Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
08-03-2005 | 10:25 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:09:21 -0700, "Al Franz"
<albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:
>Wrote a note in the newsgroups a few weeks ago about a pinging noise my
>Honda Accord V6 2001 was making when the engine was strained, going up a
>hill. Many gave me good advice and asked to let you know what I find out.
>
>The Honda dealer mechanic went out with us and this is what he said. He
>thought the noise was coming from the Hydraulic Lifters. He stated on a V4
>this can be adjusted but on the V6 they really don't have any problems and
>there really is no adjustment. We looked at the records and noticed 5-30
>motor oil as been used the last few times. So they recommended that we go
>to 5-20 as the manual states and they also recommended to use Chevron or
>Shell gas. Not sure why Honda put in 5-30 when 5-20 is recommended for this
Try filling up with 93 octain. I live in mountains and my Honda and
Toyota both knock when I use the low octain (no matter who I purchase
it from). That took care of mine.
TC
<albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:
>Wrote a note in the newsgroups a few weeks ago about a pinging noise my
>Honda Accord V6 2001 was making when the engine was strained, going up a
>hill. Many gave me good advice and asked to let you know what I find out.
>
>The Honda dealer mechanic went out with us and this is what he said. He
>thought the noise was coming from the Hydraulic Lifters. He stated on a V4
>this can be adjusted but on the V6 they really don't have any problems and
>there really is no adjustment. We looked at the records and noticed 5-30
>motor oil as been used the last few times. So they recommended that we go
>to 5-20 as the manual states and they also recommended to use Chevron or
>Shell gas. Not sure why Honda put in 5-30 when 5-20 is recommended for this
Try filling up with 93 octain. I live in mountains and my Honda and
Toyota both knock when I use the low octain (no matter who I purchase
it from). That took care of mine.
TC
08-03-2005 | 10:25 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:09:21 -0700, "Al Franz"
<albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:
>Wrote a note in the newsgroups a few weeks ago about a pinging noise my
>Honda Accord V6 2001 was making when the engine was strained, going up a
>hill. Many gave me good advice and asked to let you know what I find out.
>
>The Honda dealer mechanic went out with us and this is what he said. He
>thought the noise was coming from the Hydraulic Lifters. He stated on a V4
>this can be adjusted but on the V6 they really don't have any problems and
>there really is no adjustment. We looked at the records and noticed 5-30
>motor oil as been used the last few times. So they recommended that we go
>to 5-20 as the manual states and they also recommended to use Chevron or
>Shell gas. Not sure why Honda put in 5-30 when 5-20 is recommended for this
Try filling up with 93 octain. I live in mountains and my Honda and
Toyota both knock when I use the low octain (no matter who I purchase
it from). That took care of mine.
TC
<albert@nospam.netmation.com> wrote:
>Wrote a note in the newsgroups a few weeks ago about a pinging noise my
>Honda Accord V6 2001 was making when the engine was strained, going up a
>hill. Many gave me good advice and asked to let you know what I find out.
>
>The Honda dealer mechanic went out with us and this is what he said. He
>thought the noise was coming from the Hydraulic Lifters. He stated on a V4
>this can be adjusted but on the V6 they really don't have any problems and
>there really is no adjustment. We looked at the records and noticed 5-30
>motor oil as been used the last few times. So they recommended that we go
>to 5-20 as the manual states and they also recommended to use Chevron or
>Shell gas. Not sure why Honda put in 5-30 when 5-20 is recommended for this
Try filling up with 93 octain. I live in mountains and my Honda and
Toyota both knock when I use the low octain (no matter who I purchase
it from). That took care of mine.
TC
08-03-2005 | 12:29 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord
> V6, but if I did here's what I'd do: Next time you
> get gas, fill it with premium. If the knock is no
> longer there when climbing the grade you will know
> that the engine management module/knock sensor that
> controls the timing is not working properly and needs
> to be replaced.
I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
(unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
some really cheap stuff.
I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular
> gas.
Agreed. Or high octane!
> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will
> probably have to be more agressive and go up the
> Honda ladder past your local dealer's service manager.
The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
of things including using the brakes to simulate the
load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
They were going to look into it and get back to me but
that was a couple of months ago so ...
I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
other conditions.
> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord
> V6, but if I did here's what I'd do: Next time you
> get gas, fill it with premium. If the knock is no
> longer there when climbing the grade you will know
> that the engine management module/knock sensor that
> controls the timing is not working properly and needs
> to be replaced.
I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
(unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
some really cheap stuff.
I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular
> gas.
Agreed. Or high octane!
> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will
> probably have to be more agressive and go up the
> Honda ladder past your local dealer's service manager.
The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
of things including using the brakes to simulate the
load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
They were going to look into it and get back to me but
that was a couple of months ago so ...
I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
other conditions.
08-03-2005 | 12:29 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord
> V6, but if I did here's what I'd do: Next time you
> get gas, fill it with premium. If the knock is no
> longer there when climbing the grade you will know
> that the engine management module/knock sensor that
> controls the timing is not working properly and needs
> to be replaced.
I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
(unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
some really cheap stuff.
I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular
> gas.
Agreed. Or high octane!
> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will
> probably have to be more agressive and go up the
> Honda ladder past your local dealer's service manager.
The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
of things including using the brakes to simulate the
load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
They were going to look into it and get back to me but
that was a couple of months ago so ...
I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
other conditions.
> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord
> V6, but if I did here's what I'd do: Next time you
> get gas, fill it with premium. If the knock is no
> longer there when climbing the grade you will know
> that the engine management module/knock sensor that
> controls the timing is not working properly and needs
> to be replaced.
I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
(unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
some really cheap stuff.
I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular
> gas.
Agreed. Or high octane!
> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will
> probably have to be more agressive and go up the
> Honda ladder past your local dealer's service manager.
The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
of things including using the brakes to simulate the
load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
They were going to look into it and get back to me but
that was a couple of months ago so ...
I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
other conditions.
08-03-2005 | 01:55 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Although I'm not into car stuff as much as I used to be, I seem to
recall reading that the tendancy to knock/ping increases at higher
temperatures, whether ambient air or engine. But then I also recall
something like "a little(emphasis on little) knock that occurs under
high load conditions may be acceptable". Hope you get this solved.
Brian Stell wrote:
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If
>> the knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know
>> that the engine management module/knock sensor that controls the
>> timing is not working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have
>> to be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local
>> dealer's service manager.
>
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
recall reading that the tendancy to knock/ping increases at higher
temperatures, whether ambient air or engine. But then I also recall
something like "a little(emphasis on little) knock that occurs under
high load conditions may be acceptable". Hope you get this solved.
Brian Stell wrote:
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If
>> the knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know
>> that the engine management module/knock sensor that controls the
>> timing is not working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have
>> to be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local
>> dealer's service manager.
>
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
08-03-2005 | 01:55 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Although I'm not into car stuff as much as I used to be, I seem to
recall reading that the tendancy to knock/ping increases at higher
temperatures, whether ambient air or engine. But then I also recall
something like "a little(emphasis on little) knock that occurs under
high load conditions may be acceptable". Hope you get this solved.
Brian Stell wrote:
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If
>> the knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know
>> that the engine management module/knock sensor that controls the
>> timing is not working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have
>> to be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local
>> dealer's service manager.
>
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
recall reading that the tendancy to knock/ping increases at higher
temperatures, whether ambient air or engine. But then I also recall
something like "a little(emphasis on little) knock that occurs under
high load conditions may be acceptable". Hope you get this solved.
Brian Stell wrote:
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If
>> the knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know
>> that the engine management module/knock sensor that controls the
>> timing is not working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have
>> to be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local
>> dealer's service manager.
>
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
08-03-2005 | 03:29 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9i6Ie.9468$_%4.2090@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If the
>> knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know that the
>> engine management module/knock sensor that controls the timing is not
>> working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have to
>> be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local dealer's
>> service manager.
