"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:elhe8g$ghi$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> Of course I have. It doesn't apply to parts for cars. It applies to high
> end boutiques and restaurants.

Actually it applies to anything one wants to apply it against.

 

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:elhe8g$ghi$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> Of course I have. It doesn't apply to parts for cars. It applies to high
> end boutiques and restaurants.

Actually it applies to anything one wants to apply it against.

 

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:elhe8g$ghi$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> Of course I have. It doesn't apply to parts for cars. It applies to high
> end boutiques and restaurants.

Actually it applies to anything one wants to apply it against.

 

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:elhe8g$ghi$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> Of course I have. It doesn't apply to parts for cars. It applies to high
> end boutiques and restaurants.

Actually it applies to anything one wants to apply it against.

 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:elfmdv$15e$1@news.datemas.de...
>> What an interesting, helpful, and incredibly stupid statement...
>
> LOL! I guess you've never heard that old line before, "If you're worried
> about the price, you can't afford it".
>
>

LoL - Brian, what are you doing in a Honda NG??

;0)

a

 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:elfmdv$15e$1@news.datemas.de...
>> What an interesting, helpful, and incredibly stupid statement...
>
> LOL! I guess you've never heard that old line before, "If you're worried
> about the price, you can't afford it".
>
>

LoL - Brian, what are you doing in a Honda NG??

;0)

a

 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:elfmdv$15e$1@news.datemas.de...
>> What an interesting, helpful, and incredibly stupid statement...
>
> LOL! I guess you've never heard that old line before, "If you're worried
> about the price, you can't afford it".
>
>

LoL - Brian, what are you doing in a Honda NG??

;0)

a

 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:elfmdv$15e$1@news.datemas.de...
>> What an interesting, helpful, and incredibly stupid statement...
>
> LOL! I guess you've never heard that old line before, "If you're worried
> about the price, you can't afford it".
>
>

LoL - Brian, what are you doing in a Honda NG??

;0)

a

 

Bruce Chastain wrote:
> I just had my 2002 Accord EX V6 at a quicklube place and they wanted to
> change the automatic transmission fluid, showing me that it was now brownish
> (instead of red), and claiming that transmission fluid should be changed
> every 30k.
>
> I said no and when I got home I double-checked the owners manual and found
> that it specifies the first transmission fluid change at 120k miles / 6
> years. I only have 37k on it so I have a couple of years left to go.
>
> Does anyone feel that the transmission fluid should be changed more often
> than that? Is the color no longer a reliable indicator? I know things have
> improved but 120k miles / 6 years sounds like an awfully long time to me.
>
> Bruce.

If it's brown looking, it needs to be changed. 120k miles..???
No wonder people seem to have trouble with some of those
tranny's.. But you don't have to do it all at once unless you just
want to. IE: you could change the fluid on your next 2-3 oil changes
and end up with pretty clean fluid. Like they say, it's super easy,
just like changing the oil..
That's what I'm doing in my case. I bought an accord that had brownish
fluid. I changed it once, when I did the first oil change. And I'll do
it
again on the next couple of oil changes. By that time, it will be
pretty
clean. Just once will help quite a bit. Doesn't get all the old stuff
out,
but it will look a lot better than it probably does now. Brown fluid
means it's semi burned.. The things must run a tad hot..
Being it's so easy to change, I wouldn't pay a lube joint too much to
change it. If they want big $$$, I'd just do it myself, or find someone
else. It's not like the average US car where you gotta drop a pan,
change a filter, etc.. The honda you just open the drain plug and let
it pour out. Just be careful not to overfill. Takes about 3 quarts + -
to do a change if I remember right. The color is still a pretty
reliable
indicator. Forget what the manual says.. 120k is a lot of miles.
Thats the whole lifetime of the car for many people. If it's brown,
it's
burned. No bueno for tranny.. I also don't like waiting a few
light
years to change oil. Even if synth oil.. Changing oil gets the dirt
out.
It needs to be done on a regular basis, along with the filter if you
want long life from the engine. I see some people that wait nearly
10k miles to change the oil just cuz they are using synthetic oil.
Sure the oil itself doesn't really wear out, but you still need a fresh
filter,
and if you are going to that much trouble, might as well get the dirt
out of the engine while you are at it. And the additives do wear out.
Once a filter gets clogged, the bypass kicks in, and you might as
well not have a filter.. :/ I think the automakers are going overboard
with all these super extended maintainence skeds.
Another pet peeve of mine is all the new cars that lack zerk fittings
on all the front end parts.. I'd like to strangle the engineer that
came
up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
parts in 20-30k miles.. You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
death. Newer fords are bad about this. But other makes do the same
these days. Well, I guess enough oil related whining for now.. :/
MK

