Going back to the original post. Hachi, dont get too upset, that is
exactly how they want *US* to feel. So there will be war and then
prices of oil will sky rocket.. again and again.

The best way to solve the problem is fight fire with fire. Don't buy
oil from them, build more nuclear power plants, nuclear radiation
waste will be used as WMD, use more electric cars, electric cars
recharge from nuclear power plants. No oil , no war, no pollution, no
. Its either that or use the technology US have learned from
Roswell.

Sweet!

 

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:

> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
> is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
> power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
> operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.


Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.

The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.

Can't have it ALL ways, people!

 

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:

> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
> is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
> power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
> operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.


Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.

The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.

Can't have it ALL ways, people!

 

F.H. wrote:
> Dan Bloomquist wrote:
>> F.H. wrote:
>>> bill wrote:
>>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>> is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>> nuclear power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and
>>>> never went operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to
>>>> stop.
>>>
>>> Heh, an accurate assessment.
>>
>> Really?! So, if a wind farm is shut down and seabrook is kaput, where
>> did the information come from to do so? Now, I expect 'the liberal
>> left'. So, does this 'the liberal left' own the media? Sounds like a
>> contradiction to me as 'owners' are typically business people, not
>> bleeding hearts.
>
> Dan, you snipped everything but what I *didn't* agree with. Why snip
> "Welcome to Rome, circa 2007" and then post a link that says pretty much
> the same thing? I'm all for wind farms and Mark Morford is a long time
> favorite of mine.

Well, I'm sorry for snipping. But I do not agree with what was posted.
For instance:
"It goes to Christian fundamentalists.."

Well, no it doesn't. It goes for the leadership of the fundamentalists.

And:
"Muhammed who said "the laws of god supersede the laws of man", which
means that a Muslim is a Muslim first and an American second."

Retarded on its face.

"The
sad truth is that this is a problem caused by, ignored by, exacerbated
by, and continued by, YOU AND I and every other specific person."

This guy is a victim of the the very thing he rants about but is so
overwhelmed by the talking heads, he can't see it.

>> Why are folks on usenet so braindead? Oh, maybe you are well
>> educated.....
>>
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...otes102407.DTL
>>
>>
>> Get off your high horse of being better than the next guy. 'We' are
>> all on this planet together.... Nothing is accomplished by saying we
>> could'a or it is 'their' fault. It just feeds a puny ego......
>
> I'm with you except I pass on the pop psychoanalysis.

If usenet is not about ego, what is it? And I'm not setting my self
apart, before the claims of such start.....

>> Start addressing our present condition if you believe there is
>> something to be done.
>
> Heh, you have identified the key element, not "brain death" or
> "education" but 'believing.'

Yes, I've done it for years here. Belief is just what humans do. They
can't be 'blamed'. But the leadership that takes advantage of the weak
minded....

> Seems like those in power these days only
> believe in profit and killing and feeding *that* beast is done through
> the manipulation of belief (and it damn sure ain't by the *liberal* media.

It is what humans do. If more folks on usenet would just get a clue, the
world might be different. But to talk about all those nuclear plants we
'could'a' built.... What a stupid continuation of the same old stuff.

> Morford strikes a cord with me in saying "it might be no stretch at all
> to say the biggest threat facing America is perhaps not global warming,
> not perpetual warmongering, not garbage food or low-level radiation or
> way too much Lindsay Lohan, but a populace far too ignorant to know how
> to properly manage any of it, much less change it all for the better."

Three cheers. So, I'll hunker down as I've bothered to learn from history.

> To Rome, circa 2007, add: foreign wars.

Iran, before the next election from what I see so far......

 

F.H. wrote:
> Dan Bloomquist wrote:
>> F.H. wrote:
>>> bill wrote:
>>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>> is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>> nuclear power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and
>>>> never went operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to
>>>> stop.
>>>
>>> Heh, an accurate assessment.
>>
>> Really?! So, if a wind farm is shut down and seabrook is kaput, where
>> did the information come from to do so? Now, I expect 'the liberal
>> left'. So, does this 'the liberal left' own the media? Sounds like a
>> contradiction to me as 'owners' are typically business people, not
>> bleeding hearts.
>
> Dan, you snipped everything but what I *didn't* agree with. Why snip
> "Welcome to Rome, circa 2007" and then post a link that says pretty much
> the same thing? I'm all for wind farms and Mark Morford is a long time
> favorite of mine.

Well, I'm sorry for snipping. But I do not agree with what was posted.
For instance:
"It goes to Christian fundamentalists.."

Well, no it doesn't. It goes for the leadership of the fundamentalists.

And:
"Muhammed who said "the laws of god supersede the laws of man", which
means that a Muslim is a Muslim first and an American second."

Retarded on its face.

"The
sad truth is that this is a problem caused by, ignored by, exacerbated
by, and continued by, YOU AND I and every other specific person."

This guy is a victim of the the very thing he rants about but is so
overwhelmed by the talking heads, he can't see it.

