It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
introduced.
the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
introduced.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
"TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in message news:424652dd_2@news.tm.net.my...
> Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
> the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
> know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
> introduced.
>
>
What are you talking about???
Mike
> Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
> the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
> know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
> introduced.
>
>
What are you talking about???
Mike
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
"TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote in message news:424652dd_2@news.tm.net.my...
> Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
> the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
> know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
> introduced.
>
>
What are you talking about???
Mike
> Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
> the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
> know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
> introduced.
>
>
What are you talking about???
Mike
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:22:56 +0800, "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote:
>Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
>the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
>know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
>introduced.
It's official. You're an idiot.
Inability to comprehend common, informal English indicates low IQ or
perhaps unfamiliarity with the language. Either way, you shouldn't be
giving us English lessons.
No one else has a problem understanding the phrase, "It's official."
But then, no one else thinks that the electric clock is robbing their
car of performance.
>Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
>the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
>know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
>introduced.
It's official. You're an idiot.
Inability to comprehend common, informal English indicates low IQ or
perhaps unfamiliarity with the language. Either way, you shouldn't be
giving us English lessons.
No one else has a problem understanding the phrase, "It's official."
But then, no one else thinks that the electric clock is robbing their
car of performance.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:22:56 +0800, "TE Cheah" <no@spam.biz> wrote:
>Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
>the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
>know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
>introduced.
It's official. You're an idiot.
Inability to comprehend common, informal English indicates low IQ or
perhaps unfamiliarity with the language. Either way, you shouldn't be
giving us English lessons.
No one else has a problem understanding the phrase, "It's official."
But then, no one else thinks that the electric clock is robbing their
car of performance.
>Using a pronoun @ the start of a paragraph / sentence, before
>the subject matter is introduced, indicates low IQ ; nobody will
>know what the pronoun represents, before the subject matter is
>introduced.
It's official. You're an idiot.
Inability to comprehend common, informal English indicates low IQ or
perhaps unfamiliarity with the language. Either way, you shouldn't be
giving us English lessons.
No one else has a problem understanding the phrase, "It's official."
But then, no one else thinks that the electric clock is robbing their
car of performance.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
"Dave" <dm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com
wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
I doubt that IMA can return over 30% in fuel consumption. I recall, on
Edmund's Hybrid Forum, one of the Insight driver was operating without IMA.
He was still getting over 50mpg, without any electrical assist. The IMA
might return over 30% in optimum condition, but from normal driving, It's
probably more like 15%.
I think Honda's Hybrid system could be improved if the battary capacy was
improved and the car was allowed to charge-up overnight (or the IMA can be
user programmed to expect overnight charging). In this case the 30%
improvement could become a norm.
Honda's system does seem more cost effective when compared to more
complicated and expenive system. I'm looking forward to seeing the system on
more low priced entry level cars.
Hopefully, Honda will bring back the Insight (which is in it's last year of
production), but with a go-fast suspension system and a better IMA mated to
the 1.3L.
Pars
>
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
"Dave" <dm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com
wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
I doubt that IMA can return over 30% in fuel consumption. I recall, on
Edmund's Hybrid Forum, one of the Insight driver was operating without IMA.
He was still getting over 50mpg, without any electrical assist. The IMA
might return over 30% in optimum condition, but from normal driving, It's
probably more like 15%.
I think Honda's Hybrid system could be improved if the battary capacy was
improved and the car was allowed to charge-up overnight (or the IMA can be
user programmed to expect overnight charging). In this case the 30%
improvement could become a norm.
Honda's system does seem more cost effective when compared to more
complicated and expenive system. I'm looking forward to seeing the system on
more low priced entry level cars.
Hopefully, Honda will bring back the Insight (which is in it's last year of
production), but with a go-fast suspension system and a better IMA mated to
the 1.3L.
Pars
>
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
In article <hF21e.96152$vK5.62707@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
motor.
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
motor.
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
In article <hF21e.96152$vK5.62707@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
motor.
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
dm@nospam.com (Dave) wrote:
> In article <d22387$b83$1@blue.rahul.net>, dold@XReXXItXsX.usenet.us.com wrote:
>
> >I wonder what kind of mileage the civic would get if
> >it just had the 1300cc engine, and no IMA. It is very simple to
> >understand, and rather obvious in operation.
>
> Honda did report on this. I forget the exact numbers, but it is
> something like 1/3 due to the hybrid itself (regen, more efficient
> power management), 1/3 engine downsizing and advanced technology,
> and 1/3 lightweighting of the vehicle. Something like that.
But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
motor.
> >I don't understand the Escape very well yet.
>
> Same as Prius. See other posts.
>
> >I picture today's Escape as a Gas-Electric Hybrid, where the next
> >generation might be an Electric-Gas Hybrid.
>
> Definitely doable. But it all depends what you want out of a
> vehicle, and what you are willing to pay. Extended operation off
> the battery requires a bigger, higher energy capacity battery.
> The cost of the battery (and mass and volume) are pretty much
> directly proportional to that energy capacity.
>
> And if you want sustained performance, ex: climbing Baker Grade in
> california towing a trailer, you still need a lot of continuous
> capability.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> motor.
thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
> But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> motor.
thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> motor.
thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
> But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> motor.
thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
In article <1uOdnSJQxtSULNrfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> > electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> > switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> > activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> > motor.
>
> thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.
How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> > electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> > switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> > activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> > motor.
>
> thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.
How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
In article <1uOdnSJQxtSULNrfRVn-iQ@comcast.com>,
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> > electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> > switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> > activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> > motor.
>
> thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.
How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
SoCalMike <mikein562athotmail@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
> > electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
> > switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
> > activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
> > motor.
>
> thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.
How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
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Re: It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.
In article <mcmurtri-8ECFCE.21251027032005@corp-radius.supernews.com>, Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
>electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
>switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
>activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
>motor.
True, but note that the vast majority of the time (or at least on
the wimpy EPA certification cycles!) very little of that 240 hp is
actually used. To be sure, the Accord is a lot heavier and less
aerodynamic than the Insight. So it would benefit from a bigger
battery. But (as you no doubt know) the proportion of battery to
ICE size doesn't need stay the same as ICE power goes ballistic.
>But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
>electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
>switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
>activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
>motor.
True, but note that the vast majority of the time (or at least on
the wimpy EPA certification cycles!) very little of that 240 hp is
actually used. To be sure, the Accord is a lot heavier and less
aerodynamic than the Insight. So it would benefit from a bigger
battery. But (as you no doubt know) the proportion of battery to
ICE size doesn't need stay the same as ICE power goes ballistic.