"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> The Honda Accord Hybrid looks like an Accord.
> The Honda Civic Hybrid looks like a Civic.
> The Toyota Prius is unique--it does not look like any other car.
> When almost anyone looks at a Toyota Prius--they know
> that it's a Toyota Prius Hybrid car.

That is certainly true of the 2004-current Prius, but the 2001-2003 Prius is
hard to tell apart from the 4-door Ford Focus Sedan. Some Focus cars don't
have the rear spoiler, the Prius has a battery vent on the left "C" pillar,
and the logos are different. The color options have some overlap, but there
are different colors available between the two. That's about it.

Mike

 

"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1704061530090001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
> The Honda Accord Hybrid looks like an Accord.
> The Honda Civic Hybrid looks like a Civic.
> The Toyota Prius is unique--it does not look like any other car.
> When almost anyone looks at a Toyota Prius--they know
> that it's a Toyota Prius Hybrid car.

That is certainly true of the 2004-current Prius, but the 2001-2003 Prius is
hard to tell apart from the 4-door Ford Focus Sedan. Some Focus cars don't
have the rear spoiler, the Prius has a battery vent on the left "C" pillar,
and the logos are different. The color options have some overlap, but there
are different colors available between the two. That's about it.

Mike

 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:jPednRDsm_cc39nZRVn-pw@sedona.net:

> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-1704061530090001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
>> The Honda Accord Hybrid looks like an Accord.
>> The Honda Civic Hybrid looks like a Civic.
>> The Toyota Prius is unique--it does not look like any other car.
>> When almost anyone looks at a Toyota Prius--they know
>> that it's a Toyota Prius Hybrid car.
>
> That is certainly true of the 2004-current Prius, but the 2001-2003
> Prius is hard to tell apart from the 4-door Ford Focus Sedan. Some
> Focus cars don't have the rear spoiler, the Prius has a battery vent
> on the left "C" pillar, and the logos are different. The color options
> have some overlap, but there are different colors available between
> the two. That's about it.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because people
drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
sales.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:jPednRDsm_cc39nZRVn-pw@sedona.net:

> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-1704061530090001@66-52-22-51.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
>> The Honda Accord Hybrid looks like an Accord.
>> The Honda Civic Hybrid looks like a Civic.
>> The Toyota Prius is unique--it does not look like any other car.
>> When almost anyone looks at a Toyota Prius--they know
>> that it's a Toyota Prius Hybrid car.
>
> That is certainly true of the 2004-current Prius, but the 2001-2003
> Prius is hard to tell apart from the 4-door Ford Focus Sedan. Some
> Focus cars don't have the rear spoiler, the Prius has a battery vent
> on the left "C" pillar, and the logos are different. The color options
> have some overlap, but there are different colors available between
> the two. That's about it.
>
> Mike
>
>
>

It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because people
drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
sales.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

 

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
>> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
>> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
>> production of Hybrid Accords.
>
>The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
>electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
>that is probably on a good day.
>
>Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
>made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
>made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
>
>Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
>by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
>
>Lynn

I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.

I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.

 

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

>> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
>> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
>> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
>> production of Hybrid Accords.
>
>The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
>electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
>that is probably on a good day.
>
>Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
>made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
>made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
>
>Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
>by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
>
>Lynn

I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.

I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.

 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8E88BED6DEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
>
> It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because
> people
> drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
> significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
> sales.
>
> --
Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
on waiting lists.

The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage. The EPA
has told us since the '70s, when they started the fuel economy testing, the
numbers were "for comparison only" and "your mileage may vary." Some people
just ignore what they don't want to hear, I reckon. At any rate, the problem
of "YMMV" will probably worsen as better fuel economy becomes common. My
rough estimation is that a passenger car or even light truck could reach
somewhere between 100 and 200 mpg in low speed driving on level ground. I
was looking for the link to a recent track competition, where I recall a
stock Prius turned in over 100 mpg in very unrealistic conditions, but don't
see it just now. If we weren't operating engines in such incredibly
inefficient ranges we could be doing that today. But the gasoline goes to
more than moving the car in real life. Cold engines and catalytic converters
have to be warmed up, the passengers have to be warmed or cooled,
electricity must be generated for lights, fans, and big honkin' amplifiers
(sorry - I got carried away!) These parasitic factors already sap up to 20%
of the EPA figures for most people. What will the public think when the EPA
says 113 mpg - as Toyota is credibly rumored to have as a goal - and Joe
Consumer is making dozens of half mile trips to the corner store on every
tank and complaining how he was lied to?

Mike

 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8E88BED6DEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
>
> It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because
> people
> drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
> significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
> sales.
>
> --
Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
on waiting lists.

