> > > "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed
> > ILSAC
> > > GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese
valvetrain
> > > requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
> > > standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
> > > Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."
> >
> > Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.
>
> Yup.
> Tested.

I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
exceed specific OEM standards."

Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.

I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would lead
me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone synthetic
oil.

Sorry, I don't follow blindly.

 

> > > "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT exceed
> > ILSAC
> > > GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and Japanese
valvetrain
> > > requirements. In addition, some viscosity grades exceed specific OEM
> > > standards. One example is Mobil 1 with SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds
> > > Mercedes Benz's 229.3 specification."
> >
> > Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.
>
> Yup.
> Tested.

I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
exceed specific OEM standards."

Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.

I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would lead
me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone synthetic
oil.

Sorry, I don't follow blindly.

 

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CKjWa.119128$R92.115801@news2.central.***.net ...

> > Yup.
> > Tested.
>
> I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
> exceed specific OEM standards."

Oh, sure...._now_ you go and get specific.

> Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.
>
> I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would
lead
> me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone
synthetic
> oil.
>
> Sorry, I don't follow blindly.

No problem. I just use it for it's low temp flow, mostly.

And for that info, you'll actually have *look*... yourself.

TTFN!

BTW, what response has Mobil given you to your specific technical questions?
1-800-662-4525

 

"noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:CKjWa.119128$R92.115801@news2.central.***.net ...

> > Yup.
> > Tested.
>
> I was looking for a little more than "In addition, some viscosity grades
> exceed specific OEM standards."

Oh, sure...._now_ you go and get specific.

> Exceed specific OEM standards. Hmmm, which ones do and which ones don't.
>
> I don't see any wear tests, fleet testing results, anything that would
lead
> me to believe its any better than anyone elses standard let alone
synthetic
> oil.
>
> Sorry, I don't follow blindly.

No problem. I just use it for it's low temp flow, mostly.

And for that info, you'll actually have *look*... yourself.

TTFN!

BTW, what response has Mobil given you to your specific technical questions?
1-800-662-4525

 

In news:V2gWa.117242$R92.58951@news2.central.***.net,
noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowXzX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:tbeWa.46032$rsJ.27498@news04.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
>>
>> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:NYcWa.116840$R92.64292@news2.central.***.net. ..
>>>> Not tested? Where did you read that?
>>>
>>> Let me know what you find.
>>
>> Glad I could help!
>>
>> "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT
>> exceed ILSAC GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and
>> Japanese valvetrain requirements. In addition, some viscosity
>> grades exceed specific OEM standards. One example is Mobil 1 with
>> SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds Mercedes Benz's 229.3
>> specification."
>
> Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.

ILSAC ratings really are not very specific, agreed. The ACEA ratings are
an entirely different kettle of fish. There are not a lot of dino oils
on the American market that meet ACEA A3.
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
shower.

 

In news:V2gWa.117242$R92.58951@news2.central.***.net,
noway <nospam@nospam.com> jubilantly posted:
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowXzX@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:tbeWa.46032$rsJ.27498@news04.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
>>
>> "noway" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:NYcWa.116840$R92.64292@news2.central.***.net. ..
>>>> Not tested? Where did you read that?
>>>
>>> Let me know what you find.
>>
>> Glad I could help!
>>
>> "For instance, the appropriate grades of Mobil 1 with SuperSynT
>> exceed ILSAC GF-3, API Service SL/CF, European ACEA standards and
>> Japanese valvetrain requirements. In addition, some viscosity
>> grades exceed specific OEM standards. One example is Mobil 1 with
>> SuperSynT 0W-40, which exceeds Mercedes Benz's 229.3
>> specification."
>
> Oh, yea, that says it all. Right up there with many dyno oils.

ILSAC ratings really are not very specific, agreed. The ACEA ratings are
an entirely different kettle of fish. There are not a lot of dino oils
on the American market that meet ACEA A3.
--

~~Philip

cantankerous | kan-TANG-kruss | adjective: difficult or irritating to
deal with.

