Need help with radio
08-19-2005 | 05:59 AM
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Re: Need help with radio
In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> for the service department if they have to
> disconnect the battery.
No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> for the service department if they have to
> disconnect the battery.
No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
08-19-2005 | 05:59 AM
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Re: Need help with radio
In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> for the service department if they have to
> disconnect the battery.
No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> for the service department if they have to
> disconnect the battery.
No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
08-20-2005 | 03:38 AM
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"" wrote
> In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> > the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> > security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> > for the service department if they have to
> > disconnect the battery.
>
> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They
> put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in
> the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual
Yes, I know this. I checked many sites, and lots of people said that
you can find your security code in the glove box\fuse box. I checked
all over the car, I mean, EVERYWERE. Its not there. Maybe the previous
owners took it out? :?: :?:
Anyways, its not there. I need to remove the radio to check the number
up there. Does anyone know how to do this? Or know any sites that will
give me step by step instructions on how to remove the radio? FREE?
Because i’v been looking for a while, but not having any luck. I did
tho, find a few sites that would give instructions for a small fee.
Thanks again.
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> In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> > the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> > security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> > for the service department if they have to
> > disconnect the battery.
>
> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They
> put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in
> the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual
Yes, I know this. I checked many sites, and lots of people said that
you can find your security code in the glove box\fuse box. I checked
all over the car, I mean, EVERYWERE. Its not there. Maybe the previous
owners took it out? :?: :?:
Anyways, its not there. I need to remove the radio to check the number
up there. Does anyone know how to do this? Or know any sites that will
give me step by step instructions on how to remove the radio? FREE?
Because i’v been looking for a while, but not having any luck. I did
tho, find a few sites that would give instructions for a small fee.
Thanks again.
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08-20-2005 | 03:38 AM
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"" wrote
> In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> > the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> > security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> > for the service department if they have to
> > disconnect the battery.
>
> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They
> put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in
> the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual
Yes, I know this. I checked many sites, and lots of people said that
you can find your security code in the glove box\fuse box. I checked
all over the car, I mean, EVERYWERE. Its not there. Maybe the previous
owners took it out? :?: :?:
Anyways, its not there. I need to remove the radio to check the number
up there. Does anyone know how to do this? Or know any sites that will
give me step by step instructions on how to remove the radio? FREE?
Because i’v been looking for a while, but not having any luck. I did
tho, find a few sites that would give instructions for a small fee.
Thanks again.
--
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> In article <DqfNe.1139$L03.689@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
> Brian Stell <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Some dealers put the security code sticker in
> > the glove box. Seems like a bad idea for
> > security (thieves can get it) but convenient
> > for the service department if they have to
> > disconnect the battery.
>
> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They
> put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in
> the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual
Yes, I know this. I checked many sites, and lots of people said that
you can find your security code in the glove box\fuse box. I checked
all over the car, I mean, EVERYWERE. Its not there. Maybe the previous
owners took it out? :?: :?:
Anyways, its not there. I need to remove the radio to check the number
up there. Does anyone know how to do this? Or know any sites that will
give me step by step instructions on how to remove the radio? FREE?
Because i’v been looking for a while, but not having any luck. I did
tho, find a few sites that would give instructions for a small fee.
Thanks again.
--
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08-20-2005 | 09:19 PM
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Re: Re: Need help with radio
"gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> "" wrote:
> > Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
> > <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
> >
> > > I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
> > died. I
> > > replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
> > The radio
> > > asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
> > one.
> > >
> > > I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
> > Can
> > > anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
> > factory
> > > radio. Thanks ahead
> >
> > Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
> >
> > --
> > Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
> >
> > The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
> > Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>
> I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>
Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
out a OWNERS MANUAL??
At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
access.
I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
under penalty of the law".
Andy
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"gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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> "" wrote:
> > Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
> > <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
> >
> > > I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
> > died. I
> > > replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
> > The radio
> > > asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
> > one.
> > >
> > > I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
> > Can
> > > anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
> > factory
> > > radio. Thanks ahead
> >
> > Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
> >
> > --
> > Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
> >
> > The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
> > Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>
> I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>
Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
out a OWNERS MANUAL??
At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
access.
I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
under penalty of the law".
