jim beam wrote:
> Elle wrote:
>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>
>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...
>>
>>
>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>
> honda don't specify a pump change, they specify inspection. based on my
> experience, a pump will last a good deal longer than a belt. the urban
> tradition of change is that of economics - for $45 extra bucks and
> you're already in there, why not?
>
> personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and
> experience to do the job myself.



My experience with older Honda Civics (Gen 1 & 2) is that a waterpump's
life span is about the same as a belt. In fact, I have had to cheat to
get one to last as long as a belt by squirting the shaft with motor oil
in ever increasing frequency. My record for water pump life extension
was about 7,000 miles and it was growling pretty good...

JT

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
$3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>> coolant is
>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>> fluid. IF...
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>
>


This is generally what my mechanic sees.

He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
$3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>> coolant is
>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>> fluid. IF...
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>
>


This is generally what my mechanic sees.

He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@
207.14.116.130:

> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
> $3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>> coolant is
>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>> fluid. IF...
>>
>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>
> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.
>



Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval,
not the max interval of 105K. My bad.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns993A8147BE528tegger@
207.14.116.130:

> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:7Da5i.18526
> $3P3.17332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>> coolant is
>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>> fluid. IF...
>>
>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>
> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two changes though. Too
> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained properly.
>



Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt replacement interval,
not the max interval of 105K. My bad.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>> the
>>>> coolant is
>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>
>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>
>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>> changes though. Too
>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained
>> properly.
>>
>
>
>
> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
> replacement interval,
> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.

Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
(interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>> the
>>>> coolant is
>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>
>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>
>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>> changes though. Too
>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained
>> properly.
>>
>
>
>
> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
> replacement interval,
> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.

Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
(interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:qxk5i.14669
$j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>> the
>>>>> coolant is
>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>
>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>
>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>> changes though. Too
>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained
>>> properly.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>> replacement interval,
>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>
> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>
>
>


Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in news:qxk5i.14669
$j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>> the
>>>>> coolant is
>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>
>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>
>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>> changes though. Too
>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is maintained
>>> properly.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>> replacement interval,
>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>
> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>
>
>


Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:qxk5i.14669
> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>
>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>
>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>> changes though. Too
>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>> maintained
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>> replacement interval,
>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>
>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.

Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
that's the main point to me.)

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:qxk5i.14669
> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>
>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>
>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>> changes though. Too
>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>> maintained
>>>> properly.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>> replacement interval,
>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>
>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.

Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
that's the main point to me.)

 

Elle wrote:

>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:qxk5i.14669
>> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>> changes though. Too
>>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>> maintained
>>>>> properly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>> replacement interval,
>>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>
>>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>
> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
> that's the main point to me.)

The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't worth not doing,
IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.

 

Elle wrote:

>
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:qxk5i.14669
>> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>
>>>
>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>
>>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>> changes though. Too
>>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>> maintained
>>>>> properly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>> replacement interval,
>>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>
>>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91 Civic
>>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>
> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
> that's the main point to me.)

The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't worth not doing,
IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.

 

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f34oc8$8r2$1@aioe.org...
> Elle wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> news:qxk5i.14669
>>> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>>> changes though. Too
>>>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>>> maintained
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>>> replacement interval,
>>>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>>
>>>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91
>>>> Civic
>>>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>>
>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
>> that's the main point to me.)
>
> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't
> worth not doing,
> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.

*&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
DIYers, I want Tegger's response.

:-)

 

"Joe LaVigne" <jlavigne@hits-buffalo.com> wrote in message
news:f34oc8$8r2$1@aioe.org...
> Elle wrote:
>
>>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
>> news:Xns993A9479E9F6tegger@207.14.116.130...
>>> "Elle" <honda.lioness@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote in
>>> news:qxk5i.14669
>>> $j63.9339@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>>>>>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> coolant is
>>>>>>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with
>>>>>>>> OEM
>>>>>>>> fluid. IF...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>>>>> This is generally what my mechanic sees.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He does NOT recommend actually leaving it in for two
>>>>>> changes though. Too
>>>>>> risky, since almost nobody's cooling system is
>>>>>> maintained
>>>>>> properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, this observation was based on a 60K-mile belt
>>>>> replacement interval,
>>>>> not the max interval of 105K. My bad.
>>>>
>>>> Pardon? So what's this mechanic's counsel for my 91
>>>> Civic
>>>> (interval of six years/90k miles on the timing belt)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Replace the pump every time you do the timing belt.
>>
>> Even w/perfect maintenance of the cooling system? (Sorry;
>> that's the main point to me.)
>
> The pump is a very inexpensive item. $50 or so. It isn't
> worth not doing,
> IMO, since it takes minimal extra effort or money.

*&^%$# This is repeated ad nauseam here. For the cheap
DIYers, I want Tegger's response.

:-)