"JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote
<jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I suspect that your indicator will says time's up
>>somewhere between
>>5,000 and 10,000 miles. Personally I like to do the first
>>few oil
>>changes early in hopes of flushing out the high
>>concentrations and wear
>>metals found in new engines. With my TSX I did the first
>>two changes
>>when the oil indicator got down to 40% remaining life,
>>which happened at
>>around 3500 miles each time. Now I plan to go down to 10%
>>on the
>>indicator, but am using synthetic oil for a little extra
>>safety margin.
>> It looks like with my driving I will be doing oil
>> changes every 6-8k
>>miles.
>
> Thanks.
>
> It's a curious game, fun in some small, obscure way. Me,
> I'd prefer
> to see the algorithm and a daily readout of all
> parameters, if that's
> how it's going to work. But hey, I'm a geek.

You think it's geekiness, or more wanting to establish trust
in the design? The latter would be my interest. Still, at
present I would be very much inclined to trust the design,
based on my understanding of it.

 

I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
touch it either.


Elle wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote
> <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I suspect that your indicator will says time's up
> >>somewhere between
> >>5,000 and 10,000 miles. Personally I like to do the first
> >>few oil
> >>changes early in hopes of flushing out the high
> >>concentrations and wear
> >>metals found in new engines. With my TSX I did the first
> >>two changes
> >>when the oil indicator got down to 40% remaining life,
> >>which happened at
> >>around 3500 miles each time. Now I plan to go down to 10%
> >>on the
> >>indicator, but am using synthetic oil for a little extra
> >>safety margin.
> >> It looks like with my driving I will be doing oil
> >> changes every 6-8k
> >>miles.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > It's a curious game, fun in some small, obscure way. Me,
> > I'd prefer
> > to see the algorithm and a daily readout of all
> > parameters, if that's
> > how it's going to work. But hey, I'm a geek.
>
> You think it's geekiness, or more wanting to establish trust
> in the design? The latter would be my interest. Still, at
> present I would be very much inclined to trust the design,
> based on my understanding of it.

 

I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
touch it either.


Elle wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote
> <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I suspect that your indicator will says time's up
> >>somewhere between
> >>5,000 and 10,000 miles. Personally I like to do the first
> >>few oil
> >>changes early in hopes of flushing out the high
> >>concentrations and wear
> >>metals found in new engines. With my TSX I did the first
> >>two changes
> >>when the oil indicator got down to 40% remaining life,
> >>which happened at
> >>around 3500 miles each time. Now I plan to go down to 10%
> >>on the
> >>indicator, but am using synthetic oil for a little extra
> >>safety margin.
> >> It looks like with my driving I will be doing oil
> >> changes every 6-8k
> >>miles.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > It's a curious game, fun in some small, obscure way. Me,
> > I'd prefer
> > to see the algorithm and a daily readout of all
> > parameters, if that's
> > how it's going to work. But hey, I'm a geek.
>
> You think it's geekiness, or more wanting to establish trust
> in the design? The latter would be my interest. Still, at
> present I would be very much inclined to trust the design,
> based on my understanding of it.

 

I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
touch it either.


Elle wrote:
> "JXStern" <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote
> <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I suspect that your indicator will says time's up
> >>somewhere between
> >>5,000 and 10,000 miles. Personally I like to do the first
> >>few oil
> >>changes early in hopes of flushing out the high
> >>concentrations and wear
> >>metals found in new engines. With my TSX I did the first
> >>two changes
> >>when the oil indicator got down to 40% remaining life,
> >>which happened at
> >>around 3500 miles each time. Now I plan to go down to 10%
> >>on the
> >>indicator, but am using synthetic oil for a little extra
> >>safety margin.
> >> It looks like with my driving I will be doing oil
> >> changes every 6-8k
> >>miles.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > It's a curious game, fun in some small, obscure way. Me,
> > I'd prefer
> > to see the algorithm and a daily readout of all
> > parameters, if that's
> > how it's going to work. But hey, I'm a geek.
>
> You think it's geekiness, or more wanting to establish trust
> in the design? The latter would be my interest. Still, at
> present I would be very much inclined to trust the design,
> based on my understanding of it.

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>

Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
for stop and go driving.

The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
trashed by insufficient maintenance.

GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
gotten with the program.


John

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>

Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
for stop and go driving.

The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
trashed by insufficient maintenance.

GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
gotten with the program.


John

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>

Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
for stop and go driving.

The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
trashed by insufficient maintenance.

GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
gotten with the program.


