Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> said:
>
>> My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who
>> bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived
>> until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly
>> becoming a safety issue.
>>
>> It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway.
>
> My first Honda was an AN600, bought new in 1971. $1,300 out-the-door, and
> one of the first 200 Honda cars ever imported into the USA.
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/larrythefrog/477777904/
>
> It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. ;-)

My dad's Pontiac Bonneville gets 70 mpg going downhill, according to the
computer display.

And it does well going uphill, if it being towed by a tow truck. ;-)

Jeff

 

In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:

> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is the
> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.

Mmmmm, I would doubt that.

 

In article <Xns9A9A78E9227F6thefrogprince@69.28.173.184>,
Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

> > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive scooter.
> > I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter and have the
> > garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine.
>
> They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90 degree
> temperatures here, they'd be useless.

Ah, I forgot.

Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.

Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.

 

> We are considering buying a 2008 civic. Could you please tell me the
> gas mileage you get for city driving? My wife drives mostly around
> town and is hoping for about 30 mpg. The sticker EPA Estimate reads
> 25, so I will probably get something else if that is all it gets. I
> was told the EPA estimates have changed and it will probably get
> better than that, but guess who told me that...yeah ...the salesman:-)

My wife's 2005 civic EX coupe with 5 speed gets 26-28 mpg
in town (she hotrods it) and 35+ on the road.

Lynn

 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> said:

> In article <Xns9A9A78E9227F6thefrogprince@69.28.173.184>,
> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>
>> > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive
>> > scooter. I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter
>> > and have the garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine.
>>
>> They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90
>> degree temperatures here, they'd be useless.
>
> Ah, I forgot.
>
> Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.
>
> Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.

Most people don't really need AC.

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

 

In article <Xns9A9A99EE13AD2thefrogprince@69.28.173.184>,
Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:

> > Ah, I forgot.
> >
> > Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.
> >
> > Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.
>
> Most people don't really need AC.

Virtually everyone needs AC. It's required to keep the windows free of
moisture during wet weather, even if that weather isn't hot.

 

Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> said:

> In article <Xns9A9A99EE13AD2thefrogprince@69.28.173.184>,
> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>
>> > Ah, I forgot.
>> >
>> > Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.
>> >
>> > Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.
>>
>> Most people don't really need AC.
>
> Virtually everyone needs AC. It's required to keep the windows free of
> moisture during wet weather, even if that weather isn't hot.

I've had several cars without AC, and the defroster blowing has usually been
good enough. I haven't lived in extremely humid areas, so that might make a
difference...

--
Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail

"A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
with all the privileges that this entails."

 

Show me one that is cleaner.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-8A4970.16174110052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
> In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:
>
>> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is
>> the
>> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
>
> Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
>

 

Actually, I called it smart way plus, The Honda Civic is actually smart way
elite & the only 48 state car in this class, the Prius (like many others) is
simply a smart way car with a rating of 8 vs the Hondas rating of 9.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/sbs.htm
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/Index.do

I could only go back to the 2000 Civic HX but its rating was 8 (same as
Prius) so there you go.

"Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote in message
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> Show me one that is cleaner.
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-8A4970.16174110052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com>,
>> "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:
>>
>>> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is
>>> the
>>> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
>>
>> Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
>>

 

In article <GaGdnSQksdoIzrvVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:

> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-8A4970.16174110052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com>,
> > "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:
> >
> >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which is
> >> the
> >> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
> >
> > Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
> >
> Show me one that is cleaner.

Well, I'm not sure what you mean by a "smartway plus car". Oh, I
see--the EPA has this rating they call "Smartway".

Well, according to the EPA and its Green Vehicle Guide, both the Civic
Hybrid and the Prius are rated Smartway Elite--but dig down and you'll
see that the Prius is a tad cleaner and uses less fuel. It's also
larger and has more luggage space.

 

Larry in AZ wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, Grumpy AuContraire
> <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> said:
>
>
>>My first Honda was a '76 Civic CVCC that I bought from a friend who
>>bought it new. It had 88K on the odometer when I got it and it survived
>>until it hit 160K a few years later in '87 when the rust was truly
>>becoming a safety issue.
>>
>>It got a solid 30mpg around town and could do about 35mpg on the highway.
>
>
> My first Honda was an AN600, bought new in 1971. $1,300 out-the-door, and
> one of the first 200 Honda cars ever imported into the USA.
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/larrythefrog/477777904/
>
> It got an easy 40mpg, closer to 50mpg downhill, with a strong tail wind. ;-)
>


Back in 1969, I was doing documentary film work in Micronesia and we
rented a small Honda for about six weeks when in Koror, (Palau). It had
no brakes but other than that, it ran flawlessly. Had a motorcycle air
cooled engine, (two cylinder).