>> Why are folks on usenet so braindead? Oh, maybe you are well
>> educated.....
>>
>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...otes102407.DTL
>>
>>
>> Get off your high horse of being better than the next guy. 'We' are
>> all on this planet together.... Nothing is accomplished by saying we
>> could'a or it is 'their' fault. It just feeds a puny ego......
>
> I'm with you except I pass on the pop psychoanalysis.

If usenet is not about ego, what is it? And I'm not setting my self
apart, before the claims of such start.....

>> Start addressing our present condition if you believe there is
>> something to be done.
>
> Heh, you have identified the key element, not "brain death" or
> "education" but 'believing.'

Yes, I've done it for years here. Belief is just what humans do. They
can't be 'blamed'. But the leadership that takes advantage of the weak
minded....

> Seems like those in power these days only
> believe in profit and killing and feeding *that* beast is done through
> the manipulation of belief (and it damn sure ain't by the *liberal* media.

It is what humans do. If more folks on usenet would just get a clue, the
world might be different. But to talk about all those nuclear plants we
'could'a' built.... What a stupid continuation of the same old stuff.

> Morford strikes a cord with me in saying "it might be no stretch at all
> to say the biggest threat facing America is perhaps not global warming,
> not perpetual warmongering, not garbage food or low-level radiation or
> way too much Lindsay Lohan, but a populace far too ignorant to know how
> to properly manage any of it, much less change it all for the better."

Three cheers. So, I'll hunker down as I've bothered to learn from history.

> To Rome, circa 2007, add: foreign wars.

Iran, before the next election from what I see so far......

 

Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>
>
>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
>>power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
>>operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>
>
>
> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>
> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>
> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>



That's for sure.

To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later canceled.

That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
fossil fuels.

I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
world status and already have made considerable progress in that direction.

Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a
benevolent dictator than our current free for all form of government. At
least we would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that
never seems to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...

JT

 

Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>
>
>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
>>power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
>>operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>
>
>
> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>
> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>
> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>



That's for sure.

To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later canceled.

That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
fossil fuels.

I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
world status and already have made considerable progress in that direction.

Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a
benevolent dictator than our current free for all form of government. At
least we would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that
never seems to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...

JT

 

On Oct 27, 9:48 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
> > In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
> > is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
> > power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
> > operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>
> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>
> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>
> Can't have it ALL ways, people!

Right. brings to mind ted kennedy killing the offshore windfarm
near the cape.
Fact is, if ya can't build anything, anywhere, then how do you
intend to produce anything?
If you cannot drill where the oil is, you will need to import it
from countries that aren't as stupid. If you cannot build CTL plants,
then you'll need to burn oil. If you cannot build coal or nuclear
power plants then you'll need to squander the remaining natural gas.
We simply have entirely too many *********** in this country who
expect leaders selected by the populace to be different to the
populace. Our people are dumber than dirt, so we select leaders whose
plans are even dumber. Problem isn't Bush or any leadership, we live
in a world where the leadership is the people, problem is, the people
are a bunch of stupid ***** who just wait for "leadership", as a
result of which, we are where we are.
solution is easy. Drill in anwr to buy a little time, build
nuclear power plants to replace the coal and natural gas plants, Build
coal to liquid plants and gas to liquid plants to cover the next 30 or
50 years, and start heavy research on PHEVs while realigning our
development style to support public transportation. it's simple, it's
feasible, and it would work. we are not doing it for the same reason
we aren't doing anything else, we are simply too dumb.

 

On Oct 27, 9:48 pm, Hachiroku <Tru...@AE86.gts> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
> > In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
> > is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned nuclear
> > power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
> > operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>
> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>
> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>
> Can't have it ALL ways, people!

Right. brings to mind ted kennedy killing the offshore windfarm
near the cape.
Fact is, if ya can't build anything, anywhere, then how do you
intend to produce anything?
If you cannot drill where the oil is, you will need to import it
from countries that aren't as stupid. If you cannot build CTL plants,
then you'll need to burn oil. If you cannot build coal or nuclear
power plants then you'll need to squander the remaining natural gas.
We simply have entirely too many *********** in this country who
expect leaders selected by the populace to be different to the
populace. Our people are dumber than dirt, so we select leaders whose
plans are even dumber. Problem isn't Bush or any leadership, we live
in a world where the leadership is the people, problem is, the people
are a bunch of stupid ***** who just wait for "leadership", as a
result of which, we are where we are.
solution is easy. Drill in anwr to buy a little time, build
nuclear power plants to replace the coal and natural gas plants, Build
coal to liquid plants and gas to liquid plants to cover the next 30 or
50 years, and start heavy research on PHEVs while realigning our
development style to support public transportation. it's simple, it's
feasible, and it would work. we are not doing it for the same reason
we aren't doing anything else, we are simply too dumb.