Example: Philip was always cantankerous in the morning, given to snapping
and snarling until he'd had his first cup of coffee and a soothing hot
shower.

 

noway wrote:

> Doesn't matter though, cause I stopped by a performance shop that handles
> Royal Purple, and asked them what they would pick between Mobil1 and Royal
> Purple. They both said without hesitation, Royal Purple. So thats what I

Ok, let's be fair: do they also handle Mobil 1? If so, maybe their
answer is worth consideration, but if not, it's questionable. Why one
brand? Why not the other brand? This thread hasn't shown me much to
convince me one's better than the other.

People talk about test results. Well, there's only one thing you're
gonna know about test results regarding motor oil: if it says it meets
API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you know
for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on how
much it exceeds spec is info you'll probably get right after the Coca
Cola people give you their recipe.

Rick

 

noway wrote:

> Doesn't matter though, cause I stopped by a performance shop that handles
> Royal Purple, and asked them what they would pick between Mobil1 and Royal
> Purple. They both said without hesitation, Royal Purple. So thats what I

Ok, let's be fair: do they also handle Mobil 1? If so, maybe their
answer is worth consideration, but if not, it's questionable. Why one
brand? Why not the other brand? This thread hasn't shown me much to
convince me one's better than the other.

People talk about test results. Well, there's only one thing you're
gonna know about test results regarding motor oil: if it says it meets
API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you know
for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on how
much it exceeds spec is info you'll probably get right after the Coca
Cola people give you their recipe.

Rick

 

For me, it's not an issue of which one is better -- Mobil 1, Royal
Purple, Amsoil -- nor was I trying to enter that argument or convince
anyone of anything.

For me, Mobil 1 is "quite good enough" and I'll be staying with it.

John D.





Rick Courtright <rcourtright@iname.com> wrote in message news:<3F2B63FA.19FDD7F@iname.com>...
> noway wrote:
>
> > Doesn't matter though, cause I stopped by a performance shop that handles
> > Royal Purple, and asked them what they would pick between Mobil1 and Royal
> > Purple. They both said without hesitation, Royal Purple. So thats what I
>
> Ok, let's be fair: do they also handle Mobil 1? If so, maybe their
> answer is worth consideration, but if not, it's questionable. Why one
> brand? Why not the other brand? This thread hasn't shown me much to
> convince me one's better than the other.
>
> People talk about test results. Well, there's only one thing you're
> gonna know about test results regarding motor oil: if it says it meets
> API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you know
> for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on how
> much it exceeds spec is info you'll probably get right after the Coca
> Cola people give you their recipe.
>
> Rick

 

For me, it's not an issue of which one is better -- Mobil 1, Royal
Purple, Amsoil -- nor was I trying to enter that argument or convince
anyone of anything.

For me, Mobil 1 is "quite good enough" and I'll be staying with it.

John D.





Rick Courtright <rcourtright@iname.com> wrote in message news:<3F2B63FA.19FDD7F@iname.com>...
> noway wrote:
>
> > Doesn't matter though, cause I stopped by a performance shop that handles
> > Royal Purple, and asked them what they would pick between Mobil1 and Royal
> > Purple. They both said without hesitation, Royal Purple. So thats what I
>
> Ok, let's be fair: do they also handle Mobil 1? If so, maybe their
> answer is worth consideration, but if not, it's questionable. Why one
> brand? Why not the other brand? This thread hasn't shown me much to
> convince me one's better than the other.
>
> People talk about test results. Well, there's only one thing you're
> gonna know about test results regarding motor oil: if it says it meets
> API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you know
> for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on how
> much it exceeds spec is info you'll probably get right after the Coca
> Cola people give you their recipe.
>
> Rick

 

> Actually, _he_ (noway) was talking test results....as in wanting some to
> decide on what oil to use.
>
> Seems it wasn't important after all, because he used a different science
to
> decide.
> He asked a guy who was trying to *sell* him oil.
>
> How technically astute.