 

Bruce Chastain wrote:
> I just had my 2002 Accord EX V6 at a quicklube place and they wanted to
> change the automatic transmission fluid, showing me that it was now brownish
> (instead of red), and claiming that transmission fluid should be changed
> every 30k.
>
> I said no and when I got home I double-checked the owners manual and found
> that it specifies the first transmission fluid change at 120k miles / 6
> years. I only have 37k on it so I have a couple of years left to go.
>
> Does anyone feel that the transmission fluid should be changed more often
> than that? Is the color no longer a reliable indicator? I know things have
> improved but 120k miles / 6 years sounds like an awfully long time to me.
>
> Bruce.

If it's brown looking, it needs to be changed. 120k miles..???
No wonder people seem to have trouble with some of those
tranny's.. But you don't have to do it all at once unless you just
want to. IE: you could change the fluid on your next 2-3 oil changes
and end up with pretty clean fluid. Like they say, it's super easy,
just like changing the oil..
That's what I'm doing in my case. I bought an accord that had brownish
fluid. I changed it once, when I did the first oil change. And I'll do
it
again on the next couple of oil changes. By that time, it will be
pretty
clean. Just once will help quite a bit. Doesn't get all the old stuff
out,
but it will look a lot better than it probably does now. Brown fluid
means it's semi burned.. The things must run a tad hot..
Being it's so easy to change, I wouldn't pay a lube joint too much to
change it. If they want big $$$, I'd just do it myself, or find someone
else. It's not like the average US car where you gotta drop a pan,
change a filter, etc.. The honda you just open the drain plug and let
it pour out. Just be careful not to overfill. Takes about 3 quarts + -
to do a change if I remember right. The color is still a pretty
reliable
indicator. Forget what the manual says.. 120k is a lot of miles.
Thats the whole lifetime of the car for many people. If it's brown,
it's
burned. No bueno for tranny.. I also don't like waiting a few
light
years to change oil. Even if synth oil.. Changing oil gets the dirt
out.
It needs to be done on a regular basis, along with the filter if you
want long life from the engine. I see some people that wait nearly
10k miles to change the oil just cuz they are using synthetic oil.
Sure the oil itself doesn't really wear out, but you still need a fresh
filter,
and if you are going to that much trouble, might as well get the dirt
out of the engine while you are at it. And the additives do wear out.
Once a filter gets clogged, the bypass kicks in, and you might as
well not have a filter.. :/ I think the automakers are going overboard
with all these super extended maintainence skeds.
Another pet peeve of mine is all the new cars that lack zerk fittings
on all the front end parts.. I'd like to strangle the engineer that
came
up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
parts in 20-30k miles.. You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
death. Newer fords are bad about this. But other makes do the same
these days. Well, I guess enough oil related whining for now.. :/
MK

 

Bruce Chastain wrote:
> I just had my 2002 Accord EX V6 at a quicklube place and they wanted to
> change the automatic transmission fluid, showing me that it was now brownish
> (instead of red), and claiming that transmission fluid should be changed
> every 30k.
>
> I said no and when I got home I double-checked the owners manual and found
> that it specifies the first transmission fluid change at 120k miles / 6
> years. I only have 37k on it so I have a couple of years left to go.
>
> Does anyone feel that the transmission fluid should be changed more often
> than that? Is the color no longer a reliable indicator? I know things have
> improved but 120k miles / 6 years sounds like an awfully long time to me.
>
> Bruce.

