On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:47:01 -0400, Harlan Messinger
<h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote:

>Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:36:11 -0400, Harlan Messinger
>><h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>BMW, Porsche, VW, Audi, Jeep and I think a couple of other companies
>>>>have sued to keep anything related to their brand name shut down. This
>>>>has generated a lot of bad feelings among the fan of these makes.
>>>
>>>Yes, I notice that almost none of these cars can be found on the road
>>>any more. Every car buyer in the world is so indignant that a few
>>>hand-wringing fans (with an inflated sense of the car-buying public's
>>>concern with their operations) aren't allowed to do what they want
>>>with these manufacturers' trademarks that the market for these cars
>>>has just dried up.
>>
>>You bleeding heart type are really too much.
>
>Wow. This is a first. "Bleeding heart" being used to describe someone
>defending corporate rights? Giggle, snort. The term would *normally*
>be used to describe people defending the "little guy" based on an
>overblown sense of what constitutes unfair treatment, as you are doing
>here.

Spare me your sympathies for big corporations. I bet they love suckups
like you. You obviously do not know the difference between Copyright
and Trademark. The over zealous nature of these companies will
eventually get them in the end. I know BMW and VAG are too big to go
out of business but I hope they feel the hurt of losing money thanks
to their overly agressive protection schemes.

>>The fact is these
>>companies go after anything and everything. If you actually read some
>>of teh cases you would not be so quick to judge. One case involved a
>>mans last name and he had a website that was verbotten by the
>>trademark holder and they won the case. Also notce it is German
>>companies doing this. Jeep is now owned by a German company.
>>If agressivle pursueing trademarks against individuals they why is it
>>onlt German car companies doing it? Why hasn't Ford and Chevy shut
>>down all teh sites associated with their cars?
>
>I don't know whether they have or haven't. But do you think every time
>a corporation decides to do something, it makes sure that every other
>company is already doing the same thing first? No one would ever get
>anything done.

Oh it is a fact that they have and it' only certain companies that are
very agressive and all of them German or German owned. Funny that.
Most car companies are not scared of people chatting up their older
models. VAG is the most agressive and destructive BMW after killing
all teh older Mini sites as best they could is now going to shut down
New MINI sites as well. All these companies need is the swastikas they
originally had.
Thank God most of the American and Japanese companies aren't a bunch
of paranoid Jackels waiting to devour their own enthusiasts. But that
never stopped them from shooting themselves in the head before.
Germans are notably arrogrant and German companies even more so.

 

On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 21:47:01 -0400, Harlan Messinger
<h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote:

>Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 07:36:11 -0400, Harlan Messinger
>><h.messinger@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>BMW, Porsche, VW, Audi, Jeep and I think a couple of other companies
>>>>have sued to keep anything related to their brand name shut down. This
>>>>has generated a lot of bad feelings among the fan of these makes.
>>>
>>>Yes, I notice that almost none of these cars can be found on the road
>>>any more. Every car buyer in the world is so indignant that a few
>>>hand-wringing fans (with an inflated sense of the car-buying public's
>>>concern with their operations) aren't allowed to do what they want
>>>with these manufacturers' trademarks that the market for these cars
>>>has just dried up.
>>
>>You bleeding heart type are really too much.
>
>Wow. This is a first. "Bleeding heart" being used to describe someone
>defending corporate rights? Giggle, snort. The term would *normally*
>be used to describe people defending the "little guy" based on an
>overblown sense of what constitutes unfair treatment, as you are doing
>here.

Spare me your sympathies for big corporations. I bet they love suckups
like you. You obviously do not know the difference between Copyright
and Trademark. The over zealous nature of these companies will
eventually get them in the end. I know BMW and VAG are too big to go
out of business but I hope they feel the hurt of losing money thanks
to their overly agressive protection schemes.

