Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.

Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
the original clutch.

I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.

You should learn to read.

You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
a few years. Their customers paid the price.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.

Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
the original clutch.

I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.

You should learn to read.

You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
a few years. Their customers paid the price.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.

Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
the original clutch.

I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.

You should learn to read.

You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
a few years. Their customers paid the price.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
"Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.

Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
the original clutch.

I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.

You should learn to read.

You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
a few years. Their customers paid the price.

Chris

Ron,
Sure you can "buy" my logic...but it's costly...perhaps you meant "by."
At any rate, once again your comments typify those taking a most miniscule
shred of what I had written, and practically making a federal case out of
it.
Please go back & read Elmo's comments; his timeline was significantly longer
than 10 kms, and that reflects the context with which I made my comments.
I empathize with your situation, and would be upset with transmission
failures at only 10 kms. I would have to wager that your vehicle represents
Honda's one-in-a-million.
Good Luck with your repairs,
-chris

"Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
news:kpkSb.33144$A7.14275@edtnps84...
> So, buy your logic... does that mean i must have neglected my honda too
> since i have a transmission probelem.... I first noticed this problem on
the
> second day of owning the car.... had less than 10km on it. How do you
> suppose that i abused my car in 10km. It now has 1,200km and the
> transmission hesitates and mis-shifts. The dealer i Purchased the car at
> won't do anything about it becasue i don't have a check engine light on
and
> they get no error codes when they hook it up to a computer. Honda Canada
> won't do anything about it... they told me in a letter that i should
return
> to the dealership i purchased the car from as they were the most qualified
> to diagnose the problem.... So i tried going to another Honda dealer in
the
> city and they would not even look at the car. They asked where i
purchased
> it from, and said that because i had already reported this problem to my
> original dealer... that they would not look at it... they said it was up
to
> the first dealer to fix it.
>
> So, you wonder why people bad mouth honda.... how happy would you be if
your
> transmission was failing after 10km. ????????
>
>
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no...
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> > Saying that Honda's are reliable isn't to say you can beat the hell out
of
> > 'em.
> > -chris
> >
> > "J. Perry" <j_perry@musicians.net> wrote in message
> > news:6%iSb.1382$bW1.15020@eagle.america.net...
> > > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:yiGRb.300711$JQ1.271021@pd7tw1no...
> > > > I have had 6 different Hondas in my life- starting with a 1976
Civic,
> > and
> > > > currently own a 2000 Odyssey & Civic. All I can say is all the Honda
> > > bashing
> > > > here is complete nonsense. I have had two domestics if my life--
both
> of
> > > > which have sent me running back into the arms of Honda, apologizing
> for
> > > > straying from the Honda's reliable reputation.
> > > > Also, has anybody even BEGUN to consider the resale value issue? The
> > > > research has been done many times over!
> > > > -chris
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > My comments weren't even close to being of a "Honda bashing" nature. I
> was
> > > repeating what a rental car agent told me regarding several Honda
> owners'
> > > transmission woes that he had witnessed first hand. I'm certainly no
> Honda
> > > basher. In fact, I prefer Asian vehicles ten-to-one over domestics.
> > > Currently I own a 2002 Lexus IS300 with 6,000 miles on it, a 1990
Nissan
> > > 300ZX and a 1989 Honda Civic LX. There are no domestic vehicles in my
> > garage
> > > or driveway! And one of the main reasons is indeed the resale value
> issue
> > > that you alluded to above.
> > >
> > > J. Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:5ddcea74.0401271757.1c91ff70@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > "Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:<6JyRb.19224$P51.13081@clgrps12>...
> > > > > > I have an 04 civic and have had transmission problems with it
> since
> > > DAY
> > > > 1.
> > > > > > To date, my dealer has not done anything with the problem simply
> > > > becasuse i
> > > > > > have no "check engine" light coming on, and there computers
don't
> > get
> > > > any
> > > > > > "error codes" when connected to my car. None the less, my
> > > transmission
> > > > > > hesitates and mis-shifts.... they have even duplicted the
problem
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > dealership, but won't do anything becase of the no error codes
and
> > > check
> > > > > > engine light. I have done a lot or research since, and it seems
> > that
> > > > there
> > > > > > are hundereds of people out there with honda transmission
> problems!
> > > > Most of
> > > > > > them on next to new cars. My advice.... DO NOT EVER, EVER,
EVER
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > > > honda product of any type.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the odessy, accord and pelude have an extended warranty covering
> > > > > they tranny, depending on model year. the acura's have the same
> > > > > problems. it's not as wide as people would have you believe.
> > > > > the guy with the 04 civic just has a shitty dealer, find a new
> > > > > one!!
> > > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chris

