"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
news:GV05i.24982$xu.3831@trndny07:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>
>>
>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>> the
>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Go here:
>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>> Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>> car. No login required.
>>
>> This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>> will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>
>> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>> this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>> well.
>>
>
> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...



"Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.

Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...

The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.

Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.

I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
when they're supposed to.

If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
your pump is still OK.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
news:GV05i.24982$xu.3831@trndny07:

> Tegger wrote:
>
>> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>
>>
>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>> the
>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Go here:
>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>> Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>> car. No login required.
>>
>> This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>> will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>
>> The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>> this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>> well.
>>
>
> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
> proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...



"Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.

Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...

The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.

Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.

I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
when they're supposed to.

If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
your pump is still OK.

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Tegger wrote:
> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:GV05i.24982$xu.3831@trndny07:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>>> the
>>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Go here:
>>>https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>>>Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>>>car. No login required.
>>>
>>>This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>>>will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>>
>>>The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>>>this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>>>well.
>>>
>>
>> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
>>proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...
>
>
>
>
> "Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
> it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.
>
> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...
>
> The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
> the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
> mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
> an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
> considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.
>
> Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
> my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
> which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.
>
> I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
> when they're supposed to.
>
> If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
> ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
> squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
> your pump is still OK.
>

Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more like
me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage is
over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still runs
fine...

 

Tegger wrote:
> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:GV05i.24982$xu.3831@trndny07:
>
>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
>>>news:ujU4i.24961$xu.19233@trndny07:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm interested in buying a '94 Civic EX sedan. I assume this is
>>>> the
>>>>125hp motor. What is Honda's schedule for replacing the timing belt
>>>>and water pump? Do dealers ever do just the belt? It was supposedly
>>>>serviced and the belt replaced at 94k, now has 140k on it, and I'm
>>>>not sure the water pump was ever changed. What would a Honda dealer
>>>>have done at 60k and 90k miles?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Go here:
>>>https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/logon.asp
>>>Choose "Owner's Manuals" from the menu at left, then navigate to your
>>>car. No login required.
>>>
>>>This will bring up the Owner's Manual for the '94 Civic. This manual
>>>will contain the maintenance schedule.
>>>
>>>The water pump should be replaced at the same time as the belt. If
>>>this is the car's second change, the tensioner should be replaced as
>>>well.
>>>
>>
>> I just checked that online manual, and unless the dealer was
>>proactive, the water pump was only "inspected," Great...
>
>
>
>
> "Inspected" would mean the mechanic spun the pulley by hand to see how
> it felt. You can tell if the pump's going bad just by doing that.
>
> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...
>
> The reason you change it every belt change is because you have to pull
> the timing belt off to get at it in the first place, so the labor is
> mostly the same. But, with a $60 part charge, $20 for coolant, and maybe
> an additional hour's labor ($180 total for the pump), there's
> considerable incentive for customers to skimp on the pump.
>
> Dealers will change just the pump if that's what you want, but it's been
> my experience that they will try to talk you into doing the pump too,
> which is a great idea, regardless of the perceived "ripoff" factor.
>
> I guess Honda assumes everybody will use Honda coolant and change it
> when they're supposed to.
>
> If you have no documented proof that the pump was changed, just keep an
> ear/eye on your engine, especially at startup. If there are no strange
> squealing noises, no coolant leaks on the ground at the timing belt end,
> your pump is still OK.
>

Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more like
me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage is
over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still runs
fine...

 

"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
news:fl45i.20545$Qz.2895@trndny09:


>>
>
> Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more
> like
> me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage
> is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still
> runs fine...
>


Then you've got five years on me. I bought my '91 Integra new as well.
It has almost 288,000 miles on it as of today.

I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000
miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far...

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
news:fl45i.20545$Qz.2895@trndny09:


>>
>
> Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more
> like
> me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage
> is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still
> runs fine...
>


Then you've got five years on me. I bought my '91 Integra new as well.
It has almost 288,000 miles on it as of today.

I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000
miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far...

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

 

Tegger wrote:
> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:fl45i.20545$Qz.2895@trndny09:
>
>
>
>> Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more
>> like
>>me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage
>>is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still
>>runs fine...
>>
>
>
>
> Then you've got five years on me. I bought my '91 Integra new as well.
> It has almost 288,000 miles on it as of today.
>
> I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000
> miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far...
>

I win on age, but you win on mileage. My Civic has only 146k on it.
I'm thinking of selling her now. Any interest out there?

 

Tegger wrote:
> "mjc13<REMOVETHIS>" <"mjc13<REMOVETHIS>"@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:fl45i.20545$Qz.2895@trndny09:
>
>
>
>> Yeah, that's the plan, but I sure wish other people were more
>> like
>>me. I have the oil seals done with the belt and pump, if the mileage
>>is over 100k. My '86 CIvic Si (bought new) is 22 years old and still
>>runs fine...
>>
>
>
>
> Then you've got five years on me. I bought my '91 Integra new as well.
> It has almost 288,000 miles on it as of today.
>
> I figure I'm sort of in competition with my long-dead Daddy. He got 140,000
> miles out of his '58 Dodge, and I've doubled that. So far...
>

I win on age, but you win on mileage. My Civic has only 146k on it.
I'm thinking of selling her now. Any interest out there?

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
> coolant is
> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
> fluid. IF...

Where'd you hear this or see it specified?

 

"Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
> coolant is
> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
> fluid. IF...

Where'd you hear this or see it specified?

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>
>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>coolant is
>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>fluid. IF...
>
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>

I think he's going by experience. That's a pretty common assumption
for more than one make. The only problem with it is that people who use
the specified coolant and change it regularly are the ones who usually
have the water pump changed with every timing belt. And, worse, vice versa.

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>
>>Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>>coolant is
>>changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>>fluid. IF...
>
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>

I think he's going by experience. That's a pretty common assumption
for more than one make. The only problem with it is that people who use
the specified coolant and change it regularly are the ones who usually
have the water pump changed with every timing belt. And, worse, vice versa.

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>> coolant is
>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>> fluid. IF...
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>
honda don't specify a pump change, they specify inspection. based on my
experience, a pump will last a good deal longer than a belt. the urban
tradition of change is that of economics - for $45 extra bucks and
you're already in there, why not?

personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and
experience to do the job myself.

 

Elle wrote:
> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the
>> coolant is
>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM
>> fluid. IF...
>
> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>
>
honda don't specify a pump change, they specify inspection. based on my
experience, a pump will last a good deal longer than a belt. the urban
tradition of change is that of economics - for $45 extra bucks and
you're already in there, why not?

personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and
experience to do the job myself.

 

jim beam wrote:
> Elle wrote:
>
>> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote
>>
>>> Truth be told, the pump will last two belt changes if the coolant is
>>> changed according to the severe schedule, and with OEM fluid. IF...
>>
>>
>> Where'd you hear this or see it specified?
>>
> honda don't specify a pump change, they specify inspection. based on my
> experience, a pump will last a good deal longer than a belt. the urban
> tradition of change is that of economics - for $45 extra bucks and
> you're already in there, why not?
>
> personally, i inspect if it's first change, but i have the tools and
> experience to do the job myself.



My experience with older Honda Civics (Gen 1 & 2) is that a waterpump's
life span is about the same as a belt. In fact, I have had to cheat to
get one to last as long as a belt by squirting the shaft with motor oil
in ever increasing frequency. My record for water pump life extension
was about 7,000 miles and it was growling pretty good...

JT