"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
Others--
>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system?
>>> (Sorry;
>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>
>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It
>> isn't worth not doing,
>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>
> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>
> :-)

Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain
models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation.

Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint
repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
JT, I know you know what I mean.

Still smiling.

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
Others--
>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system?
>>> (Sorry;
>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>
>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It
>> isn't worth not doing,
>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>
> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>
> :-)

Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain
models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation.

Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint
repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
JT, I know you know what I mean.

Still smiling.

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in newsCl5i.9834
$296.699@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

>
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:f34oc8$8r2$1@aioe.org...
>> Elle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...

>>>>
>>>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>>>
>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>
>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't
>> worth not doing,
>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>
> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>
>


That's basically what my guy says too. It's not worth cheaping out on the
few extra bucks for the new water pump. I am also reminded that Honda water
pumps tend to be driven by the timing belt, so seizures can be very costly.

Some cars are different, such as our '99 Tercel (this is the one with the
60K belt interval). In that car the water pump is driven by a regular
accessory drive belt and is accessible without removing the timing belt. In
that case you can risk extending the pump change interval.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in newsCl5i.9834
$296.699@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net:

>
> "Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
> news:f34oc8$8r2$1@aioe.org...
>> Elle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...

>>>>
>>>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>>>
>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>
>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't
>> worth not doing,
>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>
> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>
>


That's basically what my guy says too. It's not worth cheaping out on the
few extra bucks for the new water pump. I am also reminded that Honda water
pumps tend to be driven by the timing belt, so seizures can be very costly.

Some cars are different, such as our '99 Tercel (this is the one with the
60K belt interval). In that car the water pump is driven by a regular
accessory drive belt and is accessible without removing the timing belt. In
that case you can risk extending the pump change interval.


--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>
>>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>news:qxk5i.14669
>>$j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>coolant is
>>>>>>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>>OEM
>>>>>>>fluid. IF...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>>
>>>>>This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>
>>>>>He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>>changes though. Too
>>>>>risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>>maintained
>>>>>properly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>>replacement interval,
>>>>not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>
>>>Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>>>(interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>
>
> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
> that's the main point to me.)
>
>

90K on the water pump on any vehicle is pushing the envelope to a
degree. On your (and others) car where the pump is driven by the timing
belt, this is even more important.

On the old tin that I drive, the water pump shares the same belt as the
alternator and is relatively easy to change but still is easier when the
timing belt is replaced.

JT

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>
>>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>news:qxk5i.14669
>>$j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>coolant is
>>>>>>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>>OEM
>>>>>>>fluid. IF...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>>
>>>>>This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>
>>>>>He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>>changes though. Too
>>>>>risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>>maintained
>>>>>properly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>>replacement interval,
>>>>not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>
>>>Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>>>(interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>
>
> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
> that's the main point to me.)
>
>

90K on the water pump on any vehicle is pushing the envelope to a
degree. On your (and others) car where the pump is driven by the timing
belt, this is even more important.

On the old tin that I drive, the water pump shares the same belt as the
alternator and is relatively easy to change but still is easier when the
timing belt is replaced.

JT

 

Tegger wrote:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@
> 207.14.116.130:
>
>
>>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
>>$3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>
>>>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>>>coolant is
>>>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>>fluid. IF...
>>>
>>>Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>
>>He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
>>risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval,
> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>


Just thought I'd jump in here with an update: the faxed receipts,
which I sincerely hope were real, showed the water pump being replaced
as well. I left a deposit on the car. It's got some minor cosmetic
flaws, but zero rust and it's only $3k. Wish me luck.

 

Tegger wrote:
> Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@
> 207.14.116.130:
>
>
>>"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
>>$3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>
>>>"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>
>>>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>>>coolant is
>>>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>>fluid. IF...
>>>
>>>Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>
>>He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
>>risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.
>>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval,
> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>


Just thought I'd jump in here with an update: the faxed receipts,
which I sincerely hope were real, showed the water pump being replaced
as well. I left a deposit on the car. It's got some minor cosmetic
flaws, but zero rust and it's only $3k. Wish me luck.

 

Elle wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
> Others--
>>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system?
>>>> (Sorry;
>>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It
>>> isn't worth not doing,
>>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
>> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain
> models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation.

did i say that? honda pumps are very high quality, and the 305K crx i
had i got cheap because the pump which had never been changed finally
gave out, but that's not "forever".

i'm happy to just use inspection on my own vehicles, but i can get in
there and do my own work. if you're paying someone else hundreds of
dollars to do the job, $45 for a pump is immaterial so you may as well
do it.

>
> Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint
> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>
> Still smiling.
>
>

 

Elle wrote:
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote
> Others--
>>>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system?
>>>> (Sorry;
>>>> that's the main point to me.)
>>> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It
>>> isn't worth not doing,
>>> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.
>> *&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
>> DIYers, I want Tegger's response.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Plus I recall Jim Beam posting something about how certain
> models' water pumps could go forever, in his estimation.

did i say that? honda pumps are very high quality, and the 305K crx i
had i got cheap because the pump which had never been changed finally
gave out, but that's not "forever".

i'm happy to just use inspection on my own vehicles, but i can get in
there and do my own work. if you're paying someone else hundreds of
dollars to do the job, $45 for a pump is immaterial so you may as well
do it.

>
> Do not lecture me about rolling the dice. My 91 Civic maint
> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>
> Still smiling.
>
>

 

Elle wrote:



snip



My 91 Civic maint
> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>
> Still smiling.
>
>


I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than yours!

How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on your ride?

<GGG>

JT

 

Elle wrote:



snip



My 91 Civic maint
> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>
> Still smiling.
>
>


I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than yours!

How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on your ride?

<GGG>

JT

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
message
news:2WF5i.47951$p47.5956@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Elle wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
>
>
> My 91 Civic maint
>> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
>> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>>
>> Still smiling.
>
>
> I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than
> yours!

Yes, no doubt. :-)

> How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on
> your ride?

I have not done the alternator myself yet. I bet I have to
place a jack strategically to get the necessary clearance,
per others' reports on Hondas c. 1991.

No AC on my 4-banger.

 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
message
news:2WF5i.47951$p47.5956@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Elle wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
>
>
> My 91 Civic maint
>> repair experiences are less a pain and more an adventure.
>> JT, I know you know what I mean.
>>
>> Still smiling.
>
>
> I'll betcha that my maintenance tasks are simpler than
> yours!

Yes, no doubt. :-)

> How much work to change the alternator/AC compressor on
> your ride?

I have not done the alternator myself yet. I bet I have to
place a jack strategically to get the necessary clearance,
per others' reports on Hondas c. 1991.

No AC on my 4-banger.