Manual transaxle lubricant
11-08-2005 | 06:57 PM
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Re: Manual transaxle lubricant
"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
No.
11-08-2005 | 07:38 PM
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"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
protect the engine, and your gears.
Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in engines, so
they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc converters.
Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to Genuine
Honda MTL.
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news:1131492756.962987.317200@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com:
> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
protect the engine, and your gears.
Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in engines, so
they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc converters.
Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to Genuine
Honda MTL.
--
TeGGeR®
The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
11-08-2005 | 08:41 PM
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In my 1991 Civic, I have used the owner's manual recommended 10w-30 oil all
its life. However, there is a caveat to this. Some evidence on the net
indicates that the constituents of 10w-30 were changed in the last ten years
or so to improve its effectiveness as an engine oil, but also making it
deleterious to transmissions. The evidence is chatter, nothing
authoritative. Maybe there is an authoritative citation on the subject
somewhere, but I haven't seen it yet.
The best I turned up (with direction from another) was an Australia Honda
site,
http://www.honda.com.au/buying+a+honda/parts/ , which says: "Honda MTF Plus
Manual Transmission Fluid has been specifically formulated for use in all
Honda manual transmissions. MTF Plus is designed to provide smoother
shifting operation at all temperatures over the life of the fluid."
There are anecdotal reports of better shifting resulting from the Honda OEM
MTF.
I intend to use the Honda OEM MTF at the next change. I think it's worth a
gamble of only a few bucks more every few years, assuming the OEM stuff
can't make things worse than the 10w-30.
"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote
> 1997 Civic 5 speed.
its life. However, there is a caveat to this. Some evidence on the net
indicates that the constituents of 10w-30 were changed in the last ten years
or so to improve its effectiveness as an engine oil, but also making it
deleterious to transmissions. The evidence is chatter, nothing
authoritative. Maybe there is an authoritative citation on the subject
somewhere, but I haven't seen it yet.
The best I turned up (with direction from another) was an Australia Honda
site,
http://www.honda.com.au/buying+a+honda/parts/ , which says: "Honda MTF Plus
Manual Transmission Fluid has been specifically formulated for use in all
Honda manual transmissions. MTF Plus is designed to provide smoother
shifting operation at all temperatures over the life of the fluid."
There are anecdotal reports of better shifting resulting from the Honda OEM
MTF.
I intend to use the Honda OEM MTF at the next change. I think it's worth a
gamble of only a few bucks more every few years, assuming the OEM stuff
can't make things worse than the 10w-30.
"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote
> 1997 Civic 5 speed.
11-08-2005 | 10:42 PM
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Re: Manual transaxle lubricant
imola23 wrote:
> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
I would get manual transmission specific fluid, either from a Honda
dealer or Redline MTL (available at many better auto parts stores).
10W-30 MIGHT do in a crisis, but is not ideal. You don't need much, so
cost shouldn't be a big factor.
John
> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
I would get manual transmission specific fluid, either from a Honda
dealer or Redline MTL (available at many better auto parts stores).
10W-30 MIGHT do in a crisis, but is not ideal. You don't need much, so
cost shouldn't be a big factor.
John
11-08-2005 | 10:45 PM
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TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
> converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
>
> Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
> protect the engine, and your gears.
>
> Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
> additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in engines, so
> they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc converters.
>
> Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to Genuine
> Honda MTL.
>
TeGGer, any experience with Redline MTL? It is a full synthetic
designed for manual transmissions and also has a viscosity similar to
10W-30. Lots of people use it and report good results. I presently run
it in my classic Volvo which originally specified 10W-30 motor oil and
I love how the car shifts with the Redline stuff.
John
>
> Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
> converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
>
> Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
> protect the engine, and your gears.
>
> Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
> additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in engines, so
> they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc converters.
>
> Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to Genuine
> Honda MTL.
>
TeGGer, any experience with Redline MTL? It is a full synthetic
designed for manual transmissions and also has a viscosity similar to
10W-30. Lots of people use it and report good results. I presently run
it in my classic Volvo which originally specified 10W-30 motor oil and
I love how the car shifts with the Redline stuff.
John
11-09-2005 | 11:21 AM
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Transaxle Fluid and Motor are not even close to being the same!
Maybe it is best you not do any maintenance on the car. Your line of
thinking will get you in a LOT of trouble.
G-Man
"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
Maybe it is best you not do any maintenance on the car. Your line of
thinking will get you in a LOT of trouble.
G-Man
"imola23" <imola23@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> In the Haynes manual they reference Honda Manual Transmission Fluid
> (MTF) for replacement. Can I assume that an equivalent might be 10W 30
> motor oil?
