New 2008 Civic MPG
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>
> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
> miles
>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>
> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
> the last 10 years.
There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
near as good as the older, smaller civics...
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joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>
> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
> miles
>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>
> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
> the last 10 years.
There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
near as good as the older, smaller civics...
--
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joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
Joe wrote:
> On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>
>>> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>> miles
>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>> the last 10 years.
>
> There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
> heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
> about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
> drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
> bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
> near as good as the older, smaller civics...
>
>
>
i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
> On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>
>>> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>> miles
>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>> the last 10 years.
>
> There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
> heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
> about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
> drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
> bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
> near as good as the older, smaller civics...
>
>
>
i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
On 2008-05-12, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>
> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>
Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>
> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>
Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
Joe wrote:
> On 2008-05-12, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
>> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>>
>> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
>> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>>
>
> Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
> a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
> expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
> now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
> smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
> much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
>
>
modern engines are much more efficient than the 20+ year old ones - much
more sophisticated control and better design. those engines in
lightweight bodies with skinnier tires that old honda wishbone
suspension could utilize more effectively, and you have the potential
for great fuel economy. i've been considering an engine transplant
accordingly, but transplanting the accompanying electronics is decidedly
non-trivial.
> On 2008-05-12, jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> i drove to los angeles from sfo and back this weekend - 400 miles each
>> way. 40.3mpg trip average. 89 civic, 2,187lbs hatchback automatic.
>>
>> that was sticking to the speed limit - if i go faster, it drops, but
>> that's not bad for a 19 year old clunker.
>>
>
> Not bad at all. The old ones did a great job with fuel economy. It's
> a tough call. Americans seem to want bigger cars, and they absolutely
> expect the added safety equipment (6 airbags, crumple zones, etc), but
> now with the higher fuel prices we are seeing a heavy trend towards
> smaller cars. There have to be tradeoffs. It's just a matter of how
> much people are willing to give up to save some money at the pump...
>
>
modern engines are much more efficient than the 20+ year old ones - much
more sophisticated control and better design. those engines in
lightweight bodies with skinnier tires that old honda wishbone
suspension could utilize more effectively, and you have the potential
for great fuel economy. i've been considering an engine transplant
accordingly, but transplanting the accompanying electronics is decidedly
non-trivial.
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:49 -0500, Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com>
wrote:
>On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>
>> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>> miles
>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>>
>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>> the last 10 years.
>
>There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
>heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
>about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
>drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
>bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
>near as good as the older, smaller civics...
The sales brochure I just picked up at the dealer says the Si coupe
curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my
GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan?
wrote:
>On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>
>> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>> miles
>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>>
>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>> the last 10 years.
>
>There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
>heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
>about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
>drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
>bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
>near as good as the older, smaller civics...
The sales brochure I just picked up at the dealer says the Si coupe
curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my
GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan?
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
On 2008-05-12, Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:49 -0500, Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>>
>>> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>>> miles
>>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>>>
>>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>>> the last 10 years.
>>
>>There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
>>heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
>>about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
>>drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
>>bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
>>near as good as the older, smaller civics...
>
> The sales brochure I just picked up at the dealer says the Si coupe
> curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my
> GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan?
Working from memory and the registration sticker. Haven't checked it
recently, and my memory is not reliable enough for me to argue it with
you. Next time I go out I'll have to look again.
Of course, NY doesn't weigh them, so it could *still* be wrong...
;-)
--
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joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 20:45:49 -0500, Joe <joe@nospam.hits-buffalo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-05-11, Howard Lester <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>>> "Enrico Fermi" wrote
>>>
>>> > My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
>>> miles
>>>> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
>>>> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
>>>> commute over the last 5000 miles.
>>>
>>> This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
>>> town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
>>> smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
>>> commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
>>> I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
>>> described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
>>> the last 10 years.
>>
>>There was no way to avoid it. The civic now is a much larger and
>>heavier car than 10 years ago. My Si is over 3200 Pounds. I average
>>about 26 MPG in mixed driving, and about 32 straight highway. I don't
>>drive conservatively most of the time. The EX and lower should do a
>>bit better than that, with the smaller engines, but it still isn't
>>near as good as the older, smaller civics...
>
> The sales brochure I just picked up at the dealer says the Si coupe
> curb weight is 2886 pounds. Granted that is about 500 more than my
> GS-R, but not quite 3200. Is yours a sedan?
Working from memory and the registration sticker. Haven't checked it
recently, and my memory is not reliable enough for me to argue it with
you. Next time I go out I'll have to look again.
Of course, NY doesn't weigh them, so it could *still* be wrong...
;-)
--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X
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Re: New 2008 Civic MPG
Elmo/Larry in AZ - You guys should get your facts straight about the
smart -
Elmo - the smart has an automated manual transmission - so while you
are technically correct in that they don't offer an 'automatic'
transmission, the automated manual has an automatic shift mode.
Larry in AZ - the DO offer A/C, optional in the 'Pure' and standard in
the 'Passion'.
See - http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-passion.aspx
I do agree with the general sentiment regarding the smart, however. It
really needs a little more power to make sense - that may even help
the mileage a tad by making the engine work less hard. It also really
needs some storage space. But I have seen a few driving around, and I
smile every time I see one. ;-)
Dan D
'07 Ody EX (23 mpg highway, loaded, at 75 mph)
Central NJ USA
smart -
Elmo - the smart has an automated manual transmission - so while you
are technically correct in that they don't offer an 'automatic'
transmission, the automated manual has an automatic shift mode.
Larry in AZ - the DO offer A/C, optional in the 'Pure' and standard in
the 'Passion'.
See - http://www.smartusa.com/smart-fortwo-passion.aspx
I do agree with the general sentiment regarding the smart, however. It
really needs a little more power to make sense - that may even help
the mileage a tad by making the engine work less hard. It also really
needs some storage space. But I have seen a few driving around, and I
smile every time I see one. ;-)
Dan D
'07 Ody EX (23 mpg highway, loaded, at 75 mph)
Central NJ USA
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