Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote in message news:445875F4.629F7A86@spam.now...
> edb wrote:
>>
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
> From the article...
>
> "Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference."
>
> My '88 Honda Civic with 244K mi gets a very real world 37 mpg. What I
> find
> extraordinary is that even cars, such as hybrids, engineered with the
> "latest and greatest" technology still are not that much better. It makes
> me wonder what have car manufacturers been doing for the last 18 years?
>
> Eric

This gets into the question of "what kind of service?" If it's 37 mpg on a
flat 65 mph highway, that's decent. If it's on a 75 mph freeway, that's
pretty good indeed. If it's in town, that's phenomenal for a conventional
gasoline power train and awful for a hybrid. If it's on snow covered roads,
mysterious men in black trench coats will come to learn your secret.

Nobody ever took "your mileage may vary" seriously until their mileage
varied ;-)

Mike

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Why are you defending Honda?
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Why are you defending Honda?
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Why are you defending Honda?
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

I forgive you!!
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:125epg1rh9kdkf7@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>>
>>> For more infl go to:
>>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>>
>>
>> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
>> Conditions?
>>
>
> Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
> my mouth :-((
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

I forgive you!!
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:125epg1rh9kdkf7@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>>
>>> For more infl go to:
>>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>>
>>
>> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
>> Conditions?
>>
>
> Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
> my mouth :-((
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

I forgive you!!
"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:125epp6e0btaed4@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:125epg1rh9kdkf7@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>>
>>> For more infl go to:
>>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>>
>>
>> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
>> Conditions?
>>
>
> Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
> my mouth :-((
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:e1hf52h3qau5260vdbntbqcej5s70kf2f5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Really, 46 percent less than advertised amounts to a lot of variables.
"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:e1hf52h3qau5260vdbntbqcej5s70kf2f5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Really, 46 percent less than advertised amounts to a lot of variables.
"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:e1hf52h3qau5260vdbntbqcej5s70kf2f5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

Really, 46 percent less than advertised amounts to a lot of variables.
"Elliot Richmond" <xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote in message
news:e1hf52h3qau5260vdbntbqcej5s70kf2f5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
> The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
> automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
> understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
> test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
> In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
> known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
> estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
> the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
> Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
>
> Elliot
> Itinerant Curmudgeon

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

But 46 %??????
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> The CR city milage test is pretty brutal. It can easily be as far
> below typical city milage as the EPA is high. Not to say that the CR
> test isn't realistic, it is just realistic of the worst case scenario.
>
>

Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
 

But 46 %??????
"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:dpdg521r5odhb7bbclsvrhj6c5fmaogvdm@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> The CR city milage test is pretty brutal. It can easily be as far
> below typical city milage as the EPA is high. Not to say that the CR
> test isn't realistic, it is just realistic of the worst case scenario.
>
>