>
11-09-2005 | 12:03 PM
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G-Man wrote:
> Transaxle Fluid and Motor are not even close to being the same!
>
> Maybe it is best you not do any maintenance on the car. Your line of
> thinking will get you in a LOT of trouble.
>
> G-Man
>
>
Although I agree that a real MTL is a better choice, using 10W-30 is not
the kind of unthinkable horror you seem to be saying it is.
In fact, for many years Honda specified 10W-30 motor oil for the manual
transmission. This has been a common recommendation by many
manufacturers for many years. For example, my 1972 Volvo also calls for
10W-30 in the manual transmission.
Early Honda cars actually shared the same oil circulation for the engine
and transmission and many motorcyles work that way as well.
That said, modern 10W-30 motor oils are not ideal for transmissions and
it is better to use the Honda MTL or a good aftermarket one like Redline
MTL.
John
> Transaxle Fluid and Motor are not even close to being the same!
>
> Maybe it is best you not do any maintenance on the car. Your line of
> thinking will get you in a LOT of trouble.
>
> G-Man
>
>
Although I agree that a real MTL is a better choice, using 10W-30 is not
the kind of unthinkable horror you seem to be saying it is.
In fact, for many years Honda specified 10W-30 motor oil for the manual
transmission. This has been a common recommendation by many
manufacturers for many years. For example, my 1972 Volvo also calls for
10W-30 in the manual transmission.
Early Honda cars actually shared the same oil circulation for the engine
and transmission and many motorcyles work that way as well.
That said, modern 10W-30 motor oils are not ideal for transmissions and
it is better to use the Honda MTL or a good aftermarket one like Redline
MTL.
John
11-09-2005 | 09:23 PM
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Re: Manual transaxle lubricant
John Horner <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>>
>> Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
>> converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
>>
>> Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
>> protect the engine, and your gears.
>>
>> Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
>> additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in
>> engines, so they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc
>> converters.
>>
>> Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to
>> Genuine Honda MTL.
>>
>
> TeGGer, any experience with Redline MTL?
Mista B0ne (who hasn't posted here in a while) has seen failures of the
bearings' plastic cages with use of Redline MTL. That's a catastrophic
failure.
I have no experience with it myself.
--
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news:Jhecf.8569$Bx.3035@trnddc01:
> TeGGeR® wrote:
>
>>
>> Not any more. In the interest of preventing damage to the catalytic
>> converter, oil makers have reduced the zinc content of motor oils.
>>
>> Unfortunately, this zinc is one of those things that was used to help
>> protect the engine, and your gears.
>>
>> Honda MTL is a similar viscosity to 10W-30, but is heavy in anti-wear
>> additives (which explains its stink). It's not meant for use in
>> engines, so they don't have to worry about $1,000 catalytinc
>> converters.
>>
>> Use the MTL. Tranny replacements are rather expensive compared to
>> Genuine Honda MTL.
>>
>
> TeGGer, any experience with Redline MTL?
Mista B0ne (who hasn't posted here in a while) has seen failures of the
bearings' plastic cages with use of Redline MTL. That's a catastrophic
failure.
I have no experience with it myself.
--
TeGGeR®
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11-10-2005 | 07:06 PM
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Re: Manual transaxle lubricant
TeGGeR® wrote:
>
> Mista B0ne (who hasn't posted here in a while) has seen failures of the
> bearings' plastic cages with use of Redline MTL. That's a catastrophic
> failure.
>
> I have no experience with it myself.
>
>
Well that is scarry! Plastics can certainly have unhappy interactions
with various lubcicants and coolants. Reason enough to stick with the
Honda fluid.
Older vehicles like my '72 Volvo have real honest metal cage bearing
assemblies. Plastic bearing cages, yuck!
John
>
> Mista B0ne (who hasn't posted here in a while) has seen failures of the
> bearings' plastic cages with use of Redline MTL. That's a catastrophic
> failure.
>
> I have no experience with it myself.
>
>
Well that is scarry! Plastics can certainly have unhappy interactions
with various lubcicants and coolants. Reason enough to stick with the
Honda fluid.
Older vehicles like my '72 Volvo have real honest metal cage bearing
assemblies. Plastic bearing cages, yuck!
John
11-10-2005 | 07:23 PM
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Re: Manual transaxle lubricant
"G-Man" <shoot.digital@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Transaxle Fluid and Motor are not even close to being the same!
My manual specifies 10W30 for my Honda.
Very pleased with the results with Royal Purple Sycromax.