"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote in message
> news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02...
> >
> > The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
> car.
> > The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
> order
> > to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's
an
> > obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws
in
> > the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while
the
> > car was still in design spec. stage.
>
> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
windows
> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the other
> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
> something here? Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by
the
> master switch now?
>
> > Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release.
>
> I've had every 2004 model out for test drives, and had every compartment
> door or cover opened. I didn't find any releases to be in a strange or
> difficult to access location.

I have a 2003, and perhaps they corrected this one in 2004. The hood
release in my car is next to the drivers left foot where the side panel
underneath the dash meets the floor. It is necessary to get out of the
vehicle and squat or kneel on the ground to reach.


> >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield.
>
> Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every
> model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I
had
> out.

Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing
though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the
windshield.


> >3. No interior light sensor to adjust dash lights brighter when
headlights
> on during daylight (overcast, >rain, etc.).
>
> This is something that I don't believe Honda will ever do anything about.
I
> found it a nuisance annoyance back in '79 with my first Accord (but, then
> reaching forward and turning the dash lighting control up, solved that
> problem). I've become oblivious to this minor inconvenience, in much the
> same way that many people deal the speed limit ;^)

I too had my first Accord in 1979. It was my first brand new car, as
well. I fondly remember plunking down a $25.00 deposit and picking from the
long list of 2 offered accesories :-), and then choosing from the myriad of
colors offered (Silver and Maroon) and patiently waiting 6 months for what I
was damn sure was going to be the best car in the world for the money
($6340.00). I was never diasappointed in the vehicle and might still have
it today if I hadn't been sandwiched in a rear ender that totaled it.

Honda should have learned a lesson from their radio supplier in '79.
Mine had an FM stereo/casette player ( may have been made by Alpine) with a
bright green LED display for station/clock. Built into the radio itself was
a roomlight sensor that automatically adjusted the brighness of the LED
based on cabin light conditions.

Bob


> Brian
>
> www.cakesbydarlene.ca
>
> www.accesswave.ca/~orion
>
>

 

GEE
Did you buy a Honda Accord or a >50K Lexus LS 430?

rjdriver wrote:

> "LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
> news:b5vKc.2455$_9r.317@news04.bloor.is.net.cable. rogers.com...
>
>>Hey Bob, I haven't noticed the other concerns you noted...
>>
>>... as far a dash illumination have you tried turning the trip odometer
>
> all
>
>>the way to the right while using the head lights during the day?
>
>
>
> Sure - I can manually adjust the brightness to maximum when I turn the
> headlights on in daylight, but then I have to manually adjust it back to my
> preferred nighttime setting later on after dark. Extra work and distraction
> from driving that should not be necessary. An interior cabin light sensor
> would have been a much more elegant solution.
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>>
>>"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote in message
>>news:dUuKc.2965$_K2.983@lakeread02...
>>
>>>"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
>>>news:gcsKc.32638$vO1.154778@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>>
>>>>"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
>>>>news:wllKc.343$S5k.45@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
>>>>
>>>>>One thing I've noticed that Honda should change on the Accords is
>
> that
>
>>>>when
>>>>
>>>>>the window lock is set by the driver, the driver should still be
>
> able
>
>>to
>>
>>>>>operate the windows while locking the other passengers, i.e. kids
>
> out.
>
>>>>>Anyone else annoyed by this?
>>>>
>>>>I'm not. I don't find it that difficult to flip a switch to allow
>>>
>>>operation
>>>
>>>>of the windows. It's not as if the switch is in the trunk or glove
>>>>compartment, it's right there beside the other switch you've got your
>>
>>hand
>>
>>>>on.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Brian
>>>>
>>>
>>> The point is to give the driver "control" of all the windows in the
>>
>>car.
>>
>>>The driver shouldn't have to give up control even for a few seconds in
>>
>>order
>>
>>>to open his/her own window. No it's not difficult or serious, but it's
>
> an
>
>>>obvious engineering/design flaw that along with the other obvious flaws
>
> in
>
>>>the new version released in 2003 that should have been corrected while
>
> the
>
>>>car was still in design spec. stage.
>>>
>>> Other flaws? 1. Location of hood release. 2. Dash level airflow
>>
>>leak
>>
>>>when set for feet or windshield. 3. No interior light sensor to adjust
>>>dash lights brighter when headlights on during daylight (overcast, rain,
>>>etc.). All minor annoyances to be sure, in an otherwise fine vehicle,
>
> but
>
>>>ones that would have cost little to nothing to rectify if recognized
>
> early
>
>>>enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bob
>>>
>>>
>>
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In article <tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02>,
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote:

> > >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield.
> >
> > Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that every
> > model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles I
> had
> > out.
>
> Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing
> though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the
> windshield.

