Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html

 

"jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html

TecheSpot needs to hire a team of proof readers.

 

"jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html

We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal burning
electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the costs to
recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage hybrids are
probably a better way to go until the point comes where there is very
little coal burning power generation.

 

"rd" <Hd@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
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>
> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>
> TecheSpot needs to hire a team of proof readers.
>

Better translators is what you mean I think. I once had a manual for a
'Steyr Daimler Puch' moped that had a section on "lubrifying the vehicle".
--
Keith W
Sunbury on Thames
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

 

Stewart wrote:
> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>
> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal burning
> electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the costs to
> recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage hybrids are
> probably a better way to go until the point comes where there is very
> little coal burning power generation.
>
>


Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?

 

"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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> Stewart wrote:
>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>
>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the
>> costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes where
>> there is very little coal burning power generation.
>
>
> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?

Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would be
much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
attacks.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...+author:Isaiah

 

"Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
> news:as9km.116447$O23.2171@newsfe11.iad...
>> Stewart wrote:
>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>>
>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and
>>> the costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes
>>> where there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>
>>
>> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?
>
> Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
> example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would
> be
> much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
> attacks.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...+author:Isaiah
>

Hmm, now I see, "Leftie" has already had the opportunity to respond to
the post in the above link, yet he never has.
>

 

"Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
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>
> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>
> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal burning
> electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the costs to
> recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage hybrids are probably
> a better way to go until the point comes where there is very little coal
> burning power generation.
>

The push to electric cars is not necessarily to save the world it's to
loosen our dependence on mid east oil nations.

 

"rd" <Hd@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
> news:h6qbct$4qr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>
>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the
>> costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes where
>> there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>
>
> The push to electric cars is not necessarily to save the world it's
> to loosen our dependence on mid east oil nations.

One of the mantras has been carbon footprint, which may or may not be
a minimal savings, depending on power generation method used. There
is no free lunch, either petroleum or electric, the power comes from
somewhere, and something has to be burned to get it.
>
>

 

"Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in
news:h6shvj$t75$1@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> "rd" <Hd@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:h6sdn3$7n0$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
>> news:h6qbct$4qr$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.co
>>> m...
>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...s-recharging-f
>>>> or.html
>>>
>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the
>>> costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes where
>>> there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>>
>>
>> The push to electric cars is not necessarily to save the world it's
>> to loosen our dependence on mid east oil nations.
>
> One of the mantras has been carbon footprint, which may or may not be
> a minimal savings, depending on power generation method used. There
> is no free lunch, either petroleum or electric, the power comes from
> somewhere, and something has to be burned to get it.
>>
>>
>
>
>

one also has to remember that our electric utilities are close to full
capacity already.A large change to plug-in electrics would mean brownouts
or rolling blackouts,and Obama doesn't want new coal plants,plans to make
coal use too expensive thru Cap n Trade,is blocking new nuclear power thru
defunding Yucca Mountain waste repository,and alternative sources are not
capable of making up the difference.

(besides halting domestic drilling for oil and gas....)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Thus spake "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> :

>
>"jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>
>We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal burning
>electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and the costs to
>recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage hybrids are
>probably a better way to go until the point comes where there is very
>little coal burning power generation.
>

Economy of scale always reduces inefficiencies. BUT burning coal is
worse than burning oil which is worse than burning gas. I have no
idea where a coal fire steam turbine fits into the mix with a 4 cyl
110 bhp IC gasoline engine.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

"Iran wants nukes? North Korea wants nukes?
I'm sure we can give them some. Or the Navy."

- former B52 wing commander

 

On 2009-08-25, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote:
> Stewart wrote:
>> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
>> news:h6s6h8$h56$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
>>> news:as9km.116447$O23.2171@newsfe11.iad...
>>>> Stewart wrote:
>>>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and
>>>>> the costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes
>>>>> where there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>>>
>>>> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?
>>> Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
>>> example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would
>>> be
>>> much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
>>> attacks.
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...+author:Isaiah
>>>
>>
>> Hmm, now I see, "Leftie" has already had the opportunity to respond to
>> the post in the above link, yet he never has.
>>
>>
>
> I don't read this group every day if I don't need help from it. If
> you look at the thread you quoted, I was involved in it. Still, if you
> really value my opinion that much: carbon emissions are just one aspect
> of power generation, and while coal is the highest in that respect
> (except, maybe, for burning garbage) it is also the worst in sulfur
> emissions. To dismiss EVs as not making much of an environmental
> difference because, in one carefully chosen comparison in a state with
> high electricity rates, they only save a little money over gas vehicles
> (unless of course you factor in IC vehicle maintenance costs!) is a
> tactic worthy of the kind of offhand dismissal I gave it. You give
> simplistic comparisons, I'll give simple detractions.

The EVs make minimal difference BECAUSE of what you state; The
electricity comes from Coal plants (mostly), and therefore generates a
large carbon footprint. Much higher, AAMOF, than a Hybrid. It has
little to do with money, and that was the point of the post you
answered in THIS thread.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

 

Stewart wrote:
> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
> news:h6s6h8$h56$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
>> news:as9km.116447$O23.2171@newsfe11.iad...
>>> Stewart wrote:
>>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and
>>>> the costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes
>>>> where there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>>
>>> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?
>> Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
>> example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would
>> be
>> much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
>> attacks.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...+author:Isaiah
>>
>
> Hmm, now I see, "Leftie" has already had the opportunity to respond to
> the post in the above link, yet he never has.
>
>

I don't read this group every day if I don't need help from it. If
you look at the thread you quoted, I was involved in it. Still, if you
really value my opinion that much: carbon emissions are just one aspect
of power generation, and while coal is the highest in that respect
(except, maybe, for burning garbage) it is also the worst in sulfur
emissions. To dismiss EVs as not making much of an environmental
difference because, in one carefully chosen comparison in a state with
high electricity rates, they only save a little money over gas vehicles
(unless of course you factor in IC vehicle maintenance costs!) is a
tactic worthy of the kind of offhand dismissal I gave it. You give
simplistic comparisons, I'll give simple detractions.

