Timing chains in a Honda??????
01-07-2004 | 01:57 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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> tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom Wilson) wrote in message
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> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
>
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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> tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom Wilson) wrote in message
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> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
>
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Honorable Ty Ming Chane
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
"GMW" <gmw003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> tomwilson@nospamhotmail.com (Tom Wilson) wrote in message
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> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
>
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Honorable Ty Ming Chane
01-07-2004 | 04:11 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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01-07-2004 | 04:11 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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01-07-2004 | 04:11 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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01-07-2004 | 04:11 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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"Randolph" <trash@junkmail.com> wrote in message
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> This is speculation only on my part, but it seems the change from belt
> to chain came with the i-VTEC engines. On VTEC engines different cam
> profiles are selected depending on the operating conditions. On i-VTEC
> engines there is the added feature that the cam shaft can be advanced
> and retarded with respect to the cam shaft sprocket. My guess is that
> this shifting adds enough strain on the valve train that Honda felt a
> belt would not be reliable enough.
Chains are infinitly more reliable than belts. The downside is that they
tend to make more noise and are a little more difficult to replace. Of
course, you would probably replace a belt 5-10 times before needing to
service a chain.
> In the past, belts were more quiet than chains and cheaper to
> manufacture. Once you have done your first $800 timing belt change you'd
> probably wish for chain drive instead :-)
Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >
> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
timing
> > > chains.
> > >
> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
some
> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
anything
> > > > about this???
> >
> > Which leads to another question
> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
better?
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
cams et al.
Right? Wrong?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
<jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
>"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past, several
>manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
>order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go bad.
>It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the engine
>out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
>(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
>that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
>relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much in
>the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have become
>pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
>timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
>
>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
>> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs use
>timing
>> > > chains.
>> > >
>> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
>> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
>> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
>some
>> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
>> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
>anything
>> > > > about this???
>> >
>> > Which leads to another question
>> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
>better?
>
>
>
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:mj6pvvcupb4f35eq71e8iddrhhfg5hot0k@4ax.com...
> I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
> pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
> cams et al.
>
> Right? Wrong?
Right.
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
> <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
> >"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past,
several
> >manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
> >order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go
bad.
> >It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the
engine
> >out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
> >(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
> >that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
> >relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much
in
> >the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have
become
> >pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
> >timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> >
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> >> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs
use
> >timing
> >> > > chains.
> >> > >
> >> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> >> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> >> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
> >some
> >> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> >> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
> >anything
> >> > > > about this???
> >> >
> >> > Which leads to another question
> >> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
> >better?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:mj6pvvcupb4f35eq71e8iddrhhfg5hot0k@4ax.com...
> I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
> pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
> cams et al.
>
> Right? Wrong?
Right.
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
> <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
> >"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past,
several
> >manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
> >order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go
bad.
> >It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the
engine
> >out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
> >(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
> >that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
> >relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much
in
> >the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have
become
> >pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
> >timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> >
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> >> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs
use
> >timing
> >> > > chains.
> >> > >
> >> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> >> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> >> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
> >some
> >> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> >> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
> >anything
> >> > > > about this???
> >> >
> >> > Which leads to another question
> >> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
> >better?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:mj6pvvcupb4f35eq71e8iddrhhfg5hot0k@4ax.com...
> I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
> pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
> cams et al.
>
> Right? Wrong?
Right.
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
> <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
> >"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past,
several
> >manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
> >order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go
bad.
> >It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the
engine
> >out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
> >(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
> >that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
> >relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much
in
> >the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have
become
> >pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
> >timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> >
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> >> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs
use
> >timing
> >> > > chains.
> >> > >
> >> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> >> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> >> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
> >some
> >> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> >> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
> >anything
> >> > > > about this???
> >> >
> >> > Which leads to another question
> >> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
> >better?
> >
> >
> >
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01-07-2004 | 09:31 PM
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Re: Timing chains in a Honda??????
"TL" <tlehman@visi.com> wrote in message
news:mj6pvvcupb4f35eq71e8iddrhhfg5hot0k@4ax.com...
> I thought a serpentine belt is the external belt running the water
> pump, alternator, A/C, etc. The timing belt is internal and runs the
> cams et al.
>
> Right? Wrong?
Right.
> On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:11:14 -0500, "Jim Hernandez"
> <jb00@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Well, there are some really bad ideas out there. One of which is the
> >"serpentine belt." This is a timing belt on crack and in the past,
several
> >manufacturers recommended that you remove the engine from the vehicle in
> >order to replace it. I had a Toyota Camry which had a sepentine belt go
bad.
> >It was one of the cars where they shop guides suggestested taking the
engine
> >out. With the help of multiple universal joints on the socket wrench set
> >(and the dexterity of a trained ferret) and many bloodied knuckles, I got
> >that stuipd thing replaced. In general, timing belts are pretty cheap and
> >relatively cheap to have replaced. Since they usually don't require much
in
> >the way of oil bearing seals or extremely careful torquing they have
become
> >pretty commonplace for the quickie service shop. Even Jiffy Lube does
> >timing/serpintine belt replacement starting at about $60.
> >
> >> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <mjKJb.51291$IF6.1101348@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Sean
> >> > Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The new 2.4L 4-banger i-VTEC engines in the new Accords and CRVs
use
> >timing
> >> > > chains.
> >> > >
> >> > > <null_pointer@nowhere.com.net.edu.gov.de> wrote in message
> >> > > news:n27cvv8kfl6doghnbapgrgvsgs100n07ne@4ax.com...
> >> > > > I just got back from the San Diego Auto Show and was scrutinizing
> >some
> >> > > > of the engines (Element and Acura RSX) and the hardware looked
> >> > > > indicative of chains: aluminum covers etc. Does anyone know
> >anything
> >> > > > about this???
> >> >
> >> > Which leads to another question
> >> > Why did Honda stop making use of Timing belts--do timing chains work
> >better?
> >
> >
> >
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