Everyone seems confused by this. This is by design. Outside air is
always flowing into the cabin via the dash vents, unless you manually
turn the vent in question off.

Honda (and Mazda) has done this forever.

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-113F7B.19341518072004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02>,
> "rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote:
>
> > > >2. Dash level airflow leak when set for feet or windshield.
> > >
> > > Is this something peculilar to your vehicle or do you believe that
every
> > > model has the same problem? I never noticed it in any of the vehicles
I
> > had
> > > out.
> >
> > Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing
> > though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the
> > windshield.
>
> Everyone seems confused by this. This is by design. Outside air is
> always flowing into the cabin via the dash vents, unless you manually
> turn the vent in question off.
>
> Honda (and Mazda) has done this forever.
>

I am talking about *fan forced* air, not a leisurely flow of outisde
air. My '79 Accord, '86 Integra, '89 Accord, and 94 Quest did not do this.
And if it's by design, then it's the designers who are confused to think
that this is desirable. When I want heat on my feet and not on my face I
choose the "floor" airflow setting. If I wanted heated air in both places I
would choose the dual airflow setting specifically designed to push air at
the floor *and* the dash level vents. No car I have ever owned has also
forced me to also close the dash vents to prevent heated air to my face
while the floor setting was on.....


Bob

 

In article <iyEKc.3018$_K2.1906@lakeread02>,
"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote:

> I am talking about *fan forced* air, not a leisurely flow of outisde
> air. My '79 Accord, '86 Integra, '89 Accord, and 94 Quest did not do this.
> And if it's by design, then it's the designers who are confused to think
> that this is desirable. When I want heat on my feet and not on my face I
> choose the "floor" airflow setting. If I wanted heated air in both places I
> would choose the dual airflow setting specifically designed to push air at
> the floor *and* the dash level vents. No car I have ever owned has also
> forced me to also close the dash vents to prevent heated air to my face
> while the floor setting was on.....

Again, Honda has done this forever. Not only is it outside air, but
it's the temperature of the heater setting.

Go figure.

My Lexus has this little crotch vent that's tied to the dash vents;
there's no way to turn it off, only redirect it. Either my crotch gets
cold, or my ankles get cold.

It's not only Honda who does weird things.

 

"Brian Smith" wrote

> I didn't realize that the '04's master switch disabled the driver's window
> control.

It *doesn't* disable the driver's window control!! When pressing in the
button to prevent the passenger and rear windows from being able to be
lowered by the other occupants of my '04 EX sedan, the driver's window still
operates! I just tested it.


> > The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while leaving
> > the main control switches at the driver's door enabled.

And indeed it does.




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Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent, telling
him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.

Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the master
switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"

Hugh Graham
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com...
> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
windows
> > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the
other
> > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
> > something here?
>
> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
> his switch and the driver using his switch.
>
>
>
> > Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
> > master switch now?
>
> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.
>

 

"rjdriver" <rjdrivers@***.net> wrote in message
news:tUAKc.2998$_K2.1064@lakeread02...
>
> I have a 2003, and perhaps they corrected this one in 2004. The hood
> release in my car is next to the drivers left foot where the side panel
> underneath the dash meets the floor. It is necessary to get out of the
> vehicle and squat or kneel on the ground to reach.

I honestly never noticed that with the models that I played with at the
dealer. I'll have to have another look and reach ;^)

> Every one I test drove had the same leak. A small amount of air flowing
> though the dash vents when the airflow was set to the feet or the
> windshield.

Is it a small amount, or is it enough to be a true bother? I like to have
some airflow coming out of the vents, in the colder months, it helps thaw
the fingers <g>.

> I too had my first Accord in 1979. It was my first brand new car, as
> well. I fondly remember plunking down a $25.00 deposit and picking from
the
> long list of 2 offered accesories :-), and then choosing from the myriad
of
> colors offered (Silver and Maroon) and patiently waiting 6 months for what
I
> was damn sure was going to be the best car in the world for the money
> ($6340.00). I was never diasappointed in the vehicle and might still have
> it today if I hadn't been sandwiched in a rear ender that totaled it.

Mine was a used car with 15,000 and change on the odometer (in km), silver
with a fair amount of rust on the dog legs, cowling, and rocker panels.
Honda Canada paid for the replacement of those parts and the painting of
them (blended in to match the rest of the car). That was back when they were
extremely concerned about their vehicle's appearance.

