Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
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> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
> be top/volume sellers.



Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the percentages
from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC, Saab,
etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.

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"grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
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> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
> percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC,
> Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

But would you not then have to combine Toyota and Lexus - Honda and Acura -
Nisan and Infinity ?

Jack

 

"grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
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> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
> percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC,
> Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

But would you not then have to combine Toyota and Lexus - Honda and Acura -
Nisan and Infinity ?

Jack

 

"grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message
news:1155785616_1221@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the
> percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC,
> Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

But would you not then have to combine Toyota and Lexus - Honda and Acura -
Nisan and Infinity ?

Jack

 

"Myc Unter" <my843@throwawaymailbox.com> wrote in message
news:u7e7e25arsiicee34ugnqh91mm3kmonp1v@4ax.com...
>
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>
>
No problem guessing you are 73 and well into senility.

Jack

>
>
>

 

"Myc Unter" <my843@throwawaymailbox.com> wrote in message
news:u7e7e25arsiicee34ugnqh91mm3kmonp1v@4ax.com...
>
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>
>
No problem guessing you are 73 and well into senility.

Jack

>
>
>

 

"Myc Unter" <my843@throwawaymailbox.com> wrote in message
news:u7e7e25arsiicee34ugnqh91mm3kmonp1v@4ax.com...
>
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>
>
No problem guessing you are 73 and well into senility.

Jack

>
>
>

 

grappletech wrote:
> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC, Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is
at 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM
comes even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).

Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at
12.4% without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so
it wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda
has GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few
models and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks
and a passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.


If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.

John

 

grappletech wrote:
> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC, Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is
at 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM
comes even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).

Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at
12.4% without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so
it wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda
has GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few
models and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks
and a passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.


If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.

John

 

grappletech wrote:
> Dave <daves1955@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:3XQEg.12845$Z1.11038@trnddc03:
>
>> Well there are two GM brands in the top ten! Not all your brands can
>> be top/volume sellers.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it's like splitting the votes. If you were to add up the percentages
> from all of the GM divisions -- Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, GMC, Saab,
> etc, then they will rank as good as Toyota or Honda.
>

Not really. Chevy got 8.2%. GMC got 2.6%. Buick, Pontiac, Saturn and
Saab all clearly had lower numbers still. Let's be generous and guess
that BPSS got 5% between themselves. 8.2 + 2.6 + 5 = 15.8%. Toyota is
at 23.4. Toyota is so far ahead of the pack that there is no way GM
comes even close even if GM's BPSS brands pulled in 10% share (HAH!).

Also you would have to add Toyota + Lexus to be fair. Honda was at
12.4% without Acura. Maybe GM in total bested Honda + Acura, but if so
it wasn't by much. As far as product and sales effort efficiency Honda
has GM beaten by a wide margin in California. Honda has relatively few
models and they are all strong sellers. GM has strong selling trucks
and a passel of also-ran cars, minivans and crossovers.


If California is an indicator of things to come nationally then GM, Ford
and Chrysler remain in deep trouble.

John

 

Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>

Some things are noticed but not commented on.

John

 

Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>

Some things are noticed but not commented on.

John

 

Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only
> difference is style and price.
>
> As soon as gas comes back down to 23 cents people will stop buying
> midget cars and go back to Tahoes and Hummers.
>
> myc unt
>
> PS: Ha ha you guys never notice my clever nym. Get it? ha ha, I
> laugh every time I sign it. You would never guess that I'm 73.
>

Some things are noticed but not commented on.

John

 

Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only

It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
need trucks.

> difference is style and price.

Exactly! Nicole Kidman and your frigid grandmother are basically the
same.
The only difference is in style (or lack of such) and the cost of
acquisition,
maintenance, etc. Not sure how enjoyable ride they are though.
Maybe ask your granddad?

 

Myc Unter wrote:
> But Ford and Chevy combined outsell Honda so that proves that Ford and
> Chevy are better than Honda. All cars are the same now anyway. Only

It proves that there are still farmers in this fertile land and they
need trucks.

> difference is style and price.

Exactly! Nicole Kidman and your frigid grandmother are basically the
same.
The only difference is in style (or lack of such) and the cost of
acquisition,
maintenance, etc. Not sure how enjoyable ride they are though.
Maybe ask your granddad?