Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
05-02-2006 | 09:43 AM
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Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
For more infl go to:
http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
For more infl go to:
http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
05-02-2006 | 09:59 AM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
"edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
> For more infl go to: http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
Conditions?
05-02-2006 | 09:59 AM
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"edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
> For more infl go to: http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
Conditions?
05-02-2006 | 09:59 AM
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"edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
> For more infl go to: http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
Conditions?
05-02-2006 | 10:05 AM
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"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>
Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
my mouth :-((
05-02-2006 | 10:05 AM
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"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>
Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
my mouth :-((
05-02-2006 | 10:05 AM
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"Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:smJ5g.7722$9o4.1460@tornado.tampabay.rr.com.. .
>> Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>> Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>> For more infl go to:
>> http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>
> Did you bother reading all of the CR article? Transmissions used?
> Conditions?
>
Time to eat Crow. I should have read the link before inserting my feet in
my mouth :-((
05-02-2006 | 11:47 AM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
05-02-2006 | 11:47 AM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
05-02-2006 | 11:47 AM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
Wow, its a real secret. i knew about it before I even moved to the Us.
I can't wait for whats going to be a horror story when gas rices in
the US actually become high (as in, more in line with the rest of the
world - doubling the price should get it there).
Maybe then we'll see less of the ugly land-liners with their huge lazy
engines, and slushboxes.
05-02-2006 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
05-02-2006 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
05-02-2006 | 04:48 PM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>
>For more infl go to:
>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>
The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
Elliot
Itinerant Curmudgeon
05-02-2006 | 08:00 PM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 20:48:06 GMT, Elliot Richmond
<xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
>automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
>understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
>test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
>In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
>known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
>estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
>the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
>Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
me too. i did email them aand ask who they felt were keeping it a
secret, considering I found out via the EPA's wesite about 5 yeasr
ago. i then asked how they did espect the tsts to be conducted so that
its repeatable, accurate, and comparatable. Its no good running half a
dozen cars around a track if you've got two different guys splitting
the cars, some done when its raining, and others on a hot sunny day
around 3pm.
Journalistic integrity - they've heard of it, I guess...
>
>Elliot
>Itinerant Curmudgeon
<xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
>automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
>understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
>test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
>In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
>known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
>estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
>the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
>Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
me too. i did email them aand ask who they felt were keeping it a
secret, considering I found out via the EPA's wesite about 5 yeasr
ago. i then asked how they did espect the tsts to be conducted so that
its repeatable, accurate, and comparatable. Its no good running half a
dozen cars around a track if you've got two different guys splitting
the cars, some done when its raining, and others on a hot sunny day
around 3pm.
Journalistic integrity - they've heard of it, I guess...
>
>Elliot
>Itinerant Curmudgeon
05-02-2006 | 08:00 PM
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Re: Pain At The Pump: Government Gas Secrets
On Tue, 02 May 2006 20:48:06 GMT, Elliot Richmond
<xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
>automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
>understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
>test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
>In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
>known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
>estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
>the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
>Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
me too. i did email them aand ask who they felt were keeping it a
secret, considering I found out via the EPA's wesite about 5 yeasr
ago. i then asked how they did espect the tsts to be conducted so that
its repeatable, accurate, and comparatable. Its no good running half a
dozen cars around a track if you've got two different guys splitting
the cars, some done when its raining, and others on a hot sunny day
around 3pm.
Journalistic integrity - they've heard of it, I guess...
>
>Elliot
>Itinerant Curmudgeon
<xmrichmond@xaustin.xrr.xcom> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 May 2006 13:43:52 GMT, "edb" <edb352@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Honda claims its hybrid Civic sedan gets 48 mpg in the city. Consumer
>>Reports found it only gets 26 mpg -- a 46 percent difference.
>>
>>For more infl go to:
>>http://www.wesh.com/painatthepump/9141621/detail.html
>>
>The article makes it sound as though this is all a scheme cooked by
>automobile marketing departments. it may well be, but it is my
>understanding that auto makers must use the EPA estimates and must
>test the cars the way EPA says to test them. No exceptions.
>
>In addition, anybody who has done some of reading and research has
>known for years that the real-world gas mileage will be lower than EPA
>estimates. How much lower depends on a lot of variables, which is why
>the EPA test conditions are strictly specified.
>
>Anyway, that's they way I heard it.
me too. i did email them aand ask who they felt were keeping it a
secret, considering I found out via the EPA's wesite about 5 yeasr
ago. i then asked how they did espect the tsts to be conducted so that
its repeatable, accurate, and comparatable. Its no good running half a
dozen cars around a track if you've got two different guys splitting
the cars, some done when its raining, and others on a hot sunny day
around 3pm.
Journalistic integrity - they've heard of it, I guess...
>
>Elliot
>Itinerant Curmudgeon