I found more performance and wear tests on Royal Purple than Mobil 1. Also
was told it was real big in the RSX crowd because it's a lot easier on there
apex seals. From what I can see with the information I found is that Mobil1
performs very little better than regular oil. Also I've used Mobil1 for 5
years.

When I went into the store, I went there to buy Royal Purple. What they said
about it just cinched it. Else I would have gone to WalMart to buy Mobil1
along with a tub of OxyClean.

What technical data do you use to justify Mobil1 over Royal Purple?
Something more than, "Its what everyone else is using."? The only thing you
could give me on Mobil1 is a few specs from there web site. Specs that can
met using regular oil.

I don't need to justify what oil I use to you or anyone else. This is my
car.

 

> Actually, _he_ (noway) was talking test results....as in wanting some to
> decide on what oil to use.
>
> Seems it wasn't important after all, because he used a different science
to
> decide.
> He asked a guy who was trying to *sell* him oil.
>
> How technically astute.

I found more performance and wear tests on Royal Purple than Mobil 1. Also
was told it was real big in the RSX crowd because it's a lot easier on there
apex seals. From what I can see with the information I found is that Mobil1
performs very little better than regular oil. Also I've used Mobil1 for 5
years.

When I went into the store, I went there to buy Royal Purple. What they said
about it just cinched it. Else I would have gone to WalMart to buy Mobil1
along with a tub of OxyClean.

What technical data do you use to justify Mobil1 over Royal Purple?
Something more than, "Its what everyone else is using."? The only thing you
could give me on Mobil1 is a few specs from there web site. Specs that can
met using regular oil.

I don't need to justify what oil I use to you or anyone else. This is my
car.

 

"Philip®" wrote:

> > API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you
> > know
> > for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on

> You are really behind the wave.

Really?

> ILSAC is nearly meaningless beyond EPA concerns, API is only the minimum
> threashold specs. ACEA tells you a lot more about an oil and the
> manufacturer specs (i.e. Mercedes) tells even more.

Thank you for repeating what I already wrote. Do you suppose one of the
reasons mfrs don't post much info is the poor reading comprehension of
the general public? Much easier to tell them nothing than have it
misinterpreted. Please tell me what ACEA or a mfr's spec tells me? Other
than the oil meets the ~minimum~ requirements for that testing sequence?
Loop to my original comment.

Rick

 

"Philip®" wrote:

> > API SL specs (or any other testing sequence), the ONLY thing you
> > know
> > for certain is the minimum quality of the oil. Actual hard data on

> You are really behind the wave.

Really?

> ILSAC is nearly meaningless beyond EPA concerns, API is only the minimum
> threashold specs. ACEA tells you a lot more about an oil and the
> manufacturer specs (i.e. Mercedes) tells even more.

Thank you for repeating what I already wrote. Do you suppose one of the
reasons mfrs don't post much info is the poor reading comprehension of
the general public? Much easier to tell them nothing than have it
misinterpreted. Please tell me what ACEA or a mfr's spec tells me? Other
than the oil meets the ~minimum~ requirements for that testing sequence?
Loop to my original comment.

Rick

 

"John D." wrote:

> For me, it's not an issue of which one is better -- Mobil 1, Royal

> For me, Mobil 1 is "quite good enough" and I'll be staying with it.

Exactly! Do you like blondes, brunettes or redheads? Unless one has a
lab to test these different products under identical conditions to
determine which one is "best," it's just personal preference and
anecdotal stories. What works well in my engine is the one that I
~think~ works well based on the limited parameters I can measure: oil
pressure, oil consumption, fuel economy, the odometer, operating cost. I
haven't a clue what kind of wear is going on inside my engine until I
tear it down and measure it. But since my engine's got 336k miles, I
think it's safe to assume whatever I've been using works--for me. This
is purely YMMV territory!

Rick