Andy
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08-20-2005 | 10:05 PM
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Re: Need help with radio
In article <zEQNe.118807$5N3.10718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
> >
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Good point.
Maybe if enough people buy used cars and get hurt and successfully claim
that it was the result of no owner's manual...
"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
> >
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Good point.
Maybe if enough people buy used cars and get hurt and successfully claim
that it was the result of no owner's manual...
08-20-2005 | 10:05 PM
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Re: Need help with radio
In article <zEQNe.118807$5N3.10718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
> >
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Good point.
Maybe if enough people buy used cars and get hurt and successfully claim
that it was the result of no owner's manual...
"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
> >
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Good point.
Maybe if enough people buy used cars and get hurt and successfully claim
that it was the result of no owner's manual...
08-20-2005 | 11:04 PM
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> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
That would be a far smarter thing to do but the
security code for my radio was on a sticker
stuck to the inside of my glove box.
I am absolutely positive since I had to enter
it after the battery was disconnected when
working on the car.
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
That would be a far smarter thing to do but the
security code for my radio was on a sticker
stuck to the inside of my glove box.
I am absolutely positive since I had to enter
it after the battery was disconnected when
working on the car.
08-20-2005 | 11:04 PM
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Re: Need help with radio
> No, they don't put the security code in the glove box. They put the
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
That would be a far smarter thing to do but the
security code for my radio was on a sticker
stuck to the inside of my glove box.
I am absolutely positive since I had to enter
it after the battery was disconnected when
working on the car.
> serial number sticker, supplied with the car from Honda, in the glove
> box--per the instructions in the owner's manual.
That would be a far smarter thing to do but the
security code for my radio was on a sticker
stuck to the inside of my glove box.
I am absolutely positive since I had to enter
it after the battery was disconnected when
working on the car.
08-21-2005 | 11:49 AM
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"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Probably because it is easy to determine if there is an owner's manual when
buying the car, and safe operation of the car is the driver's
responsibility. Caveat emptor applies if the subject is obvious.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not
> remove under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
An interesting comparison! Of course, there the subject is hidden (the sort
of material the cushion is stuffed with) but the amount of importance seems
out of whack. Unfortunately, horse hair was a common stuffing when the
requirement was set and some people are deathly allergic to horse hair (my
son would have suffered a serious asthma attack if in the same room when he
was young).
Mike
news:zEQNe.118807$5N3.10718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Probably because it is easy to determine if there is an owner's manual when
buying the car, and safe operation of the car is the driver's
responsibility. Caveat emptor applies if the subject is obvious.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not
> remove under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
An interesting comparison! Of course, there the subject is hidden (the sort
of material the cushion is stuffed with) but the amount of importance seems
out of whack. Unfortunately, horse hair was a common stuffing when the
requirement was set and some people are deathly allergic to horse hair (my
son would have suffered a serious asthma attack if in the same room when he
was young).
Mike
08-21-2005 | 11:49 AM
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"Andy & Carol" <aforn@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:zEQNe.118807$5N3.10718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Probably because it is easy to determine if there is an owner's manual when
buying the car, and safe operation of the car is the driver's
responsibility. Caveat emptor applies if the subject is obvious.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not
> remove under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
An interesting comparison! Of course, there the subject is hidden (the sort
of material the cushion is stuffed with) but the amount of importance seems
out of whack. Unfortunately, horse hair was a common stuffing when the
requirement was set and some people are deathly allergic to horse hair (my
son would have suffered a serious asthma attack if in the same room when he
was young).
Mike
news:zEQNe.118807$5N3.10718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
Probably because it is easy to determine if there is an owner's manual when
buying the car, and safe operation of the car is the driver's
responsibility. Caveat emptor applies if the subject is obvious.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not
> remove under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
An interesting comparison! Of course, there the subject is hidden (the sort
of material the cushion is stuffed with) but the amount of importance seems
out of whack. Unfortunately, horse hair was a common stuffing when the
requirement was set and some people are deathly allergic to horse hair (my
son would have suffered a serious asthma attack if in the same room when he
was young).