If it's brown looking, it needs to be changed. 120k miles..???
No wonder people seem to have trouble with some of those
tranny's.. But you don't have to do it all at once unless you just
want to. IE: you could change the fluid on your next 2-3 oil changes
and end up with pretty clean fluid. Like they say, it's super easy,
just like changing the oil..
That's what I'm doing in my case. I bought an accord that had brownish
fluid. I changed it once, when I did the first oil change. And I'll do
it
again on the next couple of oil changes. By that time, it will be
pretty
clean. Just once will help quite a bit. Doesn't get all the old stuff
out,
but it will look a lot better than it probably does now. Brown fluid
means it's semi burned.. The things must run a tad hot..
Being it's so easy to change, I wouldn't pay a lube joint too much to
change it. If they want big $$$, I'd just do it myself, or find someone
else. It's not like the average US car where you gotta drop a pan,
change a filter, etc.. The honda you just open the drain plug and let
it pour out. Just be careful not to overfill. Takes about 3 quarts + -
to do a change if I remember right. The color is still a pretty
reliable
indicator. Forget what the manual says.. 120k is a lot of miles.
Thats the whole lifetime of the car for many people. If it's brown,
it's
burned. No bueno for tranny.. I also don't like waiting a few
light
years to change oil. Even if synth oil.. Changing oil gets the dirt
out.
It needs to be done on a regular basis, along with the filter if you
want long life from the engine. I see some people that wait nearly
10k miles to change the oil just cuz they are using synthetic oil.
Sure the oil itself doesn't really wear out, but you still need a fresh
filter,
and if you are going to that much trouble, might as well get the dirt
out of the engine while you are at it. And the additives do wear out.
Once a filter gets clogged, the bypass kicks in, and you might as
well not have a filter.. :/ I think the automakers are going overboard
with all these super extended maintainence skeds.
Another pet peeve of mine is all the new cars that lack zerk fittings
on all the front end parts.. I'd like to strangle the engineer that
came
up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
parts in 20-30k miles.. You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
death. Newer fords are bad about this. But other makes do the same
these days. Well, I guess enough oil related whining for now.. :/
MK

 

Bruce Chastain wrote:
> I just had my 2002 Accord EX V6 at a quicklube place and they wanted to
> change the automatic transmission fluid, showing me that it was now brownish
> (instead of red), and claiming that transmission fluid should be changed
> every 30k.
>
> I said no and when I got home I double-checked the owners manual and found
> that it specifies the first transmission fluid change at 120k miles / 6
> years. I only have 37k on it so I have a couple of years left to go.
>
> Does anyone feel that the transmission fluid should be changed more often
> than that? Is the color no longer a reliable indicator? I know things have
> improved but 120k miles / 6 years sounds like an awfully long time to me.
>
> Bruce.

If it's brown looking, it needs to be changed. 120k miles..???
No wonder people seem to have trouble with some of those
tranny's.. But you don't have to do it all at once unless you just
want to. IE: you could change the fluid on your next 2-3 oil changes
and end up with pretty clean fluid. Like they say, it's super easy,
just like changing the oil..
That's what I'm doing in my case. I bought an accord that had brownish
fluid. I changed it once, when I did the first oil change. And I'll do
it
again on the next couple of oil changes. By that time, it will be
pretty
clean. Just once will help quite a bit. Doesn't get all the old stuff
out,
but it will look a lot better than it probably does now. Brown fluid
means it's semi burned.. The things must run a tad hot..
Being it's so easy to change, I wouldn't pay a lube joint too much to
change it. If they want big $$$, I'd just do it myself, or find someone
else. It's not like the average US car where you gotta drop a pan,
change a filter, etc.. The honda you just open the drain plug and let
it pour out. Just be careful not to overfill. Takes about 3 quarts + -
to do a change if I remember right. The color is still a pretty
reliable
indicator. Forget what the manual says.. 120k is a lot of miles.
Thats the whole lifetime of the car for many people. If it's brown,
it's
burned. No bueno for tranny.. I also don't like waiting a few
light
years to change oil. Even if synth oil.. Changing oil gets the dirt
out.
It needs to be done on a regular basis, along with the filter if you
want long life from the engine. I see some people that wait nearly
10k miles to change the oil just cuz they are using synthetic oil.
Sure the oil itself doesn't really wear out, but you still need a fresh
filter,
and if you are going to that much trouble, might as well get the dirt
out of the engine while you are at it. And the additives do wear out.
Once a filter gets clogged, the bypass kicks in, and you might as
well not have a filter.. :/ I think the automakers are going overboard
with all these super extended maintainence skeds.
Another pet peeve of mine is all the new cars that lack zerk fittings
on all the front end parts.. I'd like to strangle the engineer that
came
up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
parts in 20-30k miles.. You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
death. Newer fords are bad about this. But other makes do the same
these days. Well, I guess enough oil related whining for now.. :/
MK

