rick++ wrote:
> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>
> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age.
> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when
> sitiff after sporting events.

One thing that makes it much easier, for front seat passengers anyway
are two door cars with larger doors. 4 door small cars can be a pain. I
remember a 2 door Rabbit I had, which was much easier to get in and out
of than a 4 door Rabbit with much smaller doors.

 

"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Next we visited the Honda dealer. The Pilot was immediately eliminated as
> wildly overpriced. My Mother liked the CR-V but it seems that dealers load
> them all up with options that jack up the price. To get one equipped
> reasonably you ended up with a sun roof my Mother didn't want and a price
> higher than the Highlander.

I've never shopped for a CR-V, I'm happy with the Accord basic
configurations and you can mostly get them as-is.

Mostly, I wanted to suggest that after you've looked at all the
vehicles, shop via the Internet. It's a good way to get closer to
what you want with minimal sales floor gamesmanship, and often
better prices, too.

J.

 

Imagine, people in a free country, spending their own money to buy the
vehicle they believe is the best for their them. From what we see going
on among all the Socialists and the Environuts running our government in
Washington today, that may soon change. LOL




"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>
> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age.
> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when
> sitiff after sporting events.
>

 

Have you lost much weight since then?


"SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> rick++ wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>
>> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age.
>> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when
>> sitiff after sporting events.
>
> One thing that makes it much easier, for front seat passengers anyway are
> two door cars with larger doors. 4 door small cars can be a pain. I
> remember a 2 door Rabbit I had, which was much easier to get in and out of
> than a 4 door Rabbit with much smaller doors.

 

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>"Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
>news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White"
>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my
>>>Mother to
>>>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly
>>>was
>>>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well
>>>we
>>>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander
>>
>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>
>First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>calling it a "Crossover" but in no way is it an SUV. In my opinion, it
>is nothing more than a Camry Station Wagon. Of the vehicles we looked
>at, the Edge was the closest thing to an SUV and it wasn't
>particularly close, although Ford tries to pitch it as one. The Venza
>is called a car, but the only substantial difference between it and
>the Highlander is the height of the roof and the level of standard
>equipment. The CR-V would like to pretend to be an SUV, but it misses
>the mark by hundreds of miles. It is just a Civic Station Wagon with
>an AWD option. Even the Pilot, although a nice vehicle, can't be
>considered a legitimate SUV. Anything that is primarily front wheel
>drive and has very limited towing capacity is just a station wagon (or
>I guess a "Crossover" which in my mind is the new name for "Station
>Wagon").
>
>My Mother never said she wanted an SUV. She just wanted something that
>she could sit up in and see out of. Until she got a Freestyle, my
>Mother always drove a full size vehicles (Galaxie, LTD, Grand Marquis,
>etc.). The Freestyle was the smallest car she had ever owned, and at
>least it gave her a decent view. Most cars that claim to be full size
>these days wouldn't have qaulified as an intermediate in the 60's and
>they all tend to place you very low and don't provide a very good view
>of the road in a world dominated by large trucks and SUVs (my Mom
>lives in a rural area and more than half the vehicles are large trucks
>or SUVs).
>
>Anyhow, if you think a front wheel drive, four cylinder Highlander is
>an SUV, I think you are using a different definition of an SUV than
>would be reasonable.
>
>Ed
>

I know nothing about Highlanders except that I've seen pictures of
them. Sounds like you got her what she needed.

 

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:

>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>
> First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
> calling it a "Crossover

That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in
favor of AWD.

 

On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>
> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
> > calling it a "Crossover
>
> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in
> favor of AWD.

On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
crossover section.

At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
4WD Ranger available.

Ed

 

"Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>
>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>
>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1 in
>> favor of AWD.
>
> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
> crossover section.
>
> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
> 4WD Ranger available.
>
> Ed

Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?

 

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:01:19 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
<Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:

>Imagine, people in a free country, spending their own money to buy the
>vehicle they believe is the best for their them. From what we see going
>on among all the Socialists and the Environuts running our government in
>Washington today, that may soon change. LOL

Hey Mike. You still haven't answered my question about whether the
socialist government should have let GM go without a bailout. And
speaking of communists, what do you thin about the Chinese buying
Hummer? I think they are suckers just like the people who bought them
one at a time.





