simply means that all of them
are linked together. If they don't have a valve cover for your
vehicle--they can order one from one of the other junk yards.
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04-17-2005 | 02:08 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
In article <1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@autofor umz.com>,
Qjonny <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
Hello,
I agree with what Brian told you. If you end up needing a new valve
cover--visit the largest junk yard in your area. Most of the larger junk
yards are now on a special database which simply means that all of them
are linked together. If they don't have a valve cover for your
vehicle--they can order one from one of the other junk yards.
--
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Qjonny <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
Hello,
I agree with what Brian told you. If you end up needing a new valve
cover--visit the largest junk yard in your area. Most of the larger junk
yards are now on a special database which simply means that all of them
are linked together. If they don't have a valve cover for your
vehicle--they can order one from one of the other junk yards.
--
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04-17-2005 | 02:13 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
This happened on TWO of the valve cover bolts on
my 98 civic. Really annoying.
First of all, take the valve cover off and see
if there is any part of the stud showing that
you might be able to grab onto with a plyer or
something.
Short of getting lucky that way, MAKE SURE you put rags or some sort of
cover over the valve
train to make sure no filings make it into your
valves and oil.
We got an 'Easy-Out' from the hardware store.
You put this bit into your cordless drill, and
apply as much pressure in reverse as possible at a 90
degree angle to the broken stud of the bolt.
Eventually, the bit grabs the stud, and it backs
out. It took about 2 minutes of constant
pressure and spinning to get one of them out.
Any questions, feel free to email me directly
loewent at gmail dot com
my 98 civic. Really annoying.
First of all, take the valve cover off and see
if there is any part of the stud showing that
you might be able to grab onto with a plyer or
something.
Short of getting lucky that way, MAKE SURE you put rags or some sort of
cover over the valve
train to make sure no filings make it into your
valves and oil.
We got an 'Easy-Out' from the hardware store.
You put this bit into your cordless drill, and
apply as much pressure in reverse as possible at a 90
degree angle to the broken stud of the bolt.
Eventually, the bit grabs the stud, and it backs
out. It took about 2 minutes of constant
pressure and spinning to get one of them out.
Any questions, feel free to email me directly
loewent at gmail dot com
04-17-2005 | 02:13 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
This happened on TWO of the valve cover bolts on
my 98 civic. Really annoying.
First of all, take the valve cover off and see
if there is any part of the stud showing that
you might be able to grab onto with a plyer or
something.
Short of getting lucky that way, MAKE SURE you put rags or some sort of
cover over the valve
train to make sure no filings make it into your
valves and oil.
We got an 'Easy-Out' from the hardware store.
You put this bit into your cordless drill, and
apply as much pressure in reverse as possible at a 90
degree angle to the broken stud of the bolt.
Eventually, the bit grabs the stud, and it backs
out. It took about 2 minutes of constant
pressure and spinning to get one of them out.
Any questions, feel free to email me directly
loewent at gmail dot com
my 98 civic. Really annoying.
First of all, take the valve cover off and see
if there is any part of the stud showing that
you might be able to grab onto with a plyer or
something.
Short of getting lucky that way, MAKE SURE you put rags or some sort of
cover over the valve
train to make sure no filings make it into your
valves and oil.
We got an 'Easy-Out' from the hardware store.
You put this bit into your cordless drill, and
apply as much pressure in reverse as possible at a 90
degree angle to the broken stud of the bolt.
Eventually, the bit grabs the stud, and it backs
out. It took about 2 minutes of constant
pressure and spinning to get one of them out.
Any questions, feel free to email me directly
loewent at gmail dot com
04-17-2005 | 07:30 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
Qjonny wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
As others have mentioned lubrication along with drilling and using an easy
out works well if you have the room. One of the best oils I have found for
seized parts is call "Kroil". I would highly recommend it.
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
As others have mentioned lubrication along with drilling and using an easy
out works well if you have the room. One of the best oils I have found for
seized parts is call "Kroil". I would highly recommend it.
04-17-2005 | 07:30 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
Qjonny wrote:
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
As others have mentioned lubrication along with drilling and using an easy
out works well if you have the room. One of the best oils I have found for
seized parts is call "Kroil". I would highly recommend it.
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
As others have mentioned lubrication along with drilling and using an easy
out works well if you have the room. One of the best oils I have found for
seized parts is call "Kroil". I would highly recommend it.
04-17-2005 | 08:00 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
Since it broke while tightening, it may not be very tight at all (it
probably broke before it bottomed). Try teasing it loose with a scribe or
punch, or chuck up a small piece of dowel in a reversible drill. If you can
get it out enough to grab with pliers you're home free.
The problem I've had with extractors is they like to walk to the edge and
bugger up the threads in the hole. Otherwise they are a godsend.
Mike
news:1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@aut oforumz.com...
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
Since it broke while tightening, it may not be very tight at all (it
probably broke before it bottomed). Try teasing it loose with a scribe or
punch, or chuck up a small piece of dowel in a reversible drill. If you can
get it out enough to grab with pliers you're home free.
The problem I've had with extractors is they like to walk to the edge and
bugger up the threads in the hole. Otherwise they are a godsend.
Mike
04-17-2005 | 08:00 PM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
Since it broke while tightening, it may not be very tight at all (it
probably broke before it bottomed). Try teasing it loose with a scribe or
punch, or chuck up a small piece of dowel in a reversible drill. If you can
get it out enough to grab with pliers you're home free.
The problem I've had with extractors is they like to walk to the edge and
bugger up the threads in the hole. Otherwise they are a godsend.
Mike
news:1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@aut oforumz.com...
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn't even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
Since it broke while tightening, it may not be very tight at all (it
probably broke before it bottomed). Try teasing it loose with a scribe or
punch, or chuck up a small piece of dowel in a reversible drill. If you can
get it out enough to grab with pliers you're home free.
The problem I've had with extractors is they like to walk to the edge and
bugger up the threads in the hole. Otherwise they are a godsend.
Mike
04-18-2005 | 11:23 AM
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
How tight was it going in. Was it crossthreaded? If so you may have to drill
it and install a Helicoil...
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@aut oforumz.com...
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
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it and install a Helicoil...
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
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Re: Valve cover bolt busted off. Need advice
How tight was it going in. Was it crossthreaded? If so you may have to drill
it and install a Helicoil...
"Qjonny" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
news:1_529131_c7f3beaf2076c3b2d0d3a736c29356c7@aut oforumz.com...
> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
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it and install a Helicoil...
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> First thanks for help with timing, I was indeed 1 tooth off on the
> cam.
>
> Now, while tighting the long valve cover bolt on the upper Right
> corner..the damn thing broke off. I wasn’t even at 9foot pounds.
> Anyway, the lower part of the bolt(the part with the threads) is stuck
> inside the threaded part of case. Questions: 1) how can I get it out?
> 2) could I just RTV the bolt with cap on to the valve cover? Would the
> remainder 4 bolts keep her from leaking? Thanks in advance. What
> trouble..second time taking her apart to repalce timing belt,water
> pump and tensioner.. get everything right, then this happens.
>
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