Ron,
Sure you can "buy" my logic...but it's costly...perhaps you meant "by."
At any rate, once again your comments typify those taking a most miniscule
shred of what I had written, and practically making a federal case out of
it.
Please go back & read Elmo's comments; his timeline was significantly longer
than 10 kms, and that reflects the context with which I made my comments.
I empathize with your situation, and would be upset with transmission
failures at only 10 kms. I would have to wager that your vehicle represents
Honda's one-in-a-million.
Good Luck with your repairs,
-chris

"Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
news:kpkSb.33144$A7.14275@edtnps84...
> So, buy your logic... does that mean i must have neglected my honda too
> since i have a transmission probelem.... I first noticed this problem on
the
> second day of owning the car.... had less than 10km on it. How do you
> suppose that i abused my car in 10km. It now has 1,200km and the
> transmission hesitates and mis-shifts. The dealer i Purchased the car at
> won't do anything about it becasue i don't have a check engine light on
and
> they get no error codes when they hook it up to a computer. Honda Canada
> won't do anything about it... they told me in a letter that i should
return
> to the dealership i purchased the car from as they were the most qualified
> to diagnose the problem.... So i tried going to another Honda dealer in
the
> city and they would not even look at the car. They asked where i
purchased
> it from, and said that because i had already reported this problem to my
> original dealer... that they would not look at it... they said it was up
to
> the first dealer to fix it.
>
> So, you wonder why people bad mouth honda.... how happy would you be if
your
> transmission was failing after 10km. ????????
>
>
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no...
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> > Saying that Honda's are reliable isn't to say you can beat the hell out
of
> > 'em.
> > -chris
> >
> > "J. Perry" <j_perry@musicians.net> wrote in message
> > news:6%iSb.1382$bW1.15020@eagle.america.net...
> > > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:yiGRb.300711$JQ1.271021@pd7tw1no...
> > > > I have had 6 different Hondas in my life- starting with a 1976
Civic,
> > and
> > > > currently own a 2000 Odyssey & Civic. All I can say is all the Honda
> > > bashing
> > > > here is complete nonsense. I have had two domestics if my life--
both
> of
> > > > which have sent me running back into the arms of Honda, apologizing
> for
> > > > straying from the Honda's reliable reputation.
> > > > Also, has anybody even BEGUN to consider the resale value issue? The
> > > > research has been done many times over!
> > > > -chris
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > My comments weren't even close to being of a "Honda bashing" nature. I
> was
> > > repeating what a rental car agent told me regarding several Honda
> owners'
> > > transmission woes that he had witnessed first hand. I'm certainly no
> Honda
> > > basher. In fact, I prefer Asian vehicles ten-to-one over domestics.
> > > Currently I own a 2002 Lexus IS300 with 6,000 miles on it, a 1990
Nissan
> > > 300ZX and a 1989 Honda Civic LX. There are no domestic vehicles in my
> > garage
> > > or driveway! And one of the main reasons is indeed the resale value
> issue
> > > that you alluded to above.
> > >
> > > J. Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:5ddcea74.0401271757.1c91ff70@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > "Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:<6JyRb.19224$P51.13081@clgrps12>...
> > > > > > I have an 04 civic and have had transmission problems with it
> since
> > > DAY
> > > > 1.
> > > > > > To date, my dealer has not done anything with the problem simply
> > > > becasuse i
> > > > > > have no "check engine" light coming on, and there computers
don't
> > get
> > > > any
> > > > > > "error codes" when connected to my car. None the less, my
> > > transmission
> > > > > > hesitates and mis-shifts.... they have even duplicted the
problem
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > dealership, but won't do anything becase of the no error codes
and
> > > check
> > > > > > engine light. I have done a lot or research since, and it seems
> > that
> > > > there
> > > > > > are hundereds of people out there with honda transmission
> problems!
> > > > Most of
> > > > > > them on next to new cars. My advice.... DO NOT EVER, EVER,
EVER
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > > > honda product of any type.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the odessy, accord and pelude have an extended warranty covering
> > > > > they tranny, depending on model year. the acura's have the same
> > > > > problems. it's not as wide as people would have you believe.
> > > > > the guy with the 04 civic just has a shitty dealer, find a new
> > > > > one!!
> > > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chris

