Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
First off your going to kill that engine much mucg sooner then it
would if you hadnt screwed with it, secondly...your NOT gaining Aything.
have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
what do you suppose it does?
it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going to
compensate
for it.
I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had convinced
themselvs
that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
wire.
the truth is there is no difference.
But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
course thier
little brains told them it sounded better.
i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.


"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>
> "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
>
> No.
>
> That is the weight it is
> > always.
>
> No.
>
> It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
>
> That doesn't make a lick of sense.
>
>
> If you want a straight
> > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil. I
> > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
>
> Heard of?
>
> And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
oil.I
> > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call it
a
> > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity of
> > diesel fuel.
>
> That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
>
>

 

Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
First off your going to kill that engine much mucg sooner then it
would if you hadnt screwed with it, secondly...your NOT gaining Aything.
have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
what do you suppose it does?
it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going to
compensate
for it.
I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had convinced
themselvs
that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
wire.
the truth is there is no difference.
But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
course thier
little brains told them it sounded better.
i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.


"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>
> "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
>
> No.
>
> That is the weight it is
> > always.
>
> No.
>
> It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
>
> That doesn't make a lick of sense.
>
>
> If you want a straight
> > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil. I
> > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
>
> Heard of?
>
> And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
oil.I
> > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call it
a
> > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity of
> > diesel fuel.
>
> That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
>
>

 

i just love oil threads......

"Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."

why? because you do not understand it?

"have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
what do you suppose it does?"

yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a dell
laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and it
has nothing to do with oil........

"if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going to
compensate for it."

total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley and
have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.) and
the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
obdII function.

"I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
convinced
themselvs
that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
wire.
the truth is there is no difference.
But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
course thier
little brains told them it sounded better.
i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."

that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest for
better results.

techie you are not.......





"Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> what do you suppose it does?
> it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
to
> compensate
> for it.
> I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
convinced
> themselvs
> that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> wire.
> the truth is there is no difference.
> But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> course thier
> little brains told them it sounded better.
> i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
>
>
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > That is the weight it is
> > > always.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> >
> > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> >
> >
> > If you want a straight
> > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil.
I
> > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> >
> > Heard of?
> >
> > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
> oil.I
> > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call
it
> a
> > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity
of
> > > diesel fuel.
> >
> > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> >
> >
>
>

 

i just love oil threads......

"Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."

why? because you do not understand it?

"have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
what do you suppose it does?"

yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a dell
laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and it
has nothing to do with oil........

"if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going to
compensate for it."

total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley and
have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.) and
the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
obdII function.

"I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
convinced
themselvs
that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
wire.
the truth is there is no difference.
But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
course thier
little brains told them it sounded better.
i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."

that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest for
better results.

techie you are not.......





"Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> what do you suppose it does?
> it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
to
> compensate
> for it.
> I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
convinced
> themselvs
> that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> wire.
> the truth is there is no difference.
> But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> course thier
> little brains told them it sounded better.
> i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
>
>
> "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > That is the weight it is
> > > always.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> >
> > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> >
> >
> > If you want a straight
> > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil.
I
> > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> >
> > Heard of?
> >
> > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
> oil.I
> > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call
it
> a
> > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity
of
> > > diesel fuel.
> >
> > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> >
> >
>
>

 

"All Synthetic motor oil is the same. When comparing
synthetic to synthetic, its the stabilizers used. Most commercial
synthetics, use Zinc as a stabilizer. Torco uses MPZ instead of Zinc.
MPZ"

this is nonsense......zinc is not a stabilizer. zinc's only role in oil is
to provide protection from metal to metal contact in event of failure of the
actual oil film. (gee, i wonder what the "Z" in mpz stands for?)





