On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:44:05 -0600, TG wrote:

> Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
> will not like what you find. TG
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
>> Bill,
>>
>> I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
>> researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
>> to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
>> the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
>> years ago if not in the 70s.
>>
>> NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
>> research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
>> knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
>> then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
>>
>> John D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
> news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
>> > "John D." wrote:
>> > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>> > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>> >
>> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
>> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
>> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
>> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
>> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
>> > those days.
>> >
>> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
>> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
>> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>> >
>> > Bill Putney
>> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>> > address with "x")
>> >
>> >
>> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
>> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

How can this be extrapolated to automotive engines?

 

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 16:44:05 -0600, TG wrote:

> Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
> will not like what you find. TG
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
>> Bill,
>>
>> I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
>> researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
>> to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
>> the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
>> years ago if not in the 70s.
>>
>> NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
>> research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
>> knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
>> then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
>>
>> John D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
> news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
>> > "John D." wrote:
>> > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
>> > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
>> > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
>> > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
>> >
>> > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
>> > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
>> > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
>> > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
>> > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
>> > those days.
>> >
>> > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
>> > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
>> > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
>> >
>> > Bill Putney
>> > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>> > address with "x")
>> >
>> >
>> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
>> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

How can this be extrapolated to automotive engines?

 

OK, if we are going to start using big words I'm not gonna play. TG

 

OK, if we are going to start using big words I'm not gonna play. TG

 

Mobil 1 and aircraft engines really isn't news, but aircraft engines
are one thing, car engines are another. Apples and oranges.

I not worried, but thanks anyway.

BTW, be sure to let NASA and the military know, too. ;-)

John D.




"TG" <ab7rs@arrl.net> wrote in message news:<vilra4gdk1uv0a@corp.supernews.com>...
> Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
> will not like what you find. TG
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
> > Bill,
> >
> > I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
> > researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
> > to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
> > the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
> > years ago if not in the 70s.
> >
> > NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
> > research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
> > knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
> > then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
> >
> > John D.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
> news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> > > "John D." wrote:
> > > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> > >
> > > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > > those days.
> > >
> > > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> > >
> > > Bill Putney
> > > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > > address with "x")
> > >
> > >
> > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

 

Mobil 1 and aircraft engines really isn't news, but aircraft engines
are one thing, car engines are another. Apples and oranges.

I not worried, but thanks anyway.

BTW, be sure to let NASA and the military know, too. ;-)

John D.




"TG" <ab7rs@arrl.net> wrote in message news:<vilra4gdk1uv0a@corp.supernews.com>...
> Research the small aircraft groups or the FAA for Mobil 1 comments...you
> will not like what you find. TG
>
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0307311648.6ba7ddc0@posting.google.c om...
> > Bill,
> >
> > I know about that (now) but back then I should have at least
> > researched the issue...I didn't know enough about synthetics then even
> > to do that. As I said, however, Dino oil has served well, but I think
> > the engine would be in better shape if I had changed over even 15
> > years ago if not in the 70s.
> >
> > NOW, the Internet (and UseNet of course) make it pretty easy to
> > research something BEFORE buying it, if you don't have anyone
> > knowledgable locally to ask. I didn't know ANYONE using Mobil 1 back
> > then, hence it wasn't even an issue.
> >
> > John D.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Putney <peva@kinez.net> wrote in message
> news:<3F2992B2.A3B234E8@kinez.net>...
> > > "John D." wrote:
> > > > ...If I had KNOWN way back then in 1973 that I was going
> > > > to keep the car "indefinitely," I would have changed over to a
> > > > synthetic motor oil! I just (1) didn't know I'd be keeping the car and
> > > > (2) I really didn't know jack about synthetics...just plain ignorance.
> > >
> > > It's probably just as well that you didn't try Mobil 1 back in '73. In
> > > their early years they had huge problems with getting the seal
> > > swell/shrinkage part of the formulation right. People would switch over
> > > to it and their engines would leak like sieves (I was one of the guinea
> > > pigs). If I'm not mistaken, they bought a few replacement engines in
> > > those days.
> > >
> > > People today have forgotten about that episode in its early marketing
> > > days, but they had quite a public stigma to overcome for many years.
> > > They seem to pretty well have recovered and built a good reputation.
> > >
> > > Bill Putney
> > > (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> > > address with "x")
> > >
> > >
> > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

 

> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames
because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))

My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I didn't want to
do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the 10,000 oil changes, but use
Royal Purple and K&N filter.

 

> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no flames
because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))

My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I didn't want to
do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the 10,000 oil changes, but use
Royal Purple and K&N filter.

 

In news:B8GWa.123550$R92.55720@news2.central.***.net,
noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
>> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no
>> flames
> because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
>
> My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I
> didn't want to do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the
> 10,000 oil changes, but use Royal Purple and K&N filter.

