On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>What is the point of this thread?
>>>
>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
>> think someone really cares....
>
>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
>potential buyers, at any rate.
>
>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
>
>RFT!!!
>Dave Kelsen

Hey Dave,

Tell me how you really feel....

That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.

 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What is the point of this thread?
>>>>
>>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
>>> think someone really cares....
>>
>>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
>>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
>>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
>>potential buyers, at any rate.
>>
>>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
>>
>>RFT!!!
>>Dave Kelsen
>
>Hey Dave,
>
>Tell me how you really feel....
>
>That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
>problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
>know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
>not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.

I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
start that it wouldn't be.

I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
deposit.

I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
outstanding problems.

I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What is the point of this thread?
>>>>
>>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
>>> think someone really cares....
>>
>>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
>>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
>>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
>>potential buyers, at any rate.
>>
>>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
>>
>>RFT!!!
>>Dave Kelsen
>
>Hey Dave,
>
>Tell me how you really feel....
>
>That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
>problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
>know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
>not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.

I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
start that it wouldn't be.

I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
deposit.

I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
outstanding problems.

I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

 

On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What is the point of this thread?
>>>>
>>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
>>> think someone really cares....
>>
>>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
>>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
>>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
>>potential buyers, at any rate.
>>
>>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
>>
>>RFT!!!
>>Dave Kelsen
>
>Hey Dave,
>
>Tell me how you really feel....
>
>That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
>problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
>know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
>not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.

I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
start that it wouldn't be.

I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
deposit.

I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
outstanding problems.

I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qcbuh2pk751ifrkr0jd1k4srnfk6a80r20@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.

When you spoke to Honda, did you let them know the dealershp took your
deposit? Curious if they ever followed up with the dealership to find out
why they never ordered one for you.

> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.

For the tail lights, did you check/change the seals/gaskets around the tail
lights?

> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

At least no car payments to worry about.

-Dave

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qcbuh2pk751ifrkr0jd1k4srnfk6a80r20@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.

When you spoke to Honda, did you let them know the dealershp took your
deposit? Curious if they ever followed up with the dealership to find out
why they never ordered one for you.

> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.

For the tail lights, did you check/change the seals/gaskets around the tail
lights?

> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

At least no car payments to worry about.

-Dave

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qcbuh2pk751ifrkr0jd1k4srnfk6a80r20@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.

When you spoke to Honda, did you let them know the dealershp took your
deposit? Curious if they ever followed up with the dealership to find out
why they never ordered one for you.

> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.

For the tail lights, did you check/change the seals/gaskets around the tail
lights?

> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

At least no car payments to worry about.

-Dave

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to
> ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord.

FWIW, I think this thread you started will be helpful to
others. Plus it most certainly is on topic. Keep 'em coming.

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to
> ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord.

FWIW, I think this thread you started will be helpful to
others. Plus it most certainly is on topic. Keep 'em coming.

 

"dgk" <sonice@zero-spam-hotmail.com> wrote
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to
> ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord.

FWIW, I think this thread you started will be helpful to
others. Plus it most certainly is on topic. Keep 'em coming.

 

dgk,

First off I want you to know, I am not condoning or defending such dealer
behavior, as you have experienced.

BUT:
ANYTIME you are trying to procure a "hot selling" car (or what ever), unless
you plan to pay a premium for it, your order will continue to slide down the
list. As long as someone with a better offer steps up before your time.

A personal anecdote: My aunt and uncle waited 120 days to pay MSRP on a 1980
Accord, and my cousin worked at the dealer.
Why did they wait so long? Because people were lined up around the block to
pay over MSRP.
Their "good guy" referral, from my cousin, got them the privilege of MSRP, but
they had to wait.

Supply and demand.... it's as simple as that.


dgk wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
> ><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What is the point of this thread?
> >>>>
> >>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
> >>> think someone really cares....
> >>
> >>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
> >>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
> >>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
> >>potential buyers, at any rate.
> >>
> >>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
> >>
> >>RFT!!!
> >>Dave Kelsen
> >
> >Hey Dave,
> >
> >Tell me how you really feel....
> >
> >That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
> >problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
> >know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
> >not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.
>
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.
>
> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.
>
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

--
Tp,

-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

dgk,

First off I want you to know, I am not condoning or defending such dealer
behavior, as you have experienced.

BUT:
ANYTIME you are trying to procure a "hot selling" car (or what ever), unless
you plan to pay a premium for it, your order will continue to slide down the
list. As long as someone with a better offer steps up before your time.

A personal anecdote: My aunt and uncle waited 120 days to pay MSRP on a 1980
Accord, and my cousin worked at the dealer.
Why did they wait so long? Because people were lined up around the block to
pay over MSRP.
Their "good guy" referral, from my cousin, got them the privilege of MSRP, but
they had to wait.