I knew then that American automakers were going to have a challenged
future...

JT

 

Sorry, YOU may not need a/c, I do......I have 4 months of summer in the 80's
& 90's, 8 months of winter, spring & fall but I refuse to drive a
uncomfortable car, I use my a/c even when it is cold, it keeps ALL the
windows clear.
But I guess since it is the day for generalizations I can say, not everyone
needs a heater, after all, it is only below 10 here a couple months out of
the year.

"Larry in AZ" <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A9A99EE13AD2thefrogprince@69.28.173.184.. .
> Waiving the right to remain silent, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
> <elmop@nastydesigns.com> said:
>
>> In article <Xns9A9A78E9227F6thefrogprince@69.28.173.184>,
>> Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > So the smart fortwo, here in the US, is just a big, expensive
>>> > scooter. I guess if you have the cash for a spare two seat scooter
>>> > and have the garage space for an occasional toy, that's fine.
>>>
>>> They DO NOT offer air conditioners. During our 5 months of above 90
>>> degree temperatures here, they'd be useless.
>>
>> Ah, I forgot.
>>
>> Indeed. So you can have 33mpg with no AC, or 45mpg WITH AC.
>>
>> Fascinating. And yet, people still buy them.
>
> Most people don't really need AC.
>
> --
> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>
> "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
> with all the privileges that this entails."

 

In 8 states, there are a lot more states where the Prius is not as clean
with its 8 rating.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E4292B.22505510052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
> In article <GaGdnSQksdoIzrvVnZ2dnUVZ_v7inZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-8A4970.16174110052008@nntp9.usenetserver.com...
>> > In article <w-mdnUSnGY3qarjVnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@comcast.com>,
>> > "Justbob30" <NoThank@you.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> With the Civic hybrid, you are also gaining a smartway plus car which
>> >> is
>> >> the
>> >> cleanest car (I believe) on the road right now per the EPA.
>> >
>> > Mmmmm, I would doubt that.
>> >
>> Show me one that is cleaner.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what you mean by a "smartway plus car". Oh, I
> see--the EPA has this rating they call "Smartway".
>
> Well, according to the EPA and its Green Vehicle Guide, both the Civic
> Hybrid and the Prius are rated Smartway Elite--but dig down and you'll
> see that the Prius is a tad cleaner and uses less fuel. It's also
> larger and has more luggage space.
>

 

> Hi;
>
> We are considering buying a 2008 civic. Could you please tell me the
> gas mileage you get for city driving? My wife drives mostly around
> town and is hoping for about 30 mpg. The sticker EPA Estimate reads
> 25, so I will probably get something else if that is all it gets. I
> was told the EPA estimates have changed and it will probably get
> better than that, but guess who told me that...yeah ...the salesman:-)
>
> We are looking at the LX model with a 4 cylinder 1.8 engine.
>
> Thanks for any knowledge.
> Pat
My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35 miles
in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
commute over the last 5000 miles. She is a Ph.D. engineer and has good
credibility with data. My 2003 Civic Si 2.0 160 hp consistently gets 24 mpg
around town driven hard. I enjoy driving them both.

 

"Enrico Fermi" wrote

> My Wife has a 2008 Civic LX 1.8 with ~15,000 miles. Her commute is 35
miles
> in the country with few stoplights and an average 50 mph speed. She is a
> very conservative driver. She claims to be doing better than 33 mpg on her
> commute over the last 5000 miles.

This surprises me in a bad way. I had a '97 Civic EX (manual) and got 32 in
town, regularly. The commute over the 10 mile stretch has a fair amount of
smooth 40 mph stretches through about 15 stoplights. The 10 mile return
commute is much more stop and go. Still, I got 32. On the highway at 65 -75
I'd get about 38. If your wife's Civic is only getting 32 under the
described conditions, Civics' mileage appears to really have fallen off over
the last 10 years.