>>The fact is these
>>companies go after anything and everything. If you actually read some
>>of teh cases you would not be so quick to judge. One case involved a
>>mans last name and he had a website that was verbotten by the
>>trademark holder and they won the case. Also notce it is German
>>companies doing this. Jeep is now owned by a German company.
>>If agressivle pursueing trademarks against individuals they why is it
>>onlt German car companies doing it? Why hasn't Ford and Chevy shut
>>down all teh sites associated with their cars?
>
>I don't know whether they have or haven't. But do you think every time
>a corporation decides to do something, it makes sure that every other
>company is already doing the same thing first? No one would ever get
>anything done.

Oh it is a fact that they have and it' only certain companies that are
very agressive and all of them German or German owned. Funny that.
Most car companies are not scared of people chatting up their older
models. VAG is the most agressive and destructive BMW after killing
all teh older Mini sites as best they could is now going to shut down
New MINI sites as well. All these companies need is the swastikas they
originally had.
Thank God most of the American and Japanese companies aren't a bunch
of paranoid Jackels waiting to devour their own enthusiasts. But that
never stopped them from shooting themselves in the head before.
Germans are notably arrogrant and German companies even more so.

 

"Thomas Andersson" <steiner@tifozi.net> wrote

> I'm writing from the Ferrari newsgroup and run a Ferrari-related fansite
> myself and have ahd no proibs so far, haven't heard of any other
> Ferrarisites that have either.

Here in the UK, Ferrari have told some of it's own (official) owner's club
sites to cease using it's logo.

http://www.wessex-foc.co.uk/

Of course they have the right to do that, but I can tell you that it
most definitely upsets their customers. The guy who runs Wessex
Ferrari has several Ferraris, and the members of this local group have
between them probably at least 60 cars, which is not an inconsiderable
number in Ferrari terms (they sell only 4000 cars a year).

Paul
--
Http://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk

 

"Thomas Andersson" <steiner@tifozi.net> wrote

> I'm writing from the Ferrari newsgroup and run a Ferrari-related fansite
> myself and have ahd no proibs so far, haven't heard of any other
> Ferrarisites that have either.

Here in the UK, Ferrari have told some of it's own (official) owner's club
sites to cease using it's logo.

http://www.wessex-foc.co.uk/

Of course they have the right to do that, but I can tell you that it
most definitely upsets their customers. The guy who runs Wessex
Ferrari has several Ferraris, and the members of this local group have
between them probably at least 60 cars, which is not an inconsiderable
number in Ferrari terms (they sell only 4000 cars a year).

Paul
--
Http://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk

 

In article <083ejvoccca3m8llt2chcovs2ef5s2tosn@4ax.com>,
Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Spare me your sympathies for big corporations.

Sympathy? hardly. Recognition of their trade mark? Absolutely.

There's a difference, although in your world where everthing is either
black or white, apparently there isnt'.

 

In article <083ejvoccca3m8llt2chcovs2ef5s2tosn@4ax.com>,
Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Spare me your sympathies for big corporations.

Sympathy? hardly. Recognition of their trade mark? Absolutely.

There's a difference, although in your world where everthing is either
black or white, apparently there isnt'.

 

Who gives a RAT'S *** about the POOR Ferrari boys !


On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:23:11 +0100, "Paul Duffin"
<paul.duffin@dial.pipex.removethisbit.com> wrote:

>"Thomas Andersson" <steiner@tifozi.net> wrote
>
>> I'm writing from the Ferrari newsgroup and run a Ferrari-related fansite
>> myself and have ahd no proibs so far, haven't heard of any other
>> Ferrarisites that have either.
>
>Here in the UK, Ferrari have told some of it's own (official) owner's club
>sites to cease using it's logo.
>
>http://www.wessex-foc.co.uk/
>
>Of course they have the right to do that, but I can tell you that it
>most definitely upsets their customers. The guy who runs Wessex
>Ferrari has several Ferraris, and the members of this local group have
>between them probably at least 60 cars, which is not an inconsiderable
>number in Ferrari terms (they sell only 4000 cars a year).
>
>Paul

 

Who gives a RAT'S *** about the POOR Ferrari boys !