Ron,
Sure you can "buy" my logic...but it's costly...perhaps you meant "by."
At any rate, once again your comments typify those taking a most miniscule
shred of what I had written, and practically making a federal case out of
it.
Please go back & read Elmo's comments; his timeline was significantly longer
than 10 kms, and that reflects the context with which I made my comments.
I empathize with your situation, and would be upset with transmission
failures at only 10 kms. I would have to wager that your vehicle represents
Honda's one-in-a-million.
Good Luck with your repairs,
-chris

"Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
news:kpkSb.33144$A7.14275@edtnps84...
> So, buy your logic... does that mean i must have neglected my honda too
> since i have a transmission probelem.... I first noticed this problem on
the
> second day of owning the car.... had less than 10km on it. How do you
> suppose that i abused my car in 10km. It now has 1,200km and the
> transmission hesitates and mis-shifts. The dealer i Purchased the car at
> won't do anything about it becasue i don't have a check engine light on
and
> they get no error codes when they hook it up to a computer. Honda Canada
> won't do anything about it... they told me in a letter that i should
return
> to the dealership i purchased the car from as they were the most qualified
> to diagnose the problem.... So i tried going to another Honda dealer in
the
> city and they would not even look at the car. They asked where i
purchased
> it from, and said that because i had already reported this problem to my
> original dealer... that they would not look at it... they said it was up
to
> the first dealer to fix it.
>
> So, you wonder why people bad mouth honda.... how happy would you be if
your
> transmission was failing after 10km. ????????
>
>
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no...
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> > Saying that Honda's are reliable isn't to say you can beat the hell out
of
> > 'em.
> > -chris
> >
> > "J. Perry" <j_perry@musicians.net> wrote in message
> > news:6%iSb.1382$bW1.15020@eagle.america.net...
> > > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:yiGRb.300711$JQ1.271021@pd7tw1no...
> > > > I have had 6 different Hondas in my life- starting with a 1976
Civic,
> > and
> > > > currently own a 2000 Odyssey & Civic. All I can say is all the Honda
> > > bashing
> > > > here is complete nonsense. I have had two domestics if my life--
both
> of
> > > > which have sent me running back into the arms of Honda, apologizing
> for
> > > > straying from the Honda's reliable reputation.
> > > > Also, has anybody even BEGUN to consider the resale value issue? The
> > > > research has been done many times over!
> > > > -chris
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > My comments weren't even close to being of a "Honda bashing" nature. I
> was
> > > repeating what a rental car agent told me regarding several Honda
> owners'
> > > transmission woes that he had witnessed first hand. I'm certainly no
> Honda
> > > basher. In fact, I prefer Asian vehicles ten-to-one over domestics.
> > > Currently I own a 2002 Lexus IS300 with 6,000 miles on it, a 1990
Nissan
> > > 300ZX and a 1989 Honda Civic LX. There are no domestic vehicles in my
> > garage
> > > or driveway! And one of the main reasons is indeed the resale value
> issue
> > > that you alluded to above.
> > >
> > > J. Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:5ddcea74.0401271757.1c91ff70@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > "Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:<6JyRb.19224$P51.13081@clgrps12>...
> > > > > > I have an 04 civic and have had transmission problems with it
> since
> > > DAY
> > > > 1.
> > > > > > To date, my dealer has not done anything with the problem simply
> > > > becasuse i
> > > > > > have no "check engine" light coming on, and there computers
don't
> > get
> > > > any
> > > > > > "error codes" when connected to my car. None the less, my
> > > transmission
> > > > > > hesitates and mis-shifts.... they have even duplicted the
problem
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > dealership, but won't do anything becase of the no error codes
and
> > > check
> > > > > > engine light. I have done a lot or research since, and it seems
> > that
> > > > there
> > > > > > are hundereds of people out there with honda transmission
> problems!
> > > > Most of
> > > > > > them on next to new cars. My advice.... DO NOT EVER, EVER,
EVER
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > > > honda product of any type.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the odessy, accord and pelude have an extended warranty covering
> > > > > they tranny, depending on model year. the acura's have the same
> > > > > problems. it's not as wide as people would have you believe.
> > > > > the guy with the 04 civic just has a shitty dealer, find a new
> > > > > one!!
> > > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chris