Might you transcribe the Owner's Manual verbatim regarding 10k miler oil
service intervals, please? What are the exceptions to that
recommendation?
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
shower.

 

In news:B8GWa.123550$R92.55720@news2.central.***.net,
noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
>> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no
>> flames
> because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
>
> My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I
> didn't want to do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the
> 10,000 oil changes, but use Royal Purple and K&N filter.

Might you transcribe the Owner's Manual verbatim regarding 10k miler oil
service intervals, please? What are the exceptions to that
recommendation?
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
shower.

 

Well, big words save space because they take the place of lots of little words. ;-)

John D.



"TG" <ab7rs@arrl.net> wrote in message news:<vim4ma4s953d7a@corp.supernews.com>...
> OK, if we are going to start using big words I'm not gonna play. TG

 

Well, big words save space because they take the place of lots of little words. ;-)

John D.



"TG" <ab7rs@arrl.net> wrote in message news:<vim4ma4s953d7a@corp.supernews.com>...
> OK, if we are going to start using big words I'm not gonna play. TG

 

On 8/2/2003 12:28 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:

> In news:B8GWa.123550$R92.55720@news2.central.***.net,
> noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
>>> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no
>>> flames
>> because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
>>
>> My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I
>> didn't want to do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the
>> 10,000 oil changes, but use Royal Purple and K&N filter.
>
> Might you transcribe the Owner's Manual verbatim regarding 10k miler oil
> service intervals, please? What are the exceptions to that
> recommendation?

Phil, my Accord manual says this:

"*U.S. Owners* - Follow the Maintenance schedule for Severe Conditions
if you drive your car MAINLY under one or more of the following conditions.

Driving less than 5 miles (8 km) per trip or, in freezing temperatures,
driving less than 10 miles (16 km) per trip.

Driving in extremely hot [over 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32 degrees
Celsius)] conditions.

Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving, such as a taxi
or a commercial delivery vehicle.

Trailer-towing, driving with a roof rack, or driving in mountainous
conditions.

Driving on muddy, dusty, or deiced roads.

NOTE: If you only OCCASIONALLY drive under a "severe" condition, you
should follow the Normal Conditions Maintenance Schedule.

*Canadian Owners* - Follow the Maintenance Schedule for Severe Conditions."

Reading this last, I note that the manufacturer recommends that a fellow
office worker, living here in Alabama, driving the same car under the
same conditions, should use a different maintenance schedule than I
because he's from Saskatchewan...

The Normal Conditions Maintenance Schedule includes 10,000 mile oil
change intervals; the Severe, 5,000 miles.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be
sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we ed up!"

 

On 8/2/2003 12:28 AM Philip® spake these words of knowledge:

> In news:B8GWa.123550$R92.55720@news2.central.***.net,
> noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
>>> i use royal purple and still change every 5K miles (please no
>>> flames
>> because I don't do it every 3K miles ;-)))
>>
>> My 2003 Civic recommends 10,000 mile oil change intervals. I
>> didn't want to do it with regular oil, so I'm going to do the
>> 10,000 oil changes, but use Royal Purple and K&N filter.
>
> Might you transcribe the Owner's Manual verbatim regarding 10k miler oil
> service intervals, please? What are the exceptions to that
> recommendation?

Phil, my Accord manual says this:

"*U.S. Owners* - Follow the Maintenance schedule for Severe Conditions
if you drive your car MAINLY under one or more of the following conditions.

Driving less than 5 miles (8 km) per trip or, in freezing temperatures,
driving less than 10 miles (16 km) per trip.

Driving in extremely hot [over 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32 degrees
Celsius)] conditions.

Extensive idling or long periods of stop-and-go driving, such as a taxi
or a commercial delivery vehicle.

Trailer-towing, driving with a roof rack, or driving in mountainous
conditions.

Driving on muddy, dusty, or deiced roads.

NOTE: If you only OCCASIONALLY drive under a "severe" condition, you
should follow the Normal Conditions Maintenance Schedule.

*Canadian Owners* - Follow the Maintenance Schedule for Severe Conditions."

Reading this last, I note that the manufacturer recommends that a fellow
office worker, living here in Alabama, driving the same car under the
same conditions, should use a different maintenance schedule than I
because he's from Saskatchewan...

The Normal Conditions Maintenance Schedule includes 10,000 mile oil
change intervals; the Severe, 5,000 miles.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
A good friend will come bail you out of jail, but a true friend will be
sitting next to you saying, "Damn... we ed up!"

 

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 19:24:10 -0600, TG wrote:

> OK, if we are going to start using big words I'm not gonna play. TG

extrapolate
v 1: draw from specific cases for more general cases [syn: generalize,
generalise, infer]