"Joseph Wind" <jpg@gif.com> wrote in message
news:bic7ae$fis$1@sun-news.laserlink.net...
> If you think Royal Purple is good, you should try Torco MPZ. I put it in
my
> truck once, and I swear I was getting 10% more mileage. On the next oil
> change to Mobil 1, it went back to normal. I'd like to use Torco, but at
> $10 a quart, it's not worth the extra mileage. I use it in my Racecars;
> Drag, Drift, Auto-X, etc.
>
> Technically, The difference is what weight you use. If your V-8 runs on
> 20w50, and you decide to put in 5W50. You'll definitely see an
improvement,
> dino or synthetic. All Synthetic motor oil is the same. When comparing
> synthetic to synthetic, its the stabilizers used. Most commercial
> synthetics, use Zinc as a stabilizer. Torco uses MPZ instead of Zinc.
MPZ
> has less friction, than Zinc. As a matter of fact most Top Fuelers use
> Torco, even though they are sponsored by another oil company, and they pay
> for the Torco oil.
>
> "Nacho" <c.calixto@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rS92b.10439$vy5.4561@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with Royal Purple? I'm
> > considering it for my next oil change. They dyno'd a V8 camaro after and
> > before putting in Royal Purplr and it clearly showed an 8-hp gain...
wow.
> If
> > a good experience, how can an oil make more horsepower? and how
> > (technically)?
> >
> >
>
>

 

"All Synthetic motor oil is the same. When comparing
synthetic to synthetic, its the stabilizers used. Most commercial
synthetics, use Zinc as a stabilizer. Torco uses MPZ instead of Zinc.
MPZ"

this is nonsense......zinc is not a stabilizer. zinc's only role in oil is
to provide protection from metal to metal contact in event of failure of the
actual oil film. (gee, i wonder what the "Z" in mpz stands for?)





"Joseph Wind" <jpg@gif.com> wrote in message
news:bic7ae$fis$1@sun-news.laserlink.net...
> If you think Royal Purple is good, you should try Torco MPZ. I put it in
my
> truck once, and I swear I was getting 10% more mileage. On the next oil
> change to Mobil 1, it went back to normal. I'd like to use Torco, but at
> $10 a quart, it's not worth the extra mileage. I use it in my Racecars;
> Drag, Drift, Auto-X, etc.
>
> Technically, The difference is what weight you use. If your V-8 runs on
> 20w50, and you decide to put in 5W50. You'll definitely see an
improvement,
> dino or synthetic. All Synthetic motor oil is the same. When comparing
> synthetic to synthetic, its the stabilizers used. Most commercial
> synthetics, use Zinc as a stabilizer. Torco uses MPZ instead of Zinc.
MPZ
> has less friction, than Zinc. As a matter of fact most Top Fuelers use
> Torco, even though they are sponsored by another oil company, and they pay
> for the Torco oil.
>
> "Nacho" <c.calixto@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:rS92b.10439$vy5.4561@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> > Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with Royal Purple? I'm
> > considering it for my next oil change. They dyno'd a V8 camaro after and
> > before putting in Royal Purplr and it clearly showed an 8-hp gain...
wow.
> If
> > a good experience, how can an oil make more horsepower? and how
> > (technically)?
> >
> >
>
>

 

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question164.htm
Heres a link about oil stuff
Malcom
"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>
> "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
>
> No.
>
> That is the weight it is
> > always.
>
> No.
>
> It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
>
> That doesn't make a lick of sense.
>
>
> If you want a straight
> > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil. I
> > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
>
> Heard of?
>
> And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
oil.I
> > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call it
a
> > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity of
> > diesel fuel.
>
> That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
>
>

 

http://www.howstuffworks.com/question164.htm
Heres a link about oil stuff
Malcom
"Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>
> "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
>
> No.
>
> That is the weight it is
> > always.
>
> No.
>
> It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
>
> That doesn't make a lick of sense.
>
>
> If you want a straight
> > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased oil. I
> > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
>
> Heard of?
>
> And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
oil.I
> > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this. He
> > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call it
a
> > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the viscosity of
> > diesel fuel.
>
> That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
>
>

 

OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it.
Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
the passenger seat to even operate it.
My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.
at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
from when your engine knocks too much.
By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the engine
has warmed up.
no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.

"simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo> wrote in message
news:boCcnUWnTPwr9taiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> i just love oil threads......
>
> "Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."
>
> why? because you do not understand it?
>
> "have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> what do you suppose it does?"
>
> yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a dell
> laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and it
> has nothing to do with oil........
>
> "if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
to
> compensate for it."
>
> total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley
and
> have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.) and
> the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
> what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
> obdII function.
>
> "I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> convinced
> themselvs
> that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> wire.
> the truth is there is no difference.
> But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> course thier
> little brains told them it sounded better.
> i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."
>
> that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest for
> better results.
>
> techie you are not.......
>
>
>
>
>
> "Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> > Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> > what do you suppose it does?
> > it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> > the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> > if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
> to
> > compensate
> > for it.
> > I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> convinced
> > themselvs
> > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> > wire.
> > the truth is there is no difference.
> > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > course thier
> > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
> >
> >
> > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > >
> > > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > That is the weight it is
> > > > always.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> > >
> > > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want a straight
> > > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased
oil.
> I
> > > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> > >
> > > Heard of?
> > >
> > > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
> > oil.I
> > > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this.
He
> > > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call
> it
> > a
> > > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the
viscosity
> of
> > > > diesel fuel.
> > >
> > > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it.
Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
the passenger seat to even operate it.
My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.
at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
from when your engine knocks too much.
By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the engine
has warmed up.
no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.

"simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo> wrote in message
news:boCcnUWnTPwr9taiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> i just love oil threads......
>
> "Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."
>
> why? because you do not understand it?
>
> "have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> what do you suppose it does?"
>
> yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a dell
> laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and it
> has nothing to do with oil........
>
> "if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
to
> compensate for it."
>
> total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley
and
> have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.) and
> the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
> what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
> obdII function.
>
> "I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> convinced
> themselvs
> that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> wire.
> the truth is there is no difference.
> But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> course thier
> little brains told them it sounded better.
> i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."
>
> that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest for
> better results.
>
> techie you are not.......
>
>
>
>
>
> "Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> > Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> > what do you suppose it does?
> > it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> > the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> > if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going
> to
> > compensate
> > for it.
> > I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> convinced
> > themselvs
> > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> > wire.
> > the truth is there is no difference.
> > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > course thier
> > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
> >
> >
> > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > >
> > > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > That is the weight it is
> > > > always.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> > >
> > > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you want a straight
> > > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased
oil.
> I
> > > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> > >
> > > Heard of?
> > >
> > > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero weight
> > oil.I
> > > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with this.
He
> > > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could call
> it
> > a
> > > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the
viscosity
> of
> > > > diesel fuel.
> > >
> > > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

First of all son, you spelt bores wrong. :-P

But I agree with you, oil should be chosen for its protective value, not
some false claim that it can increase your horsepower. If you really want to
increase your power, do some *actual* engine modification. Good starts for
the novices are the car's intake system and exhaust system.


Nick.

Techie <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8MS2b.5615$bu.3250153@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
> Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
> 5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it.
> Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
> cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
> Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
> the passenger seat to even operate it.
> My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
> Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.
> at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
> between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
> from when your engine knocks too much.
> By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the
engine
> has warmed up.
> no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
> and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.
>
> "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo> wrote in message
> news:boCcnUWnTPwr9taiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> > i just love oil threads......
> >
> > "Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."
> >
> > why? because you do not understand it?
> >
> > "have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> > what do you suppose it does?"
> >
> > yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a
dell
> > laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and
it
> > has nothing to do with oil........
> >
> > "if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> to
> > compensate for it."
> >
> > total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley
> and
> > have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.)
and
> > the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
> > what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
> > obdII function.
> >
> > "I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > themselvs
> > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> > wire.
> > the truth is there is no difference.
> > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > course thier
> > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."
> >
> > that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest
for
> > better results.
> >
> > techie you are not.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> > > Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine
compartment?
> > > what do you suppose it does?
> > > it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> > > the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> > > if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> > to
> > > compensate
> > > for it.
> > > I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > > themselvs
> > > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than
regular
> > > wire.
> > > the truth is there is no difference.
> > > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > > course thier
> > > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > That is the weight it is
> > > > > always.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you want a straight
> > > > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased
> oil.
> > I
> > > > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> > > >
> > > > Heard of?
> > > >
> > > > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero
weight
> > > oil.I
> > > > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with
this.
> He
> > > > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could
call
> > it
> > > a
> > > > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the
> viscosity
> > of
> > > > > diesel fuel.
> > > >
> > > > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

First of all son, you spelt bores wrong. :-P

But I agree with you, oil should be chosen for its protective value, not
some false claim that it can increase your horsepower. If you really want to
increase your power, do some *actual* engine modification. Good starts for
the novices are the car's intake system and exhaust system.