Ron,
Sure you can "buy" my logic...but it's costly...perhaps you meant "by."
At any rate, once again your comments typify those taking a most miniscule
shred of what I had written, and practically making a federal case out of
it.
Please go back & read Elmo's comments; his timeline was significantly longer
than 10 kms, and that reflects the context with which I made my comments.
I empathize with your situation, and would be upset with transmission
failures at only 10 kms. I would have to wager that your vehicle represents
Honda's one-in-a-million.
Good Luck with your repairs,
-chris

"Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
news:kpkSb.33144$A7.14275@edtnps84...
> So, buy your logic... does that mean i must have neglected my honda too
> since i have a transmission probelem.... I first noticed this problem on
the
> second day of owning the car.... had less than 10km on it. How do you
> suppose that i abused my car in 10km. It now has 1,200km and the
> transmission hesitates and mis-shifts. The dealer i Purchased the car at
> won't do anything about it becasue i don't have a check engine light on
and
> they get no error codes when they hook it up to a computer. Honda Canada
> won't do anything about it... they told me in a letter that i should
return
> to the dealership i purchased the car from as they were the most qualified
> to diagnose the problem.... So i tried going to another Honda dealer in
the
> city and they would not even look at the car. They asked where i
purchased
> it from, and said that because i had already reported this problem to my
> original dealer... that they would not look at it... they said it was up
to
> the first dealer to fix it.
>
> So, you wonder why people bad mouth honda.... how happy would you be if
your
> transmission was failing after 10km. ????????
>
>
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no...
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
> > Saying that Honda's are reliable isn't to say you can beat the hell out
of
> > 'em.
> > -chris
> >
> > "J. Perry" <j_perry@musicians.net> wrote in message
> > news:6%iSb.1382$bW1.15020@eagle.america.net...
> > > "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:yiGRb.300711$JQ1.271021@pd7tw1no...
> > > > I have had 6 different Hondas in my life- starting with a 1976
Civic,
> > and
> > > > currently own a 2000 Odyssey & Civic. All I can say is all the Honda
> > > bashing
> > > > here is complete nonsense. I have had two domestics if my life--
both
> of
> > > > which have sent me running back into the arms of Honda, apologizing
> for
> > > > straying from the Honda's reliable reputation.
> > > > Also, has anybody even BEGUN to consider the resale value issue? The
> > > > research has been done many times over!
> > > > -chris
> > >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > My comments weren't even close to being of a "Honda bashing" nature. I
> was
> > > repeating what a rental car agent told me regarding several Honda
> owners'
> > > transmission woes that he had witnessed first hand. I'm certainly no
> Honda
> > > basher. In fact, I prefer Asian vehicles ten-to-one over domestics.
> > > Currently I own a 2002 Lexus IS300 with 6,000 miles on it, a 1990
Nissan
> > > 300ZX and a 1989 Honda Civic LX. There are no domestic vehicles in my
> > garage
> > > or driveway! And one of the main reasons is indeed the resale value
> issue
> > > that you alluded to above.
> > >
> > > J. Perry
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > "Chip Stein" <chip@chipanddebby.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:5ddcea74.0401271757.1c91ff70@posting.google.c om...
> > > > > "Ron" <Homer@Simpson.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:<6JyRb.19224$P51.13081@clgrps12>...
> > > > > > I have an 04 civic and have had transmission problems with it
> since
> > > DAY
> > > > 1.
> > > > > > To date, my dealer has not done anything with the problem simply
> > > > becasuse i
> > > > > > have no "check engine" light coming on, and there computers
don't
> > get
> > > > any
> > > > > > "error codes" when connected to my car. None the less, my
> > > transmission
> > > > > > hesitates and mis-shifts.... they have even duplicted the
problem
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > dealership, but won't do anything becase of the no error codes
and
> > > check
> > > > > > engine light. I have done a lot or research since, and it seems
> > that
> > > > there
> > > > > > are hundereds of people out there with honda transmission
> problems!
> > > > Most of
> > > > > > them on next to new cars. My advice.... DO NOT EVER, EVER,
EVER
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > > > honda product of any type.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > the odessy, accord and pelude have an extended warranty covering
> > > > > they tranny, depending on model year. the acura's have the same
> > > > > problems. it's not as wide as people would have you believe.
> > > > > the guy with the 04 civic just has a shitty dealer, find a new
> > > > > one!!
> > > > > Chip
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Chris