Supply and demand.... it's as simple as that.


dgk wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
> ><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What is the point of this thread?
> >>>>
> >>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
> >>> think someone really cares....
> >>
> >>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
> >>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
> >>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
> >>potential buyers, at any rate.
> >>
> >>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
> >>
> >>RFT!!!
> >>Dave Kelsen
> >
> >Hey Dave,
> >
> >Tell me how you really feel....
> >
> >That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
> >problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
> >know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
> >not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.
>
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.
>
> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.
>
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

--
Tp,

-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

dgk,

First off I want you to know, I am not condoning or defending such dealer
behavior, as you have experienced.

BUT:
ANYTIME you are trying to procure a "hot selling" car (or what ever), unless
you plan to pay a premium for it, your order will continue to slide down the
list. As long as someone with a better offer steps up before your time.

A personal anecdote: My aunt and uncle waited 120 days to pay MSRP on a 1980
Accord, and my cousin worked at the dealer.
Why did they wait so long? Because people were lined up around the block to
pay over MSRP.
Their "good guy" referral, from my cousin, got them the privilege of MSRP, but
they had to wait.

Supply and demand.... it's as simple as that.


dgk wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:27:59 GMT, Bob <anyhow@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 19:39:12 GMT, Dave Kelsen
> ><invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >>On 9/30/2006 2:08 PM Bob spake these words of knowledge:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 14:16:24 GMT, TomP <-roadcyc@socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>What is the point of this thread?
> >>>>
> >>> Just a forum for the original poster to whine and complain. Must
> >>> think someone really cares....
> >>
> >>What a noob! What a maroon! Imagine this chump thinking that anyone in
> >>a forum about for people who buy and use Honda automobiles would care
> >>how Honda automobile dealers are treating Honda automobile buyers - or
> >>potential buyers, at any rate.
> >>
> >>This guy is priceless! What a rube!
> >>
> >>RFT!!!
> >>Dave Kelsen
> >
> >Hey Dave,
> >
> >Tell me how you really feel....
> >
> >That aside, the OP has continually whimpered about his
> >problems...while only providing HIS perspective. Since you appear to
> >know the other side, please present it in a concise manner...and try
> >not to use seventh grade taunts. It should be interesting.
>
> I figured that I would explain what happened and see what other people
> had to say; hopefully someone else buying a Fit. My experience with
> car dealers is virtually nil since I tend to buy used cars. I'm not
> sure what OTHER perspective there might be; I ordered a car and put
> down a deposit, the car was never delivered. And I suspected from the
> start that it wouldn't be.
>
> I spoke to the general manager of the dealership; he apologized for
> failing to get the car, and my credit card has been credited for the
> deposit.
>
> I spent today at the junkyards in Willets Point, next to Shea Stadium,
> having a number of issues attended to on my old Accord. I still have a
> few, notably some sort of water leak in one of the tail lights, but
> except for that and maybe upgrading the radio, I've taken care of the
> outstanding problems.
>
> I think the next time I post to the newgroup it will be to ask
> questions about how to fix something on a 91 Accord. It looks like
> I'll be keeping it for a while longer. And I really do like the car.

--
Tp,

-------- __o
----- -\<. -------- __o
--- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<.
-------------------- ( )/ ( )
-----------------------------------------

No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron...

 

TomP wrote:
> dgk,
>
> First off I want you to know, I am not condoning or defending such dealer
> behavior, as you have experienced.
>
> BUT:
> ANYTIME you are trying to procure a "hot selling" car (or what ever), unless
> you plan to pay a premium for it, your order will continue to slide down the
> list. As long as someone with a better offer steps up before your time.
>
[snip]

Key phrase here is "before your time." When you contract to make a
purchase and the dealer to make a sale, it changes things. He paid his
money down, ordered "his" car and, when it arrived, the dealer
apparently turned around and sold it off to the highest and best bidder.
THAT is a problem.

If the dealership wants to maximize their profit, I have no problem with
that however the time to set the price is when the contract is signed.
If they didn't want to sell it for that price, they should not have
entered into the contract with the guy. Simply tell him: "You want the
FIT? It'll cost you $xx,xxxx."


> Supply and demand.... it's as simple as that.

Sure! On a sale right off the lot. Once you take my money you don't
change the rules of the game while the ball's in play. You may try but
it will cost you to do so.

 

TomP wrote:
> dgk,
>
> First off I want you to know, I am not condoning or defending such dealer
> behavior, as you have experienced.
>
> BUT:
> ANYTIME you are trying to procure a "hot selling" car (or what ever), unless
> you plan to pay a premium for it, your order will continue to slide down the
> list. As long as someone with a better offer steps up before your time.
>
[snip]

Key phrase here is "before your time." When you contract to make a
purchase and the dealer to make a sale, it changes things. He paid his
money down, ordered "his" car and, when it arrived, the dealer
apparently turned around and sold it off to the highest and best bidder.
THAT is a problem.

If the dealership wants to maximize their profit, I have no problem with
that however the time to set the price is when the contract is signed.
If they didn't want to sell it for that price, they should not have
entered into the contract with the guy. Simply tell him: "You want the
FIT? It'll cost you $xx,xxxx."


> Supply and demand.... it's as simple as that.

Sure! On a sale right off the lot. Once you take my money you don't
change the rules of the game while the ball's in play. You may try but
it will cost you to do so.