The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage. The EPA
has told us since the '70s, when they started the fuel economy testing, the
numbers were "for comparison only" and "your mileage may vary." Some people
just ignore what they don't want to hear, I reckon. At any rate, the problem
of "YMMV" will probably worsen as better fuel economy becomes common. My
rough estimation is that a passenger car or even light truck could reach
somewhere between 100 and 200 mpg in low speed driving on level ground. I
was looking for the link to a recent track competition, where I recall a
stock Prius turned in over 100 mpg in very unrealistic conditions, but don't
see it just now. If we weren't operating engines in such incredibly
inefficient ranges we could be doing that today. But the gasoline goes to
more than moving the car in real life. Cold engines and catalytic converters
have to be warmed up, the passengers have to be warmed or cooled,
electricity must be generated for lights, fans, and big honkin' amplifiers
(sorry - I got carried away!) These parasitic factors already sap up to 20%
of the EPA figures for most people. What will the public think when the EPA
says 113 mpg - as Toyota is credibly rumored to have as a goal - and Joe
Consumer is making dozens of half mile trips to the corner store on every
tank and complaining how he was lied to?

Mike

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns97A8E88BED6DEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
> >
> > It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because
> > people
> > drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
> > significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
> > sales.
> >
> > --
> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
> on waiting lists.
>
> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage. The EPA
> has told us since the '70s, when they started the fuel economy testing, the
> numbers were "for comparison only" and "your mileage may vary." Some people
> just ignore what they don't want to hear, I reckon. At any rate, the problem
> of "YMMV" will probably worsen as better fuel economy becomes common. My
> rough estimation is that a passenger car or even light truck could reach
> somewhere between 100 and 200 mpg in low speed driving on level ground. I
> was looking for the link to a recent track competition, where I recall a
> stock Prius turned in over 100 mpg in very unrealistic conditions, but don't
> see it just now. If we weren't operating engines in such incredibly
> inefficient ranges we could be doing that today. But the gasoline goes to
> more than moving the car in real life. Cold engines and catalytic converters
> have to be warmed up, the passengers have to be warmed or cooled,
> electricity must be generated for lights, fans, and big honkin' amplifiers
> (sorry - I got carried away!) These parasitic factors already sap up to 20%
> of the EPA figures for most people. What will the public think when the EPA
> says 113 mpg - as Toyota is credibly rumored to have as a goal - and Joe
> Consumer is making dozens of half mile trips to the corner store on every
> tank and complaining how he was lied to?
>
> Mike



Heh... As the populace is "dumbed down," one can only (rational thought
processes required) that there are just too many people on the planet.
Just think.. If the world's population were to be cut in half tomorrow,
most of the current "crisis" issues would simply vanish..

JT

(But let me stay!)

 

Michael Pardee wrote:
>
> "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
> news:Xns97A8E88BED6DEjyanikkuanet@129.250.170.83.. .
> >
> > It seems that hybrids are not getting the advertised mileage,because
> > people
> > drive differently than they anticipated,the cost of a hybrid is
> > significantly higher than a normal auto,for a couple of reasons for low
> > sales.
> >
> > --
> Toyota is selling all they can make, with most areas still putting buyers
> on waiting lists.
>
> The problem is that no car has ever gotten the advertised mileage. The EPA
> has told us since the '70s, when they started the fuel economy testing, the
> numbers were "for comparison only" and "your mileage may vary." Some people
> just ignore what they don't want to hear, I reckon. At any rate, the problem
> of "YMMV" will probably worsen as better fuel economy becomes common. My
> rough estimation is that a passenger car or even light truck could reach
> somewhere between 100 and 200 mpg in low speed driving on level ground. I
> was looking for the link to a recent track competition, where I recall a
> stock Prius turned in over 100 mpg in very unrealistic conditions, but don't
> see it just now. If we weren't operating engines in such incredibly
> inefficient ranges we could be doing that today. But the gasoline goes to
> more than moving the car in real life. Cold engines and catalytic converters
> have to be warmed up, the passengers have to be warmed or cooled,
> electricity must be generated for lights, fans, and big honkin' amplifiers
> (sorry - I got carried away!) These parasitic factors already sap up to 20%
> of the EPA figures for most people. What will the public think when the EPA
> says 113 mpg - as Toyota is credibly rumored to have as a goal - and Joe
> Consumer is making dozens of half mile trips to the corner store on every
> tank and complaining how he was lied to?
>
> Mike



Heh... As the populace is "dumbed down," one can only (rational thought
processes required) that there are just too many people on the planet.
Just think.. If the world's population were to be cut in half tomorrow,
most of the current "crisis" issues would simply vanish..

JT

(But let me stay!)

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:4444C6B1.4BB9AA4C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
> Heh... As the populace is "dumbed down," one can only (rational thought
> processes required) that there are just too many people on the planet.
> Just think.. If the world's population were to be cut in half tomorrow,
> most of the current "crisis" issues would simply vanish..
>
> JT
>
> (But let me stay!)

