Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
Ford no longer offers the 5.0 in the Mustang, hasn't for years.
The guy was asking about NEW cars, not used in any event. I have
owned several late model Mustangs GT's convertibles and I can
assure, you except for the first 1/16 of a mile off the line, the
4.6 is a much better performing engine, in standard trim and it
only need 87 octane fuel. A dual cam 4.6 is available in the
Cobra if one wants to impress the corvette drivers and a dual cam
4.6 with a supercharger is available in the SVT for those that
find it necessary to win ALL the races with anything up to
$20,000 more than its drive home price of less than 30K. But for
the average guy a GT, at a drive home price of less than 20K, is
a bargain. That, and RWD, is why the Mustang is number one in
sales, and has been for many years
mike hunt
Charles Perry wrote:
>
> The only Mustang I would take over(maybe) my FWD Mitsu 3000GT SL would be
> the 5.0
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE01A3.31F5F206@mailcity.com...
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > > with various cars.
> > >
> > > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > > Toyota Celica
> > > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > > Acura RSA
> > > Hyundai Tiburon
> > >
> > > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > > spots, etc.
> > >
> > > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > > people's impressions about these things.
> > > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > > cars. Thanks for the help!
> >
The guy was asking about NEW cars, not used in any event. I have
owned several late model Mustangs GT's convertibles and I can
assure, you except for the first 1/16 of a mile off the line, the
4.6 is a much better performing engine, in standard trim and it
only need 87 octane fuel. A dual cam 4.6 is available in the
Cobra if one wants to impress the corvette drivers and a dual cam
4.6 with a supercharger is available in the SVT for those that
find it necessary to win ALL the races with anything up to
$20,000 more than its drive home price of less than 30K. But for
the average guy a GT, at a drive home price of less than 20K, is
a bargain. That, and RWD, is why the Mustang is number one in
sales, and has been for many years
mike hunt
Charles Perry wrote:
>
> The only Mustang I would take over(maybe) my FWD Mitsu 3000GT SL would be
> the 5.0
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE01A3.31F5F206@mailcity.com...
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > > with various cars.
> > >
> > > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > > Toyota Celica
> > > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > > Acura RSA
> > > Hyundai Tiburon
> > >
> > > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > > spots, etc.
> > >
> > > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > > people's impressions about these things.
> > > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > > cars. Thanks for the help!
> >
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Re: Sports cars are RWD
More so that any FWD 'Sports car.'
mike hunt
Liam Devlin wrote:
>
> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
mike hunt
Liam Devlin wrote:
>
> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
I'm not telling him which to buy, but that was my point. Why pay
Mustang V8 prices for 4's and 6's. What I told the guy was drive
them all and get a drive home price, then decide. As I told you
before the most often asked, and decisive question, when I was in
retail was; 'How much is my month payment?' LOL
mike hunt
MDT Tech® wrote:
>
> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> > Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> > particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> > drive home to boot LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
>
> Now we are comparing a 4 cylinder car to a V8? Mike, I hope it sucks the
> doors off the Celica. How would it do against the little 6 cylinder TT
> Supra?
Mustang V8 prices for 4's and 6's. What I told the guy was drive
them all and get a drive home price, then decide. As I told you
before the most often asked, and decisive question, when I was in
retail was; 'How much is my month payment?' LOL
mike hunt
MDT Tech® wrote:
>
> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> > Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> > particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> > drive home to boot LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
>
> Now we are comparing a 4 cylinder car to a V8? Mike, I hope it sucks the
> doors off the Celica. How would it do against the little 6 cylinder TT
> Supra?
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
That's will be my next Mustang Convertible, if i live that long.
Teh 2005 coming in mid 2004 will be built on a version of the
chassis on my 2002 V8 Lincoln LS and the T-Bird, but will have
the new three valve 4.6 V8. I had a chance to drive the coupe
that was at the NYC auto show. It has a different interior than
the production model. By the way the 2003 I have now is no more
a 'fox' chassis than was the Lincoln Mark VIII was that was also
derived from the old 'fox'
mike hunt
Pahsons - Somnolent wrote:
>
> Falling asleep through 's post...
>
> > best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> > mike hunt
>
> Maybe when they get of that antique fox-body in 2005.