> Honda should have learned a lesson from their radio supplier in '79.
> Mine had an FM stereo/casette player ( may have been made by Alpine) with
a
> bright green LED display for station/clock. Built into the radio itself
was
> a roomlight sensor that automatically adjusted the brighness of the LED
> based on cabin light conditions.

I don't believe that mine had that model of radio, it may have I just don't
remember (could be old age <g>).

--
Brian

www.cakesbydarlene.ca

www.accesswave.ca/~orion

 

"Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com...
> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
telling
> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.

Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. Now-a-days it
seems that more children tell their Parents what to do and when then the
right way round.

> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the
master
> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"

I have not had to say it but once, either.

--
Brian

www.cakesbydarlene.ca

www.accesswave.ca/~orion

 

You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car
designed properly.


"Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com...
> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
telling
> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>
> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the
master
> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"
>
> Hugh Graham
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
> windows
> > > in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the
> other
> > > position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
> > > something here?
> >
> > Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
> > to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
> > control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
> > his switch and the driver using his switch.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
> > > master switch now?
> >
> > He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
> > cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.
> >
>
>


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Actually it does not. When the windows lock-out is engaged the driver can
only operate the drivers window. The passengers windows are all locked out
to the driver.

>
> > > The lockout switch *should* disable local control switches while
leaving
> > > the main control switches at the driver's door enabled.
>
> And indeed it does.



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In article <Q0HKc.35019$vO1.157285@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:

> > Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
> telling
> > him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>
> Either the Parent has the control or the children have it. Now-a-days it
> seems that more children tell their Parents what to do and when then the
> right way round.

4 year olds need to be reminded--and it's much easier just to avoid the
whole broken-record thing completely. When it's so easy to do, why
didn't Honda do it?

In fact, I can think of exactly NO situation--children or otherwise--in
which the driver should NOT have immediate control over his windows,
regardless of switch settings. In which the driver's window switches
should EVER be off. Period.

That Honda cuts off the driver's door switches at ALL is just about the
weirdest design piece in the world. There could be NO circumstance in
which the driver doesn't want his switches to work.

 

"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
> controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
> design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a
car
> designed properly.

Speaking for myself, I don't consider it a distraction at all. I knew right
from the start, that it was a required a very small movement of one finger,
to permit the operation of the other windows in the vehicle. If you are
having difficulty with a simple thing like that, perhaps, driving is too
complicated for you being filled with the distractions it has, especially
during the warmer months, short skirts being one of my favourite
distractions ;^)

Brian

 

"LBJGH" <bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote in message
news:WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.ne t.cable.rogers.com...
> You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
> controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
> design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a
car
> designed properly.

Speaking for myself, I don't consider it a distraction at all. I knew right
from the start, that it was a required a very small movement of one finger,
to permit the operation of the other windows in the vehicle. If you are
having difficulty with a simple thing like that, perhaps, driving is too
complicated for you being filled with the distractions it has, especially
during the warmer months, short skirts being one of my favourite
distractions ;^)

Brian

 

On 7/18/04 10:27 PM, in article
WcHKc.1061612$Ar.654132@twister01.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com, "LBJGH"
<bite_mee@hotsnail.back> wrote:

> You guys seem to be missing the point. There is no need for the window
> controls to work the way they do. Any unnecessary distraction due to a
> design flaw is unacceptable. I don't understand why you wouldn't want a car
> designed properly.
>

And the corollary to the point is that most other car makers don't do it
this way. The expected behavior is when the switch is thrown, the controls
don't work on the other windows, but they do on the driver's control.
Somehow Honda missed the boat on this (Nissan, too). It must be a Japanese
thing.

>
> "Hugh Graham" <mattdalt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:10fmdgpmo0h7k00@corp.supernews.com...
>> Is it possible the kid is missing the battle between me, the parent,
> telling
>> him/her "don't, and the kid, obeying.
>>
>> Have had a few cars with electric windows, have never had to use the
> master
>> switch after telling the kids, "Do not roll down the window"
>>
>> Hugh Graham
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-7B1B5C.10401818072004@text.usenetserver.com...
>>> In article <9zvKc.32709$vO1.155230@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>> "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In my opinion, the driver still has complete control over all of the
>> windows
>>>> in the car. A split second is all it takes to flip the switch to the
>> other
>>>> position to control the windows other than the driver's. Am I missing
>>>> something here?
>>>
>>> Yup. You're missing the point that once the master on/off switch is set
>>> to on in order to give the driver control, you've also given the kid
>>> control. You're missing the battle that goes on between the kid using
>>> his switch and the driver using his switch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are you saying that the driver's window is controlled by the
>>>> master switch now?
>>>
>>> He's been saying that all along. The master switch is master--and it
>>> cuts out the driver's switch, too, which shouldn't be.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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