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:1i1Vi.290291$ax1.99282@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>nuclear
>>>power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
>>>operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
>> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
>> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition. The funny thing
>> is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
>> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>>
>
>
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
> operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later
> canceled.
>
> That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
> independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
> fossil fuels.
>
> I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
> world status and already have made considerable progress in that
> direction.
>
> Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a benevolent
> dictator than our current free for all form of government. At least we
> would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that never seems
> to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...
>
> JT

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be
the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience."
-- C.S. Lewis

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:1i1Vi.290291$ax1.99282@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Hachiroku ???? wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>nuclear
>>>power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never went
>>>operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
>> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
>> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition. The funny thing
>> is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones crying
>> for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power plants.
>> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>>
>
>
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
> operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later
> canceled.
>
> That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
> independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
> fossil fuels.
>
> I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
> world status and already have made considerable progress in that
> direction.
>
> Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a benevolent
> dictator than our current free for all form of government. At least we
> would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that never seems
> to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...
>
> JT

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be
the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep,
his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience."
-- C.S. Lewis

 

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:08:15 -0700, bill wrote:

> solution is easy. Drill in anwr to buy a little time, build
> nuclear power plants to replace the coal and natural gas plants, Build
> coal to liquid plants and gas to liquid plants to cover the next 30 or 50
> years, and start heavy research on PHEVs while realigning our development
> style to support public transportation. it's simple, it's feasible, and
> it would work. we are not doing it for the same reason we aren't doing
> anything else, we are simply too dumb.


The only problem with these ideas, Bill:

They exhibit Common Sense. It'sll never fly.

And tell me the Democrats aren't just as connected to the oil companies as
the Republicans.

At the end of the day, in the smokey back rooms and the brandy flowing,
it's all just the Good Old Boys Club...

 

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:08:15 -0700, bill wrote:

> solution is easy. Drill in anwr to buy a little time, build
> nuclear power plants to replace the coal and natural gas plants, Build
> coal to liquid plants and gas to liquid plants to cover the next 30 or 50
> years, and start heavy research on PHEVs while realigning our development
> style to support public transportation. it's simple, it's feasible, and
> it would work. we are not doing it for the same reason we aren't doing
> anything else, we are simply too dumb.


The only problem with these ideas, Bill:

They exhibit Common Sense. It'sll never fly.

And tell me the Democrats aren't just as connected to the oil companies as
the Republicans.

At the end of the day, in the smokey back rooms and the brandy flowing,
it's all just the Good Old Boys Club...

 

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:47:25 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>nuclear power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never
>>>went operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
>> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
>> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>>
>> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones
>> crying for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power
>> plants.
>>
>> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>>
>>
>
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
> operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later
> canceled.
>
> That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
> independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
> fossil fuels.


Wind power is excellent, and after the intial outlay, it's free.
I don't know why the Cruchies/Granolas in Western Mass have such an
aversion to it.


>
> I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
> world status and already have made considerable progress in that
> direction.
>
> Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a benevolent
> dictator than our current free for all form of government. At least we
> would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that never seems
> to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...
>
> JT

Problem is, WHO? Hitlary? BWAHAHAHA!

Anyone who gets in there will either sway with his/her particular 'group',
or not pay attention to anyone and probably end up power hungry.

It's supposed to be Majority Rule, but the fact is, the Squeaky Wheel gets
greased, and the Squeaky Wheel are usually the k00ks...

 

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:47:25 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

>
>
> Hachiroku ハチ�ク wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:46:56 -0700, bill wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In the town where I live, there is a planned 500 MW windfarm. It
>>>is being hotly disputed on NIMBY grounds. The most recent planned
>>>nuclear power plant (seabrook) in the US was fully constructed and never
>>>went operational due to environmentalism. This crap has got to stop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you in Mass by any chance? There was one that was killed about 15
>> miles from where I live, and the company went further west to the next
>> best site, where they are also meeting strong opposition.
>>
>> The funny thing is, the one posing the opposition are also the ones
>> crying for independance from Foreign Oil and coal and nuclear power
>> plants.
>>
>> Can't have it ALL ways, people!
>>
>>
>
>
> That's for sure.
>
> To clarify, the original Seabrook (Unit 1) was completed and is
> operational today. It is Unit 2 that was never completed and later
> canceled.
>
> That said, nuclear power is the only interim option for energy
> independence or at least a reduction in dependence on foreign sources of
> fossil fuels.


Wind power is excellent, and after the intial outlay, it's free.
I don't know why the Cruchies/Granolas in Western Mass have such an
aversion to it.


>
> I'm afraid that we have lost our way and are doomed to a role of third
> world status and already have made considerable progress in that
> direction.
>
> Sometimes, I think that the country would be better off under a benevolent
> dictator than our current free for all form of government. At least we
> would not be subject to continuous political bombardment that never seems
> to end or ever produces anything of worth for that matter...
>
> JT

Problem is, WHO? Hitlary? BWAHAHAHA!

Anyone who gets in there will either sway with his/her particular 'group',
or not pay attention to anyone and probably end up power hungry.

It's supposed to be Majority Rule, but the fact is, the Squeaky Wheel gets
greased, and the Squeaky Wheel are usually the k00ks...