>
>
>
>
>"rick++" <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8ccf834c-678a-4ca7-8a6b-d6d574813efd@m1g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 18, 4:14 pm, Ashton Crusher <d...@moore.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>
>> Small cars can be hard to get in and out of as joints age.
>> My parents hate lifts in my civic. And I find it hard when
>> sitiff after sporting events.
>>
>

 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
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> "Stewart" <gortamus36@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:hbgn0s$p0f$1@news.eternal-
> september.org:
>
>>
>> "Ashton Crusher" <demi@moore.net> wrote in message
>> news:sm4nd5508255058r6g9uqtmqcpuulg2mb2@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:38:26 -0400, "C. E. White"
>>> <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Earlier this month I asked for advice regarding a new car for my
>>>>Mother to
>>>>replace a Ford Freestyle that was totaled in an accident. I mostly
>>>>was
>>>>looking for advice regarding the Toyota Venza and Highlander. Well
>>>>we
>>>>finally went shopping and my Mother is getting a new Highlander
>>>
>>> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need
>>> an
>>> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>
>> Maybe it was a preference as opposed to a technical need.
>>
>>
>>
>
> "maybe"?? Most likely.
> She likely would not "feel safe" in a small car,and wanted "to sit
> up
> high".
>

OK, maybe I understated just a tad.....
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> localnet
> dot com

 

Sharx35 wrote:
>
> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>>
>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>>
>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run
>>> 5-1 in
>>> favor of AWD.
>>
>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
>> crossover section.
>>
>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
>> 4WD Ranger available.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?

It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own car.

Jeff

 

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she
>>> >> need an
>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>>
>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away
>>> > with
>>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>>
>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run
>>> 5-1 in
>>> favor of AWD.
>>
>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have
>> a
>> crossover section.
>>
>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed
>> to
>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area,
>> it
>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on
>> bad
>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or
>> cared
>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's
>> '99
>> 4WD Ranger available.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?
>
>

My brother has 7 vehicles. I have know people with many more.
>

 

"Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>>
>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>>
>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1
>>> in
>>> favor of AWD.
>>
>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
>> crossover section.
>>
>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
>> 4WD Ranger available.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?

The Ranger is 11 years old and beat to crap. However, we use it on the farm
for typical farm things. It is not worth a lot but is very useful for farm
chores. It would not be suitable for my Mom and her bridge laying buddies.

Ed

 

"dr_jeff" <utz@msu.edu> wrote in message
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> Sharx35 wrote:
>>
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>>>
>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>>>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>>>
>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run
>>>> 5-1 in
>>>> favor of AWD.
>>>
>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
>>> crossover section.
>>>
>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
>>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
>>> 4WD Ranger available.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?
>
> It's not her Ranger. It's her husband's. Apparently, she needs her own
> car.

Actually it is my Mother's (my Father passed away a few years back). But as
I said in another post, it is old and beat up and not really the sort of
vehicle a little old lady uses to haul her friends to their bridge games.

Ed

 

"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kwuDm.49692$PH1.6230@edtnps82...
>>
>> "Ed White" <ce.white3@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:856ff4de-f170-4411-a2a0-f034529c661c@p36g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 19, 11:12 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:34:30 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>>>> >> I'm not disagreeing with your mom's choice but why does she need an
>>>> >> SUV?? What were her needs from a technical perspective?
>>>>
>>>> > First of all, the Highlnader is not an SUV. You might get away with
>>>> > calling it a "Crossover
>>>>
>>>> That's what it's marketed as. Two or 4WD, but around here they run 5-1
>>>> in
>>>> favor of AWD.
>>>
>>> On the Toyota webpage it is in the SUV section, but they don't have a
>>> crossover section.
>>>
>>> At the dealers we looked at they had plenty of 2WD or AWD (seemed to
>>> be more 2WD than AWD). My Mother lives in a relatively flat area, it
>>> snows no more than a few days a year, and she has no need to go on bad
>>> dirt roads. Her Freestyle was AWD, but I don't think she knew or cared
>>> and I saw no reason to pay extra for AWD for the new Highlander. If
>>> things are bad enough that 4WD is required, she still has my Dad's '99
>>> 4WD Ranger available.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Having the Ranger, why does she need to have TWO vehicles?
>
> The Ranger is 11 years old and beat to crap. However, we use it on the
> farm for typical farm things. It is not worth a lot but is very useful for
> farm chores. It would not be suitable for my Mom and her bridge laying
> buddies.

I meant bridge playing...not laying. I suppose a Ranger would be a good
vehicle for someone building a bridge

Ed