 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
<snip>

> up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
> parts in 20-30k miles..

that's not true.

> You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
> dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
> death.

believe it or not, it's the other way around. vehicles that have grease
fittings almost always have /more/ problem with premature wear because
grit gets pumped /in/ not out.

> Newer fords are bad about this.

yeah. but that's nothing to do with the lack of grease fittings - it's
because they're designed that way. think i'm joking? it's real easy to
make something that lasts well. it's real hard to make something that
lasts just so long, but then fails. and to do this requires a /lot/ of
research. frod's r&d budget is huge. and most of it goes into this
kind of life limitation because of some bizarre misconception that if
their product lasts, they'll never sell anything new. the japanese have
been proving that wrong for the last 30 years!!! it's quite incredible
how detroit has no ability to learn by observing others. but engineers
don't make decisions in detroit so maybe it's no surprise.

> But other makes do the same
> these days.

not honda. my crx was 305k miles on its original suspension.

 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
<snip>

> up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
> parts in 20-30k miles..

that's not true.

> You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
> dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
> death.

believe it or not, it's the other way around. vehicles that have grease
fittings almost always have /more/ problem with premature wear because
grit gets pumped /in/ not out.

> Newer fords are bad about this.

yeah. but that's nothing to do with the lack of grease fittings - it's
because they're designed that way. think i'm joking? it's real easy to
make something that lasts well. it's real hard to make something that
lasts just so long, but then fails. and to do this requires a /lot/ of
research. frod's r&d budget is huge. and most of it goes into this
kind of life limitation because of some bizarre misconception that if
their product lasts, they'll never sell anything new. the japanese have
been proving that wrong for the last 30 years!!! it's quite incredible
how detroit has no ability to learn by observing others. but engineers
don't make decisions in detroit so maybe it's no surprise.

> But other makes do the same
> these days.

not honda. my crx was 305k miles on its original suspension.

 

nm5k@wt.net wrote:
<snip>

> up with that idea. It's common for many new cars to eat up front end
> parts in 20-30k miles..

that's not true.

> You can't grease em and purge the old grease,
> dirt, and metal particles. So the part just ends up grinding itself to
> death.

believe it or not, it's the other way around. vehicles that have grease
fittings almost always have /more/ problem with premature wear because
grit gets pumped /in/ not out.

> Newer fords are bad about this.

yeah. but that's nothing to do with the lack of grease fittings - it's
because they're designed that way. think i'm joking? it's real easy to
make something that lasts well. it's real hard to make something that
lasts just so long, but then fails. and to do this requires a /lot/ of
research. frod's r&d budget is huge. and most of it goes into this
kind of life limitation because of some bizarre misconception that if
their product lasts, they'll never sell anything new. the japanese have
been proving that wrong for the last 30 years!!! it's quite incredible
how detroit has no ability to learn by observing others. but engineers
don't make decisions in detroit so maybe it's no surprise.

> But other makes do the same
> these days.

not honda. my crx was 305k miles on its original suspension.