On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:23:11 +0100, "Paul Duffin"
<paul.duffin@dial.pipex.removethisbit.com> wrote:

>"Thomas Andersson" <steiner@tifozi.net> wrote
>
>> I'm writing from the Ferrari newsgroup and run a Ferrari-related fansite
>> myself and have ahd no proibs so far, haven't heard of any other
>> Ferrarisites that have either.
>
>Here in the UK, Ferrari have told some of it's own (official) owner's club
>sites to cease using it's logo.
>
>http://www.wessex-foc.co.uk/
>
>Of course they have the right to do that, but I can tell you that it
>most definitely upsets their customers. The guy who runs Wessex
>Ferrari has several Ferraris, and the members of this local group have
>between them probably at least 60 cars, which is not an inconsiderable
>number in Ferrari terms (they sell only 4000 cars a year).
>
>Paul

 

Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Spare me your sympathies for big corporations.

Yes, absolutely, once a corporation becomes big, it no longer has
rights to its own property. Uh huh.

>I bet they love suckups
>like you. You obviously do not know the difference between Copyright
>and Trademark.

I obviously do because I explicitly pointed out the fact that they are
different. Are you paying any attention at all or are you just here
for the rant and the attention?

>The over zealous nature of these companies will
>eventually get them in the end. I know BMW and VAG are too big to go
>out of business but I hope they feel the hurt of losing money thanks
>to their overly agressive protection schemes.
>


--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ๔ter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.

 

Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Spare me your sympathies for big corporations.

Yes, absolutely, once a corporation becomes big, it no longer has
rights to its own property. Uh huh.

>I bet they love suckups
>like you. You obviously do not know the difference between Copyright
>and Trademark.

I obviously do because I explicitly pointed out the fact that they are
different. Are you paying any attention at all or are you just here
for the rant and the attention?

>The over zealous nature of these companies will
>eventually get them in the end. I know BMW and VAG are too big to go
>out of business but I hope they feel the hurt of losing money thanks
>to their overly agressive protection schemes.
>


--
Harlan Messinger
Remove the first dot from my e-mail address.
Veuillez ๔ter le premier point de mon adresse de courriel.

 

What is it about people like you who, when they get agitated about somebody
or something which has German connections they have to introduce Mr Hitler
or his party?

It's a bit like swearing; it suggests you are on weak ground.

DAS
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> Thois **** roots run deep which is why I am boycotting their cars and
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What is it about people like you who, when they get agitated about somebody
or something which has German connections they have to introduce Mr Hitler
or his party?

It's a bit like swearing; it suggests you are on weak ground.

DAS
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> Thois **** roots run deep which is why I am boycotting their cars and
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You'd better trademark/copyright that good idea immediately!

;-)
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> Why not change the website name to something like GerMini just to annoy
the
> BMW lot. LOL.
> At least this would distinguish between the old Mini and the new Beemer
one.
>
> Stuart.
>
>

 

You'd better trademark/copyright that good idea immediately!

;-)
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> Why not change the website name to something like GerMini just to annoy
the
> BMW lot. LOL.
> At least this would distinguish between the old Mini and the new Beemer
one.
>
> Stuart.
>
>

 

On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 05:24:05 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <083ejvoccca3m8llt2chcovs2ef5s2tosn@4ax.com>,
> Shomuni <Thanks_for_killing_my_Account@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Spare me your sympathies for big corporations.
>
>Sympathy? hardly. Recognition of their trade mark? Absolutely.
>
>There's a difference, although in your world where everthing is either
>black or white, apparently there isnt'.

This from the auto groups biggest troll. How interesting that you
should side with the fat cat corporations over fan websites.
No one said their trademark should not be recognized. But they are too
agressive in stopping fan websites who are not making a profit doing
this but offer information to other enthusiasts. Eventually the
Supreme Court will have to rule on this and I believe it will come out
that they are preventing Freedom of Speech.
You are the one whop is black and white here. Not I.
They are allowed their trademark but Trade Mark laws and Copyright
laws are different.