Mike
08-21-2005 | 02:22 PM
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Re: Need help with radio
Andy & Carol wrote:
> "gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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>
>>"" wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
>>><UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
>>>
>>>died. I
>>>
>>>>replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
>>>
>>>The radio
>>>
>>>>asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
>>>
>>>one.
>>>
>>>>I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
>>>
>>>Can
>>>
>>>>anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
>>>
>>>factory
>>>
>>>>radio. Thanks ahead
>>>
>>>Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
>>>
>>>--
>>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>>
>>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>>> Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>>
>>I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>>
>
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> access.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
>
that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
read it.
> "gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
> news:1_652850_0ca688c10ab759081660bd0bc7b239d4@aut oforumz.com...
>
>>"" wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
>>><UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
>>>
>>>died. I
>>>
>>>>replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
>>>
>>>The radio
>>>
>>>>asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
>>>
>>>one.
>>>
>>>>I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
>>>
>>>Can
>>>
>>>>anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
>>>
>>>factory
>>>
>>>>radio. Thanks ahead
>>>
>>>Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
>>>
>>>--
>>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>>
>>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>>> Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>>
>>I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>>
>
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> access.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
>
that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
read it.
08-21-2005 | 02:22 PM
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Andy & Carol wrote:
> "gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
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>
>>"" wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
>>><UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
>>>
>>>died. I
>>>
>>>>replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
>>>
>>>The radio
>>>
>>>>asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
>>>
>>>one.
>>>
>>>>I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
>>>
>>>Can
>>>
>>>>anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
>>>
>>>factory
>>>
>>>>radio. Thanks ahead
>>>
>>>Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
>>>
>>>--
>>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>>
>>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>>> Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>>
>>I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>>
>
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> access.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
>
that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
read it.
> "gakor" <UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> wrote in message
> news:1_652850_0ca688c10ab759081660bd0bc7b239d4@aut oforumz.com...
>
>>"" wrote:
>>
>>>Waiving the right to remain silent, gakor
>>><UseLinkToEmail@AutoForumz.com> said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a Honda Odyssey, (not 2005 model), and my battery
>>>
>>>died. I
>>>
>>>>replaced it without a problem, but my radio doesn't work.
>>>
>>>The radio
>>>
>>>>asks for a security code, but my car dealers didn't give me
>>>
>>>one.
>>>
>>>>I need step-by-step instructions on how to remove the radio.
>>>
>>>Can
>>>
>>>>anyone help me with this? I bought the car used, and its a
>>>
>>>factory
>>>
>>>>radio. Thanks ahead
>>>
>>>Look in the owner's packet of stuff. It should be in there.
>>>
>>>--
>>> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>>>
>>> The United States is the greatest country in the world..!
>>> Eleven million illegal aliens can't be wrong.
>>
>>I bought the car used, so i didn't get the owners manual with it.
>>
>
> Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> access.
> I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> under penalty of the law".
> Andy
>
>
that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
read it.
08-21-2005 | 03:07 PM
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Re: Need help with radio
jim beam wrote:
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> > Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> > out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> > At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> > access.
> > I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> > under penalty of the law".
> > Andy
> >
> >
> that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
> read it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The 'OWNER'S MANUAL DISCLAIMER' is on the inside cover of ALL the Honda
manuals, and it says:
"This owner's manual should be considered a permanent part of the
vehicle, and should remain with the vehicle when it is sold"
Maybe Honda revamp the 'Check Engine' light, and just have an icon of an
open booklet, and the letters RTFM. Blinking. Cool.
'Curly'
<SNIP>
> > Why isn't there some sort of regulation that a used car cant be sold with
> > out a OWNERS MANUAL??
> > At least for safety reasons.... It should be mounted in such a way, for easy
> > access.
> > I bought a chair the other day..the cushion had a label on it "Do not remove
> > under penalty of the law".
> > Andy
> >
> >
> that "penalty of law" label applies to the retailer, not the consumer.
> read it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The 'OWNER'S MANUAL DISCLAIMER' is on the inside cover of ALL the Honda
manuals, and it says:
"This owner's manual should be considered a permanent part of the
vehicle, and should remain with the vehicle when it is sold"
Maybe Honda revamp the 'Check Engine' light, and just have an icon of an
open booklet, and the letters RTFM. Blinking. Cool.
'Curly'