Hi Folks,
Just wondering if anyone has considered the world's only unbiased authority
on new & used vehicle ratings-- Consumers Reports...
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...?bhfv=6&bhqs=1
When looking at their data for model years 1995-2002 ('95 is the earliest
year they show), there is only solid red circles under the transmission
categories (not to mention nearly all the rating criteria) for both my
vehicles (Odyssey & Civic): solid red
indicates a rating of "much better than average" which is C.R.'s top rating.
When I did the same for Chrysler transmissions, solid black was the result,
which means "much WORSE than average." So this allegation that Chrysler
transmissions were as bad a Honda's is complete & utter nonsense!
If Honda transmissions were so bad, how did this data escape the ever
watchful eyes of C.R., and the tens of thousands of consumers who've
submitted their ratings? Hmmm?
Gerry, this post originated with you. Have no fear- you can go buy an
Odyssey in complete confidence that it will safely & reliably take care of
your vehicular needs for many years to come.
And no, I am not professionally affiliated with Honda in any way.
-chris

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Chris

Hi Folks,
Just wondering if anyone has considered the world's only unbiased authority
on new & used vehicle ratings-- Consumers Reports...
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...?bhfv=6&bhqs=1
When looking at their data for model years 1995-2002 ('95 is the earliest
year they show), there is only solid red circles under the transmission
categories (not to mention nearly all the rating criteria) for both my
vehicles (Odyssey & Civic): solid red
indicates a rating of "much better than average" which is C.R.'s top rating.
When I did the same for Chrysler transmissions, solid black was the result,
which means "much WORSE than average." So this allegation that Chrysler
transmissions were as bad a Honda's is complete & utter nonsense!
If Honda transmissions were so bad, how did this data escape the ever
watchful eyes of C.R., and the tens of thousands of consumers who've
submitted their ratings? Hmmm?
Gerry, this post originated with you. Have no fear- you can go buy an
Odyssey in complete confidence that it will safely & reliably take care of
your vehicular needs for many years to come.
And no, I am not professionally affiliated with Honda in any way.
-chris

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Chris

Hi Folks,
Just wondering if anyone has considered the world's only unbiased authority
on new & used vehicle ratings-- Consumers Reports...
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...?bhfv=6&bhqs=1
When looking at their data for model years 1995-2002 ('95 is the earliest
year they show), there is only solid red circles under the transmission
categories (not to mention nearly all the rating criteria) for both my
vehicles (Odyssey & Civic): solid red
indicates a rating of "much better than average" which is C.R.'s top rating.
When I did the same for Chrysler transmissions, solid black was the result,
which means "much WORSE than average." So this allegation that Chrysler
transmissions were as bad a Honda's is complete & utter nonsense!
If Honda transmissions were so bad, how did this data escape the ever
watchful eyes of C.R., and the tens of thousands of consumers who've
submitted their ratings? Hmmm?
Gerry, this post originated with you. Have no fear- you can go buy an
Odyssey in complete confidence that it will safely & reliably take care of
your vehicular needs for many years to come.
And no, I am not professionally affiliated with Honda in any way.
-chris

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Chris

Hi Folks,
Just wondering if anyone has considered the world's only unbiased authority
on new & used vehicle ratings-- Consumers Reports...
http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...?bhfv=6&bhqs=1
When looking at their data for model years 1995-2002 ('95 is the earliest
year they show), there is only solid red circles under the transmission
categories (not to mention nearly all the rating criteria) for both my
vehicles (Odyssey & Civic): solid red
indicates a rating of "much better than average" which is C.R.'s top rating.
When I did the same for Chrysler transmissions, solid black was the result,
which means "much WORSE than average." So this allegation that Chrysler
transmissions were as bad a Honda's is complete & utter nonsense!
If Honda transmissions were so bad, how did this data escape the ever
watchful eyes of C.R., and the tens of thousands of consumers who've
submitted their ratings? Hmmm?
Gerry, this post originated with you. Have no fear- you can go buy an
Odyssey in complete confidence that it will safely & reliably take care of
your vehicular needs for many years to come.
And no, I am not professionally affiliated with Honda in any way.
-chris

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com...
> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda
vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

SA

In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
made in the same way and may also have the problem.