Maybe it depends on which half remains ;-) Since I've already admitted to
being in the half that opens the "do not open" housing my fate is probably
sealed. The test will be marked by three billion people simultaneously
looking at a doodad and saying in a variety of languages, "Hey! What's
this?"

Mike

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpster@GrumpyvilleNOT.com> wrote in message
news:4444C6B1.4BB9AA4C@GrumpyvilleNOT.com...
>
> Heh... As the populace is "dumbed down," one can only (rational thought
> processes required) that there are just too many people on the planet.
> Just think.. If the world's population were to be cut in half tomorrow,
> most of the current "crisis" issues would simply vanish..
>
> JT
>
> (But let me stay!)

Maybe it depends on which half remains ;-) Since I've already admitted to
being in the half that opens the "do not open" housing my fate is probably
sealed. The test will be marked by three billion people simultaneously
looking at a doodad and saying in a variety of languages, "Hey! What's
this?"

Mike

 

In article <j8o842lop8iv7c9pttmhh14e6gl1qr5ie3@4ax.com>, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
> >> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
> >> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
> >> production of Hybrid Accords.
> >
> >The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
> >electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
> >that is probably on a good day.
> >
> >Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
> >made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
> >made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
> >
> >Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
> >by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
> >
> >Lynn
>
> I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
> a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
> think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
> go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.
>
> I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
> electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
> though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
> expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
> Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.

I agree with you. The woman is probably telling the truth. If people drive
an Hybrid or almost any car in a special way--they can get much better MPG
than most people get. I read an article that gave "tips" on how to get
better than average MPG in a Toyota Prius. It involved keeping an eye on
the speed and the special gauges in a Prius. It was my opinion that it
took all of the fun out of driving. It involved lots of WORK to get really
lots of MPG. I prefer driving without having to worry about those kinds of
things. Driving should be FUN--not work.
Jason

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In article <j8o842lop8iv7c9pttmhh14e6gl1qr5ie3@4ax.com>, Gordon McGrew
<RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:32:33 -0500, "Lynn McGuire" <nospam@nospam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
> >> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
> >> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
> >> production of Hybrid Accords.
> >
> >The Accord Hybrid is not a real hybrid. It is a V6 with a small
> >electric assist motor that can add 2 or 3 mpg at most. And
> >that is probably on a good day.
> >
> >Honda should have built this vehicle with the I4 motor and just
> >made it a bigger version of the Civic Hybrid. Instead, they
> >made an expensive hotrod (0 to 60 mph in 6 sec!).
> >
> >Real hybrids have electric motors that can drive the vehicles
> >by themselves and electric A/C, electric power steering.
> >
> >Lynn
>
> I agree that Honda missed the mark on the Accord Hybrid. It made for
> a fun car but not attractive to the mainstream Accord shopper. I
> think the 4 cyl outsells the V6 by 4 to 1 already. If they wanted to
> go the hybrid hotrod route, they should have done the RSX or Civic Si.
>
> I don't agree that a "real hybrid" has to be able to run off
> electricity alone. The Civic nearly matches the Prius in mpg even
> though it was not purpose built as a hybrid and it uses much less
> expensive batteries and motor. I know a woman who owns an Accord
> Hybrid and claims it gets about 38 mpg on the highway.

I agree with you. The woman is probably telling the truth. If people drive
an Hybrid or almost any car in a special way--they can get much better MPG
than most people get. I read an article that gave "tips" on how to get
better than average MPG in a Toyota Prius. It involved keeping an eye on
the speed and the special gauges in a Prius. It was my opinion that it
took all of the fun out of driving. It involved lots of WORK to get really
lots of MPG. I prefer driving without having to worry about those kinds of
things. Driving should be FUN--not work.
Jason

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I believe the hybrids are still only made in Japan so they probably don't
make much money on them even at extra high price. Also gas mileage rating
went down this year.


"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1704061203590001@66-52-22-98.lsan.pw-dia.impulse.net...
>
> I just heard a news report on the radio indicating that Honda Inc.
> indicated that they are not selling as many Hybrid Accords as
> they expected to sell. As a result, they will cut back on their
> production of Hybrid Accords.
>
> I believe there are two reasons:
>
> 1. Most people did not want to pay the extra costs related
> to buying a Hybrid Accord.
>
> 2. The Hybrid Accord does NOT look like a Hybrid car.
> Those people that want to impress their friends and Co-workers
> with a Hybrid vehicle would prefer the Toyota Prius since
> it looks like a Hybrid. I already know that there are other
> reasons that people prefer the Prius--such as the design
> of the car.
>
> What's your opinion on this subject?
> Jason
>
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