Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
#1
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
price of those on your list then do the same with the best
selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
mike hunt
Andrew wrote:
>
> I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> with various cars.
>
> I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> Toyota Celica
> Mitsubishi Eclipse
> Acura RSA
> Hyundai Tiburon
>
> I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> spots, etc.
>
> Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> people's impressions about these things.
> Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> cars. Thanks for the help!
price of those on your list then do the same with the best
selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
mike hunt
Andrew wrote:
>
> I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> with various cars.
>
> I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> Toyota Celica
> Mitsubishi Eclipse
> Acura RSA
> Hyundai Tiburon
>
> I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> spots, etc.
>
> Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> people's impressions about these things.
> Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> cars. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
mustang sucks
<MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
>
> Andrew wrote:
> >
> > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > with various cars.
> >
> > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > Toyota Celica
> > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > Acura RSA
> > Hyundai Tiburon
> >
> > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > spots, etc.
> >
> > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > people's impressions about these things.
> > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > cars. Thanks for the help!
<MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
>
> Andrew wrote:
> >
> > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > with various cars.
> >
> > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > Toyota Celica
> > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > Acura RSA
> > Hyundai Tiburon
> >
> > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > spots, etc.
> >
> > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > people's impressions about these things.
> > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > cars. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
compared to what?
it's a rear drive that benefits from HUGE aftermarket support.
killmore, are you a riceboy?
let's hear your blah,blah,blah....i bet your a sticker tooner with one of
those big muffler-thingies.
it's a rear drive that benefits from HUGE aftermarket support.
killmore, are you a riceboy?
let's hear your blah,blah,blah....i bet your a sticker tooner with one of
those big muffler-thingies.
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
drive home to boot LOL
mike hunt
Killmore wrote:
>
>
>
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE01A3.31F5F206@mailcity.com...
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > > with various cars.
> > >
> > > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > > Toyota Celica
> > > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > > Acura RSA
> > > Hyundai Tiburon
> > >
> > > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > > spots, etc.
> > >
> > > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > > people's impressions about these things.
> > > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > > cars. Thanks for the help!
Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
drive home to boot LOL
mike hunt
Killmore wrote:
>
>
>
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE01A3.31F5F206@mailcity.com...
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
> >
> >
> > mike hunt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew wrote:
> > >
> > > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > > with various cars.
> > >
> > > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > > Toyota Celica
> > > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > > Acura RSA
> > > Hyundai Tiburon
> > >
> > > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > > spots, etc.
> > >
> > > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > > people's impressions about these things.
> > > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > > cars. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
>
> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> mike hunt
Or go buy yourself a 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged (good luck FINDING
one!).
You won't regret it!
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
<MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> drive home to boot LOL
Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece of
iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put him
on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were showroom
stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
Kestrel
FireFighter extraordinaire!
Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
Always remember:
DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
!
news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
> You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> drive home to boot LOL
Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece of
iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put him
on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were showroom
stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
Kestrel
FireFighter extraordinaire!
Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
Always remember:
DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
!
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
The only Mustang I would take over(maybe) my FWD Mitsu 3000GT SL would be
the 5.0
<MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
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> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
>
> Andrew wrote:
> >
> > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > with various cars.
> >
> > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > Toyota Celica
> > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > Acura RSA
> > Hyundai Tiburon
> >
> > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > spots, etc.
> >
> > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > people's impressions about these things.
> > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > cars. Thanks for the help!
>
the 5.0
<MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
news:3EFE01A3.31F5F206@mailcity.com...
> FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
>
> mike hunt
>
>
>
>
> Andrew wrote:
> >
> > I am going to be purchasing a sports car in the next month and I just
> > wanted to get some feedback on the board from past owners or
> > test-drivers of sports car on what they've found to be good or bad
> > with various cars.
> >
> > I'm looking into the usual suspects:
> > Toyota Celica
> > Mitsubishi Eclipse
> > Acura RSA
> > Hyundai Tiburon
> >
> > I'm really leaning toward the Celica right now because I've heard its
> > the most reliable and best interior/exterior design. However, I've
> > also heard its not that fast and there are safety concerns about blind
> > spots, etc.
> >
> > Just curious to see if anyone had any strong opinions on these cars -
> > any recommendations? What are the tradeoffs with these cars? Also,
> > does the trim make a difference? Is there a big diff between Celica
> > GT and GTS? Diff's between Eclipse RS, GS, GT, GTS? Its one thing to
> > have 4 extra features and more hp, but I'd like to hear really
> > people's impressions about these things.
> > Would be great to hear your thoughts and experiences with any of these
> > cars. Thanks for the help!
>
#10
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
The Tiburon is in the same class handling class as the Mustang - they
can't handle the turns. In the Tiburon's case the suspension is way too
soft to be considered a sport car. In the Mustang's case, it has too
much power for the average driver, they will lose it in the turns if
they push it too far. In the hands of a trained/experienced driver it
could be a lot of fun, but most of the people I know with that level of
skill drive BMWs. These people could take advantage of the power and
loose rear end to do stunts like J turns and sliding in backwards into a
parking space. They also have enough sense to know when to slow down.
And no mentioned what you do with a Mustang when it snows. It would be a
great car to teach someone how to handle loss of traction at really low
speeds in an empty snow covered parking. Getting up a snow covered hill
can become quite a challenge.