John

 

John Horner wrote:
> tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
>> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
>> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
>> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
>> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
>> touch it either.
>>
>
> Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
> V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
> conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
> telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
> city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
> for stop and go driving.
>
> The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
> saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
> allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
> being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
> recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
> people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
> car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
> trashed by insufficient maintenance.
>
> GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
> companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
> gotten with the program.
>
>
> John
>
they may have adopted it, but i don't think they developed it. bmw have
had usage-based metering for a while and real-deal spark spectroscopy
has been on F1 vehicles for a number of years.

 

John Horner wrote:
> tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
>> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
>> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
>> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
>> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
>> touch it either.
>>
>
> Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
> V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
> conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
> telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
> city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
> for stop and go driving.
>
> The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
> saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
> allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
> being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
> recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
> people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
> car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
> trashed by insufficient maintenance.
>
> GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
> companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
> gotten with the program.
>
>
> John
>
they may have adopted it, but i don't think they developed it. bmw have
had usage-based metering for a while and real-deal spark spectroscopy
has been on F1 vehicles for a number of years.

 

John Horner wrote:
> tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
>> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
>> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
>> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
>> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
>> touch it either.
>>
>
> Sounds reasonable. The old simple minded Honda recommendation for the
> V-6 was 3,750 miles for "severe" conditions and 7,500 miles for "normal"
> conditions. The maintenance minder is able to do a much better job of
> telling where in that range your use has been. 4,700 miles of mostly
> city driving is closer to the severe schedule, which is quite reasonable
> for stop and go driving.
>
> The great thing about these new systems is that they should end up
> saving people money by extending service intervals when the conditions
> allow it. This also saves resources as still good engine oil isn't
> being turned into low grade burning fuel oil (which is where most
> recycled motor oil ends up) and it saves oil filters. On the flip side,
> people who would have ignored the service intervals now will have the
> car reminding them. Hopefully that will result in fewer vehicles being
> trashed by insufficient maintenance.
>
> GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large automotive
> companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also glad Honda has
> gotten with the program.
>
>
> John
>
they may have adopted it, but i don't think they developed it. bmw have
had usage-based metering for a while and real-deal spark spectroscopy
has been on F1 vehicles for a number of years.

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>
>

I don't understand -- your Honda dealer and the other place "refused"
to change your oil, inspite of the indicator and inspite of you asking
for it to be done? What was their reason? 4700 miles is plenty for 11
months of stop and go driving. It also fits the old time and mileage
rules, so there would be no reason to suspect an inaccuracy in the
indicator. What did the dealer actually recommend?

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>
>

I don't understand -- your Honda dealer and the other place "refused"
to change your oil, inspite of the indicator and inspite of you asking
for it to be done? What was their reason? 4700 miles is plenty for 11
months of stop and go driving. It also fits the old time and mileage
rules, so there would be no reason to suspect an inaccuracy in the
indicator. What did the dealer actually recommend?

 

tracylwatson@gmail.com wrote:
> I purchased the 2006 Accord V6 in Jan 2006 and the Oil Change indicator
> finally came on at 4700 miles after mostly city driving. I took it in
> before the maintenance reminder came on and the dealer wouldn't touch
> it. A quick drive by of the quick oil change places and they wouldn't
> touch it either.
>
>

I don't understand -- your Honda dealer and the other place "refused"
to change your oil, inspite of the indicator and inspite of you asking
for it to be done? What was their reason? 4700 miles is plenty for 11
months of stop and go driving. It also fits the old time and mileage
rules, so there would be no reason to suspect an inaccuracy in the
indicator. What did the dealer actually recommend?

 

jim beam wrote:
>>
>> GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large
>> automotive companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also
>> glad Honda has gotten with the program.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
> they may have adopted it, but i don't think they developed it. bmw have
> had usage-based metering for a while and real-deal spark spectroscopy
> has been on F1 vehicles for a number of years.

You are quite right that BMW was way ahead in this kind of technology.
GM was the first large scale manufacturer to push it out across a
mainstream product line. I think of BMW as being more of a niche
manufacturer, though with their growth in recent decades I probably need
to readjust my calibration.

John

 

jim beam wrote:
>>
>> GM deserves a lot of credit for being one of the first large
>> automotive companies to develop and push this technology. I'm also
>> glad Honda has gotten with the program.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
> they may have adopted it, but i don't think they developed it. bmw have
> had usage-based metering for a while and real-deal spark spectroscopy
> has been on F1 vehicles for a number of years.

You are quite right that BMW was way ahead in this kind of technology.
GM was the first large scale manufacturer to push it out across a
mainstream product line. I think of BMW as being more of a niche
manufacturer, though with their growth in recent decades I probably need
to readjust my calibration.

John