Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only

It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
need trucks.

> difference is style and price.

Exactly! Nicole Kidman and your frigid grandmother are basically the
same.
The only difference is in style (or lack of such) and the cost of
acquisition,
maintenance, etc. Not sure how enjoyable ride they are though.
Maybe ask your granddad?

 

sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> Myc Unter wrote:
>> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
>> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
>
> It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
> need trucks.
>

The buyers of trucks who have such a need shrunk to about 50% of the
truck market during the course of the truck boom. Now the truck market
is rapidly shrinking back to those who have a real need for them. Said
farmers are going to have their pick of nice used trucks which never saw
much work beyond commuting to the office.

John

 

sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> Myc Unter wrote:
>> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
>> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
>
> It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
> need trucks.
>

The buyers of trucks who have such a need shrunk to about 50% of the
truck market during the course of the truck boom. Now the truck market
is rapidly shrinking back to those who have a real need for them. Said
farmers are going to have their pick of nice used trucks which never saw
much work beyond commuting to the office.

John

 

sndive@gmail.com wrote:
> Myc Unter wrote:
>> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
>> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
>
> It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
> need trucks.
>

The buyers of trucks who have such a need shrunk to about 50% of the
truck market during the course of the truck boom. Now the truck market
is rapidly shrinking back to those who have a real need for them. Said
farmers are going to have their pick of nice used trucks which never saw
much work beyond commuting to the office.

John

 

Looks like they are right on the mark when they call California the land of
fruits and nuts


mike


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8WNEg.71889$MW.6715@trnddc04...
> It is interesting that outside of Chevrolet and GMC none of the GM brands
> show up in the top 10.
>
>
> From:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...ck=1&cset=true
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Market share of top-selling auto brands in California in the second
> quarter
>
> Toyota: 23.4%
>
> Honda: 12.4%
>
> Ford: 9.6%
>
> Chevrolet: 8.2%
>
> Nissan: 7.0%
>
> Mercedes-Benz: 3.7%
>
> BMW: 3.7%
>
> Lexus: 3.6%
>
> Dodge: 3.6%
>
> GMC: 2.6%
>
> Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Looks like they are right on the mark when they call California the land of
fruits and nuts


mike


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8WNEg.71889$MW.6715@trnddc04...
> It is interesting that outside of Chevrolet and GMC none of the GM brands
> show up in the top 10.
>
>
> From:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...ck=1&cset=true
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Market share of top-selling auto brands in California in the second
> quarter
>
> Toyota: 23.4%
>
> Honda: 12.4%
>
> Ford: 9.6%
>
> Chevrolet: 8.2%
>
> Nissan: 7.0%
>
> Mercedes-Benz: 3.7%
>
> BMW: 3.7%
>
> Lexus: 3.6%
>
> Dodge: 3.6%
>
> GMC: 2.6%
>
> Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Looks like they are right on the mark when they call California the land of
fruits and nuts


mike


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8WNEg.71889$MW.6715@trnddc04...
> It is interesting that outside of Chevrolet and GMC none of the GM brands
> show up in the top 10.
>
>
> From:
>
> http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...ck=1&cset=true
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Market share of top-selling auto brands in California in the second
> quarter
>
> Toyota: 23.4%
>
> Honda: 12.4%
>
> Ford: 9.6%
>
> Chevrolet: 8.2%
>
> Nissan: 7.0%
>
> Mercedes-Benz: 3.7%
>
> BMW: 3.7%
>
> Lexus: 3.6%
>
> Dodge: 3.6%
>
> GMC: 2.6%
>
> Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn.
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
import.


mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
> grappletech wrote:
>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>
>
> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>
> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>
>
> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>
> John

 

Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
import.


mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
> grappletech wrote:
>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>
>
> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>
> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>
>
> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>
> John

 

Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
import.


mike hunt


"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
> grappletech wrote:
>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>
>
> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>
> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>
>
> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>
> John

 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:41:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
>not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
>light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
>import.
>
>
>mike hunt

Does GMC sell a lot of cars, Mike? Obviously, the figures are for
combined vehicle sales.


>
>"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
>> grappletech wrote:
>>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>>
>>
>> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
>> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
>> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
>> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
>> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>>
>> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
>> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
>> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
>> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
>> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
>> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>>
>>
>> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
>> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>>
>> John
>

 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:41:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
>not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
>light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
>import.
>
>
>mike hunt

Does GMC sell a lot of cars, Mike? Obviously, the figures are for
combined vehicle sales.


>
>"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
>> grappletech wrote:
>>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>>
>>
>> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
>> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
>> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
>> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
>> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>>
>> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
>> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
>> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
>> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
>> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
>> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>>
>>
>> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
>> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>>
>> John
>

 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 15:41:09 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote:

>Acording to the orgiantl poster the figures represented were for car sales,
>not total vehicle sales. Around half of the vehicles sold in the US are
>light trucks. GM, Ford and Chrysler sell far more light trucks than any
>import.
>
>
>mike hunt

Does GMC sell a lot of cars, Mike? Obviously, the figures are for
combined vehicle sales.


>
>"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:LUSEg.12882$Z1.2381@trnddc03...
>> grappletech wrote:
>>> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
>>> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>>>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>>>> be top/volume sellers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
>>> percentages from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac,
>>> Buick, GMC, Saab, etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>>>
>>
>> Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
>> Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
>> that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is at
>> 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM comes
>> even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).
>>
>> Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at 12.4%
>> without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so it
>> wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda has
>> GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few models
>> and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks and a
>> passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.
>>
>>
>> If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
>> and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.
>>
>> John
>

 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:X8ycnSPk5O1ZWXnZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Looks like they are right on the mark when they call California the land
> of fruits and nuts

Why?

Because they like different cars than you, they are nuts? Are people who use
Macs nuts, because you use Outlook Express and Windows.?

Jeff

> mike
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8WNEg.71889$MW.6715@trnddc04...
>> It is interesting that outside of Chevrolet and GMC none of the GM brands
>> show up in the top 10.
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...ck=1&cset=true
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Market share of top-selling auto brands in California in the second
>> quarter
>>
>> Toyota: 23.4%
>>
>> Honda: 12.4%
>>
>> Ford: 9.6%
>>
>> Chevrolet: 8.2%
>>
>> Nissan: 7.0%
>>
>> Mercedes-Benz: 3.7%
>>
>> BMW: 3.7%
>>
>> Lexus: 3.6%
>>
>> Dodge: 3.6%
>>
>> GMC: 2.6%
>>
>> Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>

 

"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:X8ycnSPk5O1ZWXnZUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Looks like they are right on the mark when they call California the land
> of fruits and nuts

Why?

Because they like different cars than you, they are nuts? Are people who use
Macs nuts, because you use Outlook Express and Windows.?

Jeff

> mike
>
>
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8WNEg.71889$MW.6715@trnddc04...
>> It is interesting that outside of Chevrolet and GMC none of the GM brands
>> show up in the top 10.
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/classified/au...ck=1&cset=true
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Market share of top-selling auto brands in California in the second
>> quarter
>>
>> Toyota: 23.4%
>>
>> Honda: 12.4%
>>
>> Ford: 9.6%
>>
>> Chevrolet: 8.2%
>>
>> Nissan: 7.0%
>>
>> Mercedes-Benz: 3.7%
>>
>> BMW: 3.7%
>>
>> Lexus: 3.6%
>>
>> Dodge: 3.6%
>>
>> GMC: 2.6%
>>
>> Source: California Motor Car Dealers Assn.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>