>
> --
> "If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
> most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
> really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
Teh 2005 coming in mid 2004 will be built on a version of the
chassis on my 2002 V8 Lincoln LS and the T-Bird, but will have
the new three valve 4.6 V8. I had a chance to drive the coupe
that was at the NYC auto show. It has a different interior than
the production model. By the way the 2003 I have now is no more
a 'fox' chassis than was the Lincoln Mark VIII was that was also
derived from the old 'fox'
mike hunt
Pahsons - Somnolent wrote:
>
> Falling asleep through 's post...
>
> > best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> > mike hunt
>
> Maybe when they get of that antique fox-body in 2005.
>
> --
> "If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
> most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
> really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
true, you new yorkers have to park where ever don't you? too bad. where do
you do your service?
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> simpleton wrote:
> > spit it out liam. what's in your paddock?
>
> For starters, I don't have a "paddock".
>
you do your service?
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> simpleton wrote:
> > spit it out liam. what's in your paddock?
>
> For starters, I don't have a "paddock".
>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
Falling asleep through 's post...
<blah blah>
Think I don't know this?
> By the way the 2003 I have now is no more
> a 'fox' chassis than was the Lincoln Mark VIII was that was also
> derived from the old 'fox'
From what I know that swaps between the two, my statement still stands
--
"If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
<blah blah>
Think I don't know this?
> By the way the 2003 I have now is no more
> a 'fox' chassis than was the Lincoln Mark VIII was that was also
> derived from the old 'fox'
From what I know that swaps between the two, my statement still stands
--
"If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
wow, usually not wrong here...how about jersey?
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> simpleton wrote:
> > true, you new yorkers have to park where ever don't you? too bad. where
do
> > you do your service?
>
> Sorry, dude, I don't live in NY either (city or state).
>
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
news:3F00F0ED.9040900@XXXX.optonline.net...
> simpleton wrote:
> > true, you new yorkers have to park where ever don't you? too bad. where
do
> > you do your service?
>
> Sorry, dude, I don't live in NY either (city or state).
>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
It's common known that Eclipse bodies are to heavy for their small
engines, especially on the spyder converts. When you have a convertible
the manufacturer must put more weight in the body to compensate for the
weight missing above . This weight is added through out the car and so
the spyders are usually pretty doggy along with most other eclipses. I'm
not denying they are very sharp looking but if your going to buy one get
a 99 or so with a turbo on it. The turbo seems to compensate nicely for
the added weight in both the coupe and convert. And if you add on even
more performance parts like a cold air intake and manifold, hi-flo
filters etc you really will have a nice looking car and a snappy
throttle to have some fun with.
engines, especially on the spyder converts. When you have a convertible
the manufacturer must put more weight in the body to compensate for the
weight missing above . This weight is added through out the car and so
the spyders are usually pretty doggy along with most other eclipses. I'm
not denying they are very sharp looking but if your going to buy one get
a 99 or so with a turbo on it. The turbo seems to compensate nicely for
the added weight in both the coupe and convert. And if you add on even
more performance parts like a cold air intake and manifold, hi-flo
filters etc you really will have a nice looking car and a snappy
throttle to have some fun with.
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
You mean installing a "coffee can" tail pipe and neon lights under the
car doesn't make my car go faster and handle better? If not, then I
better buy the widest, lowest profile mag wheels and bolt on the 747
size wing on the back of a front wheel drive - that should make my car
go faster out of the light :-) Oh, I forgot, I need to paint it some
bright color and put those stickers all over the windshield. You also
need a killer sound system . . . to play the sounds of tires spinning
because the engine does not have enough power to spin the wheels and the
smoke from the oil seeping past the rings just might look like rubber
burning . . .
Ah, to be young and stupid again :-)
simpleton wrote:
> excellent post......
> the snow thing is easy. real snows on the base fittment wheel. i have a set
> of nokian hakkapeliita's on oem steel chrysler wheels for winter. zero drama
> in the snow.
> running the big zr rated tires in the snow is asking for it.
> good point about bmw but a lot of us can't swing that.
> $30k for a used m-3 and then the maint. and insurance costs.
> the mustang (or my awd eclipse) can be easily tweaked into a giant-killer
> because of the support of aftermarket suppliers and that neither are
> STINKING FRONT DRIVES.
> ok, now let's hear from the sticker tooners who've never put a wrench to
> their cars.....
> "ma_twain" <ma_twain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFEF1A7.2020501@yahoo.com...