Nick.

Techie <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8MS2b.5615$bu.3250153@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
> Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
> 5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it.
> Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
> cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
> Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
> the passenger seat to even operate it.
> My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
> Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.
> at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
> between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
> from when your engine knocks too much.
> By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the
engine
> has warmed up.
> no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
> and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.
>
> "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo> wrote in message
> news:boCcnUWnTPwr9taiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> > i just love oil threads......
> >
> > "Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."
> >
> > why? because you do not understand it?
> >
> > "have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> > what do you suppose it does?"
> >
> > yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a
dell
> > laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and
it
> > has nothing to do with oil........
> >
> > "if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> to
> > compensate for it."
> >
> > total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley
> and
> > have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.)
and
> > the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
> > what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
> > obdII function.
> >
> > "I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > themselvs
> > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> > wire.
> > the truth is there is no difference.
> > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > course thier
> > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."
> >
> > that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest
for
> > better results.
> >
> > techie you are not.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> > > Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine
compartment?
> > > what do you suppose it does?
> > > it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> > > the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> > > if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> > to
> > > compensate
> > > for it.
> > > I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > > themselvs
> > > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than
regular
> > > wire.
> > > the truth is there is no difference.
> > > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > > course thier
> > > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > That is the weight it is
> > > > > always.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you want a straight
> > > > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased
> oil.
> > I
> > > > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> > > >
> > > > Heard of?
> > > >
> > > > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero
weight
> > > oil.I
> > > > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with
this.
> He
> > > > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could
call
> > it
> > > a
> > > > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the
> viscosity
> > of
> > > > > diesel fuel.
> > > >
> > > > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

"Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8MS2b.5615$bu.3250153@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...

> try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
> My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
> Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.

Yep. But lets talk about oil.

> at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
> between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
> from when your engine knocks too much.

Yes, that's why a LOT of high performance cars come with it from the
factory. Change interval and "knocking"

> By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the
engine
> has warmed up.

A tribologist, I see....

> no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
> and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.

Why? So you can argue about things you know nothing about?

 

"Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8MS2b.5615$bu.3250153@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...

> try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
> My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
> Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.

Yep. But lets talk about oil.

> at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
> between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
> from when your engine knocks too much.

Yes, that's why a LOT of high performance cars come with it from the
factory. Change interval and "knocking"

> By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the
engine
> has warmed up.

A tribologist, I see....

> no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
> and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.

Why? So you can argue about things you know nothing about?

 

"OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it."

the engine builder is telling me 400 hp to the wheels on pump gas.
he showed me some dyno charts of another mitsu when i picked up my short
block. the turbo has dyno'd over 500whp but on race fuel and more boost.

" Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
the passenger seat to even operate it."

well, to be honest many of the regular posters here who come to the aid of
newbies such as yourself, do have hacked/tweaked cars and the dell is only
out when datalogging. with respect to remaining on topic, it was you who
wandered off the path........
what does any of the following quoted material have to do with oil?
"
have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
what do you suppose it does?
it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is going to
compensate
for it.
I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had convinced
themselvs
that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
wire.
the truth is there is no difference.
But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
course thier
little brains told them it sounded better.
i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."


"My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive."

no your claim was this:
"First off your going to kill that engine much mucg sooner then it
would if you hadnt screwed with it, secondly...your NOT gaining Aything."

synthetic oil will kill your engine sooner appears to be your claim.

"best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
from when your engine knocks too much."

uh, wrong.....

"no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower."
a reduction in the coefficient of friction in the lubricant results in a
decrease in frictional losses within the engine, it's pretty clear.

go to royal purple's web site and look at the dyno charts published in the
oil comparison.

dude, you're just lost......











"Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8MS2b.5615$bu.3250153@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> OK Simpleton....With your fancy *** dell attached to your
> Hacked car's computer...how many more horses are you kickin out?
> 5 maybee 10? you declined to even mention it.
> Lets suppose just for a second that not EVERYONE is hacking thier
> cars computers and try sticking to the topic at hand. Wich was OIL.
> Not hacked Car computers & not Cars that need a friggin laptop on
> the passenger seat to even operate it.
> My claim is simple, you are NO way gonna kick out any more
> Horses by using JUST some cheap *** oil additive.
> at best you can do is with a synthetic oil is skip the length of miles
> between oil changes. or maybee even protect your cylinder boars
> from when your engine knocks too much.
> By the way, the Oil's thickness is pretty much a mute point once the
engine
> has warmed up.
> no oil in the world is gonna increace your horsepower.
> and i invite you to show me a real website to prove otherwise.
>
> "simpleton" <simpleton@yahoo> wrote in message
> news:boCcnUWnTPwr9taiXTWJjQ@comcast.com...
> > i just love oil threads......
> >
> > "Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic."
> >
> > why? because you do not understand it?
> >
> > "have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine compartment?
> > what do you suppose it does?"
> >
> > yeah, mine's kinda' hacked: a 1995 ecu in a 1997 car, controlled by a
dell
> > laptop and dsm-link software but it's not in the engine compartment and
it
> > has nothing to do with oil........
> >
> > "if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> to
> > compensate for it."
> >
> > total nonsense! i have an aluminum flywheel, aluminum underdrive pulley
> and
> > have both balance shafts removed (20 pounds or so lighter than stock.)
and
> > the ecu couldn't give a rat's ***.
> > what sensor reports engine weight to the ecu? i don't believe this is an
> > obdII function.
> >
> > "I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > themselvs
> > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than regular
> > wire.
> > the truth is there is no difference.
> > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > course thier
> > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here."
> >
> > that's because monster sucks...try cardas, straightwire or audioquest
for
> > better results.
> >
> > techie you are not.......
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Techie" <Bladerunner1985@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:zII2b.3126$bu.1234268@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ...
> > > Your all MAD I Tell YOu MAD MAD MAD.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > Anyone putting in oil aditive or synthetic motor oil to
> > > try and squeeze a couple extra horses is a lunitic.
> > > have you ever seen that little computer box in your engine
compartment?
> > > what do you suppose it does?
> > > it keeps the engine running at optimum performance based on what
> > > the mitsubishi engeniers deemed is perfect for that engine.
> > > if you increase the engine weight or decrease it , the computer is
going
> > to
> > > compensate
> > > for it.
> > > I also used to work at a stereo shop, and we had customers wo had
> > convinced
> > > themselvs
> > > that this moster cable speaker wire sounded so much better than
regular
> > > wire.
> > > the truth is there is no difference.
> > > But since these customes had just laid out $200.00 for copper wire, of
> > > course thier
> > > little brains told them it sounded better.
> > > i suspect the same type of self-pyscho-hypnosis is happening here.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Stephen Bigelow" <sbigelowPOV@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1sG2b.34351$_V.32205@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > >
> > > > "Malcom Gillette" <1mgillette1@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:rvz2b.90049$Ij4.23983@news2.central.***.net.. .
> > > > > The first # refers to the base weight of the oil.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > That is the weight it is
> > > > > always.
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > It has additives that make it perform like a 30 weight.A 10w30 is a
> > > > > 10 weight always,but performs like a 30 weight.
> > > >
> > > > That doesn't make a lick of sense.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If you want a straight
> > > > > weight oil you would buy a 30w only.Which would be a thickerbased
> oil.
> > I
> > > > > have always heard of 5 weight oils.
> > > >
> > > > Heard of?
> > > >
> > > > And I have seen the ones rated 0w
> > > > > something,but always have wondered how you would have a zero
weight
> > > oil.I
> > > > > asked our distributor about this.He has a hard time also with
this.
> He
> > > > > thought that it must be at somewhere under 5 so that they could
call
> > it
> > > a
> > > > > 0w. Afterall wouldn't a zero weight be air or at least the
> viscosity
> > of
> > > > > diesel fuel.
> > > >
> > > > That's not a oil distributor, I hope.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>