If you want to be forced to become a better driver, get the Mustang. If
you like being able to approach and exceed the handling limits of your
car and going into hopefully controlled slides - get the Mustang. For
many, this is their definition of a sports car. Driving like this is
more fun than any amusement park ride :-) It comes highly recommended
that you do this on an empty parking lot or sanctioned competitions and
not on the public roads - the police like to give tickets to drivers
doing this on public roads.
kestrel wrote:
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
>
>>You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
>>Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
>>particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
>>drive home to boot LOL
>>
>
> Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
> afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece of
> iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put him
> on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were showroom
> stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>
> Kestrel
>
> FireFighter extraordinaire!
> Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
> Always remember:
> DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
> !
>
>
>
>
can't handle the turns. In the Tiburon's case the suspension is way too
soft to be considered a sport car. In the Mustang's case, it has too
much power for the average driver, they will lose it in the turns if
they push it too far. In the hands of a trained/experienced driver it
could be a lot of fun, but most of the people I know with that level of
skill drive BMWs. These people could take advantage of the power and
loose rear end to do stunts like J turns and sliding in backwards into a
parking space. They also have enough sense to know when to slow down.
And no mentioned what you do with a Mustang when it snows. It would be a
great car to teach someone how to handle loss of traction at really low
speeds in an empty snow covered parking. Getting up a snow covered hill
can become quite a challenge.
If you want to be forced to become a better driver, get the Mustang. If
you like being able to approach and exceed the handling limits of your
car and going into hopefully controlled slides - get the Mustang. For
many, this is their definition of a sports car. Driving like this is
more fun than any amusement park ride :-) It comes highly recommended
that you do this on an empty parking lot or sanctioned competitions and
not on the public roads - the police like to give tickets to drivers
doing this on public roads.
kestrel wrote:
> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
>
>>You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
>>Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
>>particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
>>drive home to boot LOL
>>
>
> Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
> afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece of
> iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put him
> on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were showroom
> stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>
> Kestrel
>
> FireFighter extraordinaire!
> Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
> Always remember:
> DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
> !
>
>
>
>
#11
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
Kestrel, the 3G eclipse is a piece of crap. just because you ran don knotts
on the street doesn't change this.
"kestrel" <kestrel@netlink.net> wrote in message
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> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
> > You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> > Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> > particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> > drive home to boot LOL
>
> Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
> afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece
of
> iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put
him
> on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were
showroom
> stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>
> Kestrel
>
> FireFighter extraordinaire!
> Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
> Always remember:
> DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
> !
>
>
>
on the street doesn't change this.
"kestrel" <kestrel@netlink.net> wrote in message
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> <MajorDome@mailcity.com> wrote in message
> news:3EFE5E76.C097C610@mailcity.com...
> > You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> > Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> > particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> > drive home to boot LOL
>
> Yeah, Right! tell that to the owner of that Mustang GT that I dusted this
> afternoon in my Eclipse GT. Seems the gentleman couldn't drive the piece
of
> iron (i.e. doorstop) in anything less than a short, straight line. Put
him
> on a road course and he just couldn't keep up. BTW, both cars were
showroom
> stock, no tricks, add-ons etc. Oh well.
>
> Kestrel
>
> FireFighter extraordinaire!
> Put the wet stuff on the red stuff, I THINK!
> Always remember:
> DON'T use Purple K on CART cars!!!!!!!
> !
>
>
>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
Thanks........!
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> simpleton wrote:
> > compared to what?
> > it's a rear drive that benefits from HUGE aftermarket support.
> > killmore, are you a riceboy?
>
> Your net ID is just perfect.
>
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> simpleton wrote:
> > compared to what?
> > it's a rear drive that benefits from HUGE aftermarket support.
> > killmore, are you a riceboy?
>
> Your net ID is just perfect.
>
#13
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
spit it out liam. what's in your paddock?
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
>
"Liam Devlin" <LiamD@XXXX.optonline.net> wrote in message
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> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
>
> Since when is a Mustang a sports car?? <snort>
>
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> drive home to boot LOL
>
>
>
> mike hunt
Now we are comparing a 4 cylinder car to a V8? Mike, I hope it sucks the
doors off the Celica. How would it do against the little 6 cylinder TT
Supra?
> You are correct the Mustang GT sucks..... the doors off Toyota
> Celica, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Acura RSA and the Hyundai Tiburon, in
> particular. Except for the Hyundai Tiburon, a lot less money to
> drive home to boot LOL
>
>
>
> mike hunt
Now we are comparing a 4 cylinder car to a V8? Mike, I hope it sucks the
doors off the Celica. How would it do against the little 6 cylinder TT
Supra?
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Re: Advice on a sports car purchase (celica, eclipse, rsx, and tib)
"Vince Quaresima" <vince-q@k2nesoft.com> wrote:
>
>
> MajorDome@mailcity.com wrote:
> >
> > FWD/sports car is an oxymoron! Drive and get a 'drive home'
> > price of those on your list then do the same with the best
> > selling sports car in the US, the Mustang, then decide.
> >
> > mike hunt
>
> Or go buy yourself a 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged (good luck FINDING
> one!).
>
> You won't regret it!
Hell yeah!! Now we're talking! But this car is neither available (as you
already wrote), nor was it on the list. Sigh. BTW, how about a Lancer EVO?