>
>>The Tiburon is in the same class handling class as the Mustang - they
>>can't handle the turns. In the Tiburon's case the suspension is way too
>>soft to be considered a sport car. In the Mustang's case, it has too
>>much power for the average driver, they will lose it in the turns if
>>they push it too far. In the hands of a trained/experienced driver it
>>could be a lot of fun, but most of the people I know with that level of
>>skill drive BMWs. These people could take advantage of the power and
>>loose rear end to do stunts like J turns and sliding in backwards into a
>>parking space. They also have enough sense to know when to slow down.
>>
>>And no mentioned what you do with a Mustang when it snows. It would be a
>>great car to teach someone how to handle loss of traction at really low
>>speeds in an empty snow covered parking. Getting up a snow covered hill
>>can become quite a challenge.
>>
>>If you want to be forced to become a better driver, get the Mustang. If
>>you like being able to approach and exceed the handling limits of your
>>car and going into hopefully controlled slides - get the Mustang. For
>>many, this is their definition of a sports car. Driving like this is
>>more fun than any amusement park ride :-) It comes highly recommended
>>that you do this on an empty parking lot or sanctioned competitions and
>>not on the public roads - the police like to give tickets to drivers
>>doing this on public roads.
>>
>>kestrel wrote:
>>
>>
>>><MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
>>>>Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
>>>>particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
>>>>drive home to boot LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted
>>>
> this
>
>>>afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the
>>>
> piece of
>
>>>iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put
>>>
> him
>
>>>on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were
>>>
> showroom
>
>>>stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>>>
>>>Kestrel
>>>
>>>FireFighter extraordinaire!
>>>Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
>>>Always remember:
>>>DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
>>>!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
car doesn't make my car go faster and handle better? If not, then I
better buy the widest, lowest profile mag wheels and bolt on the 747
size wing on the back of a front wheel drive - that should make my car
go faster out of the light :-) Oh, I forgot, I need to paint it some
bright color and put those stickers all over the windshield. You also
need a killer sound system . . . to play the sounds of tires spinning
because the engine does not have enough power to spin the wheels and the
smoke from the oil seeping past the rings just might look like rubber
burning . . .
Ah, to be young and stupid again :-)
simpleton wrote:
> excellent post......
> the snow thing is easy. real snows on the base fittment wheel. i have a set
> of nokian hakkapeliita's on oem steel chrysler wheels for winter. zero drama
> in the snow.
> running the big zr rated tires in the snow is asking for it.
> good point about bmw but a lot of us can't swing that.
> $30k for a used m-3 and then the maint. and insurance costs.
> the mustang (or my awd eclipse) can be easily tweaked into a giant-killer
> because of the support of aftermarket suppliers and that neither are
> STINKING FRONT DRIVES.
> ok, now let's hear from the sticker tooners who've never put a wrench to
> their cars.....
> "ma_twain" <ma_twain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFEF1A7.2020501@yahoo.com...
>
>>The Tiburon is in the same class handling class as the Mustang - they
>>can't handle the turns. In the Tiburon's case the suspension is way too
>>soft to be considered a sport car. In the Mustang's case, it has too
>>much power for the average driver, they will lose it in the turns if
>>they push it too far. In the hands of a trained/experienced driver it
>>could be a lot of fun, but most of the people I know with that level of
>>skill drive BMWs. These people could take advantage of the power and
>>loose rear end to do stunts like J turns and sliding in backwards into a
>>parking space. They also have enough sense to know when to slow down.
>>
>>And no mentioned what you do with a Mustang when it snows. It would be a
>>great car to teach someone how to handle loss of traction at really low
>>speeds in an empty snow covered parking. Getting up a snow covered hill
>>can become quite a challenge.
>>
>>If you want to be forced to become a better driver, get the Mustang. If
>>you like being able to approach and exceed the handling limits of your
>>car and going into hopefully controlled slides - get the Mustang. For
>>many, this is their definition of a sports car. Driving like this is
>>more fun than any amusement park ride :-) It comes highly recommended
>>that you do this on an empty parking lot or sanctioned competitions and
>>not on the public roads - the police like to give tickets to drivers
>>doing this on public roads.
>>
>>kestrel wrote:
>>
>>
>>><MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
>>>>Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
>>>>particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
>>>>drive home to boot LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted
>>>
> this
>
>>>afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the
>>>
> piece of
>
>>>iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put
>>>
> him
>
>>>on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were
>>>
> showroom
>
>>>stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>>>
>>>Kestrel
>>>
>>>FireFighter extraordinaire!
>>>Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
>>>Always remember:
>>>DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
>>>!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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