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9i6Ie.9468$_%4.2090@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If the
>> knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know that the
>> engine management module/knock sensor that controls the timing is not
>> working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have to
>> be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local dealer's
>> service manager.
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
08-03-2005 | 03:29 PM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9i6Ie.9468$_%4.2090@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If the
>> knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know that the
>> engine management module/knock sensor that controls the timing is not
>> working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have to
>> be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local dealer's
>> service manager.
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9i6Ie.9468$_%4.2090@newssvr14.news.prodigy.co m...
> Kenneth J. Harris wrote:
>> I don't have any knocking/pinging in my 2003 Accord V6, but if I did
>> here's what I'd do: Next time you get gas, fill it with premium. If the
>> knock is no longer there when climbing the grade you will know that the
>> engine management module/knock sensor that controls the timing is not
>> working properly and needs to be replaced.
>
> I've tried lots of different gasolines: from Techron
> Supreme & regular to Shell 91 & 87 to no-name regulars.
> The pre-ignition is least on the Techron Supreme
> (unfortunately I was trying to keep it from knocking so
> that is what the car had at the time I took it to the
> dealer :-( Next time I go to the dealer I will put in
> some really cheap stuff.
>
> I suspect the sensor/electronics are working but that
> there are conditions where it doesn't quite do enough.
>
>> Your car and mine should not knock when using regular gas.
>
> Agreed. Or high octane!
>
>> As far as getting the dealer to do something, you will probably have to
>> be more agressive and go up the Honda ladder past your local dealer's
>> service manager.
>
> The big problem is I have to figure out how to reliably
> reproduce the problem when the service tech is in the
> car. It does not occur 100% of the time. Like the original
> poster's car it only happens under certain conditions. So
> until I'm able to demonstrate it to them I doubt anyone
> will do much. At least they were polite and didn't openly
> say I was crazy. They even had a tech ride with me to
> see if I could reproduce the problem. I tried a variety
> of things including using the brakes to simulate the
> load from a hill but I could not get the car to knock
> when they were in it. It was when I mentioned the
> knocking tended to occur when climbing a grade that the
> service tech went from disbelief to thinking the problem
> might be real. That seemed to mean something to him.
> They were going to look into it and get back to me but
> that was a couple of months ago so ...
>
> I now am paying attention for the topography (hills)
> near Honda dealers :-) and I'm trying to detect if the
> knocking is affected by outside or engine temperature or
> other conditions.
08-04-2005 | 12:13 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Al Franz wrote:
> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
> hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
> windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
problem?
> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
> hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
> windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
problem?
08-04-2005 | 12:13 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Al Franz wrote:
> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
> hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
> windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
problem?
> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a big
> hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood, opening the
> windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating the problem.
I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
problem?
08-05-2005 | 12:46 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Your right I was unclear. Meant to say in the last sentence, "there was no
problem duplicating the problem".
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Al Franz wrote:
>> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a
>> big hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood,
>> opening the windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating
>> the problem.
>
> I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
> problem?
problem duplicating the problem".
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:tBgIe.1282$C11.233@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com ...
> Al Franz wrote:
>> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a
>> big hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood,
>> opening the windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating
>> the problem.
>
> I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
> problem?
08-05-2005 | 12:46 AM
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Re: Mechanic Answer on Honda V6 Pinging Noise Up Hill
Your right I was unclear. Meant to say in the last sentence, "there was no
problem duplicating the problem".
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:tBgIe.1282$C11.233@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com ...
> Al Franz wrote:
>> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a
>> big hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood,
>> opening the windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating
>> the problem.
>
> I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
> problem?
problem duplicating the problem".
"Brian Stell" <bstell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:tBgIe.1282$C11.233@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com ...
> Al Franz wrote:
>> I had problem duplicating the problem as well at first. But finding a
>> big hill and stopping the car on an incline in quiet neighborhood,
>> opening the windows, then slowly hit the gas, there was no duplicating
>> the problem.
>
> I'm unclear on what you are saying: did or did you not duplicate the
> problem?
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