 

Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com> wrote in
news:slrnh97gfm.ipb.joe@barada.griffincs.local:

> On 2009-08-25, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> Stewart wrote:
>>> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
>>> news:h6s6h8$h56$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:as9km.116447$O23.2171@newsfe11.iad...
>>>>> Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups
>>>>>> .com...
>>>>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...less-rechargin
>>>>>>> g-for.html
>>>>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>>>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and
>>>>>> the costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>>>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes
>>>>>> where there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel
>>>>> Authoritative?
>>>> Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
>>>> example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would
>>>> be
>>>> much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
>>>> attacks.
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...thread/thread/
>>>> bc78df0cc6ae61a1/d342809e58c284fe?q=group:alt.autos.honda+author:Is a
>>>> iah
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm, now I see, "Leftie" has already had the opportunity to respond
>>> to the post in the above link, yet he never has.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't read this group every day if I don't need help from it.
>> If
>> you look at the thread you quoted, I was involved in it. Still, if
>> you really value my opinion that much: carbon emissions are just one
>> aspect of power generation, and while coal is the highest in that
>> respect (except, maybe, for burning garbage) it is also the worst in
>> sulfur emissions. To dismiss EVs as not making much of an
>> environmental difference because, in one carefully chosen comparison
>> in a state with high electricity rates, they only save a little money
>> over gas vehicles (unless of course you factor in IC vehicle
>> maintenance costs!) is a tactic worthy of the kind of offhand
>> dismissal I gave it. You give simplistic comparisons, I'll give
>> simple detractions.
>
> The EVs make minimal difference BECAUSE of what you state; The
> electricity comes from Coal plants (mostly), and therefore generates a
> large carbon footprint. Much higher, AAMOF, than a Hybrid. It has
> little to do with money, and that was the point of the post you
> answered in THIS thread.
>

actually,adding the extra load from a lot of plug-in EVs,you either get an
INCREASE in carbon,as coal-fired plants are the quickest,easiest,cheapest
way to add (needed)generating capacity,or you get brownouts and
blackouts,because our present generating capacity is near maximum.
Some places in the US already experience brownouts and rolling blackouts.

solar and wind cannot provided the needed generation capacity,Obama is
blocking nuclear power,and blocking new domestic oil and gas drilling and
production.

also,environuts are blocking new power transmission lines.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

Joe wrote:
> On 2009-08-25, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote:
>> Stewart wrote:
>>> "Stewart" <stewartg@american.org> wrote in message
>>> news:h6s6h8$h56$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> "Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:as9km.116447$O23.2171@newsfe11.iad...
>>>>> Stewart wrote:
>>>>>> "jolly" <freedatingsites@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:e6d58861-c103-464d-8e30-4200ddb764f2@v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Nissan Plans Wireless Charging on Electric Cars
>>>>>>> http://www.techespot.com/2009/08/ele...rging-for.html
>>>>>> We gain very little with electric cars if recharged with coal
>>>>>> burning electricity. Carbon footprint savings are minimal, and
>>>>>> the costs to recharge are not much better then gas. High mileage
>>>>>> hybrids are probably a better way to go until the point comes
>>>>>> where there is very little coal burning power generation.
>>>>> Does saying things that aren't true make you feel Authoritative?
>>>> Read the post from Isaiah in response to Leftie, it is just one
>>>> example of an analysis. If you have some better numbers, it would
>>>> be
>>>> much more authoritative to use them instead of using ad hominem
>>>> attacks.
>>>>
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.a...+author:Isaiah
>>>>
>>> Hmm, now I see, "Leftie" has already had the opportunity to respond to
>>> the post in the above link, yet he never has.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't read this group every day if I don't need help from it. If
>> you look at the thread you quoted, I was involved in it. Still, if you
>> really value my opinion that much: carbon emissions are just one aspect
>> of power generation, and while coal is the highest in that respect
>> (except, maybe, for burning garbage) it is also the worst in sulfur
>> emissions. To dismiss EVs as not making much of an environmental
>> difference because, in one carefully chosen comparison in a state with
>> high electricity rates, they only save a little money over gas vehicles
>> (unless of course you factor in IC vehicle maintenance costs!) is a
>> tactic worthy of the kind of offhand dismissal I gave it. You give
>> simplistic comparisons, I'll give simple detractions.
>
> The EVs make minimal difference BECAUSE of what you state; The
> electricity comes from Coal plants (mostly), and therefore generates a
> large carbon footprint. Much higher, AAMOF, than a Hybrid. It has
> little to do with money, and that was the point of the post you
> answered in THIS thread.
>

I wasn't clear enough. You have to look at all of the impacts for
each source being compared, not just one. IC vehicles generate VOC
emissions, used oil, etc. Coal plants generate more than just CO2.
Someone posting about high electric rates in one state and one pollutant
isn't going to present an accurate picture.