I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).

My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
none.

Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
before the tranny failed:

At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
this was not a problem:::

At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
require more space!!!)

The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.

BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
sort of quality you might get from Toyota.

SA

In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
made in the same way and may also have the problem.

I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).

My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
none.

Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
before the tranny failed:

At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
this was not a problem:::

At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
require more space!!!)

The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.

BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
sort of quality you might get from Toyota.

SA

In article <elmop-20363D.23053929012004@news.usenetserver.com>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

> In article <ETjSb.325446$JQ1.54503@pd7tw1no>,
> "Chris" <whosechris@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Well said J.P., what's with Elmo? He must've neglected his Honda vehicles.
>
> Never. In fact, I bought a Civic Si brand new in 92; to this day it
> runs very well, had an outstanding report on the oil analysis, and is on
> the original clutch.
>
> I've never had a Honda transmission go bad. I'm reporting the facts as
> related by a VERY experienced and VERY good Honda mechanic.
>
> You should learn to read.
>
> You might also open your mind to the fact that Honda isn't perfect 100%
> of the time, and the fact is they screwed up on their transmissions for
> a few years. Their customers paid the price.
>

Honda has had some transmision problems that are quite serious. I guess
the most affected was the 2000-2002 V6 Accord, with the Japanese
transmission with exceptional failure rates. The problem is
well-acknowledged, with Honda having extended the warranty for all of
these models (I can't rmemeber how long but a long time). SUPPOSEDLY,
all of the V6 auto transmissions (e.g., new Accords and Odysseys) are
made in the same way and may also have the problem.

I can say for sure the tranmsission also kind of sucked. I had a2001 Acc
EX V6 Whcih I loved but I hated the tranny. It had retarded shift
points (one which caused it to dodge between 3 and O/D right at 59 mph
cruise), was unresponsive and generally ill-behaved. I have the new
5-speed auto in my '04 Odyssey and it is definitely a much better
behaved transmission but who knows if it will last long (I don't care
anyway since it is a 3-yr lease car).

My guess is if problems emerge, Honda will take care of it, like they
did with the Accord warranty extension. Still, this is not the Honda
quality you expect, and it probably would not happen with a Toyota.
Honda has very good quality and more usability in my mind, but my
Toyotas had fewer problems. My Hondas usually have 1 problem in their
lifetime (My Accord EXV6 had a few before 27k miles, though), Toyota's
none.

Here is what went wrong with my Accord. Luckily, I got rid of the car
before the tranny failed:

At 10k miles, the brakes developed a serious shimmy. This was from
warped rotors (all 4 rotors!! obviously a manufacturing defect!!!).
Honda initially didn't want to fix this under warrranty (cost of $290)
but eventually relented and paid for it. I had complained about the
problem at 7.5k, actually, but by 10k the car was almost undrivable
since it would shimmy even if you were not using the brakes. I am also
concerned that I had to have the rotors turned so early since it would
reduce both their usable life and the brake pads (my understanding is
that thinner rotors = more heat = quicker use of pads). Honda assured me
this was not a problem:::

At 26k miles, the REAR disc pads WORE out. I was pretty surprised since
my experience with rears has always been that they last like 60k miles.
I mean that is a long time but 26k seems very premature to me. This was
mostly highway miles and I am very docile driver. Cost was $300. The
front discs had less than 1k miles left when I turned the car in at 27k
miles (although this is not the reason I turned it in, new babies
require more space!!!)

The car also had certain paint defects that emerged over time. These
appeared as cracks in the clear-coat (looked like scratches but they
were not, they also had the shape of the way paint would crack). They
appeared here and there (like maybe 5 in total about 1-3 inches long). I
should say I live in SoCal and the car was garaged both at work and at
home so this was surprising and certainly unexpected.

BUT, I can say in terms of drivability this was the best car I ever
owned. I loved it. And it didnt leave me anywhere, these were sort of
problems that were more like nuisance premature wear issues, but not the
sort of quality you might get from Toyota.